Ilene,

She doesn't use Incredimail and her address is AOL
How does my email show up. I have gmail but I use Incredimail.

No CC field on your messages in GMF, if that's what you're asking.

Oh, did you say that you're receiving two copies of such messages?

You should take such a pair, and analyze the headers of both, now that you know how.

Likely one will show that it passed through Groups.io, while the other will show that it arrived directly at your Gmail. If that's true then it is conclusive evidence that the CC is occurring at the member's email service, not at Groups.io.

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Steve,

Besides disallowing all attachments, is there a way to filter and
delete specific files, perhaps by filename?

There's no feature like that.

You could moderate all messages, or just that member, and delete the attachments from the messages as they arrive in Pending; but that isn't a practical approach in all groups.

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Samuel,

I created a group today and I'm testing it. However, when I send a
subscription mail (+subscribe) from another e-mail address, I (the
moderator) don't get a notification, ... and the "pending" members
page shows nothing pending.

Neither of those would happen until the sender replies to a confirmation email sent to him/her by Groups.io.

... I (the sender) don't get any feedback, ...

You ought to have. Be sure to check your spam folder or anywhere else that your email service may have redirected the confirmation request. For example:

Subject: Confirm Your Groups.io Subscription
From: Groups.io <shalstest+[redacted]@groups.io>

You should have received a similar email, but naming your group rather than my test group. I redacted some identification numbers.

Does this mean groups.io has finally stopped, ...

How dramatically apocalyptic. :-\

or does it mean that my group takes a while to be activated, or what?

As Duane said, new groups do need to be approved. I know that your group won't send out any emails to members until it is approved, but I don't happen to know if the +subscribe email command is also disabled.

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This message contains a 55MB attachment. I don't expect you to let it go through on moderation...but the fact remains, if this group was not moderated the message would go right on through and be forwarded to every member of the group.

Please consider this when responding to Pedja.

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On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 06:18 PM, Pedja wrote:

Moderation is not practical. It just slows down everything. We want to let people freely exchange attachments as long as attachments as those are usualz documents that are supposed to be sent to all members.

This option has been requested before (see??). It hasn't been brought up in awhile, but with that massive photo attachment that Mark had to address, it seems to me that the time is ripe to revisit this. *My* main concern stems from the possibility that people will someday start posting videos. So for what it's worth, I agree with you; and if you eventually make a feature request back in beta I will certainly give it a bump.

I suggest that initially this would be set up to simply reject (send back) messages that exceed the group's limit, and that this limit be chosen from a pick list (like photo size currently is). We can certainly get more elaborate than this if we want to, but the more complicated we make it the less likely it is to be implemented. For the same reason, let's try to reach something approaching a consensus before taking this back to Mark.
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That is what I thought it to be too. Bur I received my copy in my personal email?? right away though because I BCC'd myself. So I am thinking the delay was getting it over to Groups IO ? I am waiting for Duane to write back to me to let me know what he says about it. ? ? Thanks, Ilene ? ? ? ? ?

Ilene,

If I am reading it right - it was a Google hold up and a 3 hour delay

As I read it the 3 hour delay was detected at the receipt by Google. Which may mean that IncrediMail (or your email application) took that long to send it on to Google. Or it could mean that Google wasn't available for three hours, but that seems much less likely to me.

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Well I did get an answer from one of the members I wrote to. She doesn't use Incredimail and her address is?AOL? How does my email show up. I have gmail but I use Incredimail. ? Here are her answers below. She was the only one who answered me so far. I guess it would be good to see if there is a pattern. Ilene ? Hello , I will answer what questions I can. 1) are you starting a new email - NO 2) are you forwarding mail from another group - YES, MAIL FROM OTHER GROUPS, BOTH GOOGLE AND YAHOO GROUPS. 3) are you using?yahoo?when you send in your mail or are you using Incredimail? I ONLY USE YAHOO MAIL, I DO NOT HAVE INCREDIMAIL. 4) do you use the name of the group that comes up?in your contacts? NