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On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 08:30 AM, <a.loopy.letter@...> wrote:

I hope someone can help because I don't like that being added.? Other people in the group use gmail without this issue.?

Not anymore. See??and also?/static/help#dmarc?

Hope this helps,
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On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 06:44 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

This badge reflects each member's subscription setting on email attachments, so that they aren't sent any emails containing huge attachments. This badge was recently added (among others) per discussions in beta (see ).

Folks -- Just a heads-up that I've added these new Advanced Email Preferences badges to an existing GMF wiki page.

See?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Status-Badges-in-the-Members-List?and scroll to the bottom.

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Hello

A few weeks ago I asked about why "Via Groups IO" was being added to my sender name and shows under from as "Loopy via Groups IO" when I send mail to my group.? Someone said it must have been my email provider that was doing that.? So I closed that email account (ZOHO) and opened a new account under GMAIL.
It was all fine until about 4 or 5 days ago and once again this started being added to my sender name which leads me to believe it isn't my email account but something to do with groups io.? I've had another? gmail account that I have used for years without that problem.

I hope someone can help because I don't like that being added.? Other people in the group use gmail without this issue.? Thank you in advance.

Loopy

Jim,

And maybe also include in the Wiki the gist of what you said above
about the switch from "need to invite" to "invitation received" is
automated and the rest after that is manual and takes time.

Done.

I had to use a screen-shot from an earlier transfer for this step, as I seem to have missed it in my most recent transfer. Possibly the screen has changed, particularly the wording of status text.

If anyone knows that it has please let me know, or better yet paste in an updated screenshot. Or send the screen shot to me off-list if you don't feel comfortable editing the Wiki page.

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You don't copy and paste, just click on the link in the email.? That should automatically log you in to that email address account.

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I am subscribed to a number of groups.io forums using my personal email accounts (Jim2_w6ivw@..., for example). I'm receiving dups, so need to unsubscribe from the appropriate account. However, I cannot log in to any of my groups.io forums.

I go to the Please Log in page, list my email address, then use "Email me a link" for a password.

I copy the link in the email, and paste it in the password field. I checked the email header to verify I'm looking at the proper email.

A message saying "Your email address or Password is incorrect" appears

I tried opening a new account, but I'm told "Your email address or password is already registered."

Suggestions?
Jim

Hi all,

This week's change log:



Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.

We seem to be resuming the trend of short change logs while Mark focuses on "working on the app and other stuff".


Comments about these are welcome:

INTERNAL: Moved from Grafana to Chronograf for metrics dashboards.
NEW: Added advanced subscription option badges to the Delivery column
in the Groups page. Also, did some reformatting.

Please call out any you find significant.

Shal


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On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 04:49 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

Interesting. I wouldn't have expected this behavior, the citation to
beta notwithstanding.

I didn't expect it, either.

I can see how it could be a desirable feature in plain-text only groups
that allow attachments; preserving the ability to have attached images
for members who can't attach them in their email interface (or have
difficulty controlling the way images are handled, or just forget).

I wonder now if it's possible to "effectively" strip embedded images by setting Plain Text Only in message formatting?in addition to disabling attachments. Not really an option for my groups, as we need the ability to attach documents (images? not so much), but maybe it would work. Haven't tested it.

> I have long wanted a group option that will strip /and discard/
> embedded images. If others agree, follow the first link above and give
> it a bump.

You could also pose it as the same control given to Attachments (Allow,
Bounce, Strip, and Moderate), I think for the same reasons.

I'm receptive to this, as long as the interactions with message formatting options and the attachments settings could be worked out and well-understood.?

My initial proposal was based on the notion that "simpler is better" and more likely to be implemented. But Mark has other fish to fry, and I've frankly just about given up on any feature of this nature ever landing on his radar screen, the occasional complaints that filter in about sig line images (and so on) notwithstanding.

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On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 06:21 PM, Anita L wrote:

I have a few members and myself as owner who have an A next to their names on the member list. It says this is an attachment limited.
How do I remove that and what is this? How did this get there?

This badge reflects each member's subscription setting on email attachments, so that they aren't sent any emails containing huge attachments. This badge was recently added (among others) per discussions in beta (see ).

You can change it, if it bothers you. Go to Admin>Members and open each member record. Now open the Advanced Preferences and examine the Max Attachment Size pull-down. If it is set to anything other than "Unlimited," this badge will show up. Change it as you wish and click the Save button.

While we're at it, you might also want to change the default subscription settings for your group. This default is used for all new subscriptions to your group....if a subscriber wants something else they have to change it manually. Go to Admin>Settings and click the "Default Sub Settings" button at the top of the page. Again, scroll down to Max Attachment Size and change it to Unlimited. This won't update the individual subscriber records that already have the limitation, you will still have to fix those per the previous paragraph. But it will keep any new subscribers from also displaying the badge, at least temporarily.

Please note that setting the Max Attachment Size?to something smaller than unlimited does NOT make the attachment inaccessible. The person will instead be sent a link to the attachment; they can click on that and (after logging in) still get it.

Something to keep in mind:? Some email providers (or intermediate mail servers) may refuse to forward messages that are too big. In such a case, it's better to limit the size of attachments than it is to have a provider bounce the message. There may also be a connect-time concern for those people who might still be using dial-up connections. Finally, some people using mobile devices may want to restrict the size of attachments so they don't run up against problems with data limits (i.e.: being forced to download files they really aren't interested in).

None of these concerns is nearly the problem that they once were, but please consider how your subscribers may feel about it if you choose to fiddle with their subscription settings.
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I have a few members and myself as owner who have an A next to their names on the member list. It says this is an attachment limited.
How do I remove that and what is this? How did this get there?

Thanks

Anita

Marvin,

So could mark put in a system, where spoofers, or a way, or a setting,
so if some one spoofs a message,it gets rejected ...

He's been working on tightening up inbound message processing to reject or drop spoofed messages. Turns out to be difficult to do that without also blocking some legit use cases, so he hasn't actually done this yet.

Some one hacked into my groups.io and gmail. Had to change password
and security.

If that's what happened that's not spoofing.

Someone else using your account is a different problem, and a much worse one, than a message pretending to be from your account when it isn't.

There's nothing that Mark can do about people getting into your Gmail account, and not a lot more he's likely to do about making it difficult for people to get into your Groups.io account.

Notably, if someone has gotten into your email account then your accounts at many services, possibly bank and other financial services, are likely vulnerable -- by way of password-reset commands or other identity changes operated through your email account.

The only good news is that spoofing is far more likely (common) than account takeover in impersonation cases such as you describe. The bad news is that there's not much defense against it in Groups.io (or Yahoo Groups, or most other list services) where your email address is your primary identifier.

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Once someone gets into your email or groups.io account, it must be assumed that you're the one posting.? There's no way to tell that it's not you.

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Bruce,

Just tested this in Shalstest ... and the embedded image was converted
to an attachment and forwarded as such in email.

Interesting. I wouldn't have expected this behavior, the citation to beta notwithstanding.

I can see how it could be a desirable feature in plain-text only groups that allow attachments; preserving the ability to have attached images for members who can't attach them in their email interface (or have difficulty controlling the way images are handled, or just forget).

I have long wanted a group option that will strip /and discard/
embedded images. If others agree, follow the first link above and give
it a bump.

You could also pose it as the same control given to Attachments (Allow, Bounce, Strip, and Moderate), I think for the same reasons.

I'm generally a fan of consistent interfaces (having similar things work the same way), when it makes sense. Sometimes that makes them easier to implement and document as well.

Shal



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Beth,

I have some members who want to be notified when photos are added to
albums (like files). I can't find a way to do that currently, ...

There isn't.

This would clearly be desired for moderators (I also want notice of Wiki additions and changes, for example). But even members might want to be able to be notified about activity in parts of the site other than just Messages.

The topic (for both mods and members) has been collectively referred to as the "notification overhaul" in beta. It has been long wanted and a long time coming. It couldn't hurt to have a few more people mention that it is desired and how they would use it.




more than you wanted to know:


So, yeah, on the radar reaching back three and a half years. It seems to be one of Mark's near-Sisyphean tasks.

I nudge him from time to time about it, but I'm not really disappointed - I know there's a huge amount amount on his plate, from the details to the huge, and he's got to prioritize the things that build Premium and Enterprise groups.

Shal


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On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 01:27 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:

<<<I have long wanted a group option that will strip?and discard?embedded images. If others agree, follow the first link above and give it a bump.>>>

seems that would be a problem with posting via email from a iPhone it iPad the way it’s nearly impossible (or not possible at all?) to attach rather than embed a file??

Ken -- I'm talking about a group setting option. If you don't want it, don't use it.

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<<<I have long wanted a group option that will strip?and discard?embedded images. If others agree, follow the first link above and give it a bump.>>>

seems that would be a problem with posting via email from a iPhone it iPad the way it’s nearly impossible (or not possible at all?) to attach rather than embed a file??

On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 08:06 AM, Lena wrote:

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 08:24 PM, Duane wrote:

If it's an embedded photo, there's no setting to automatically remove it.?

Plain Text Only.

Sorry, but that doesn't work either. See

Just tested this in Shalstest (), and?the embedded image was converted to an attachment and forwarded as such in email. The offending image also appeared in the online message archive and in the Emailed Photos folder, even though the group was set to Plain Text Only at the time.?

I have long wanted a group option that will strip and discard embedded images. If others agree, follow the first link above and give it a bump.

Regards,
Bruce?
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The option of notifying moderators when photos (and files) are uploaded has been mentioned on the beta group, but I don't recall seeing mention of having the option for members.? You may want to post about it over there so that Mark will see it.? Please mention that it should be an OPTION so there isn't too much discussion (hopefully ;>) about whether it should be added or not.

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I have some members who want to be notified when photos are added to albums (like files).? I can't find a way to do that currently, but I though I would ask.
Thanks
Beth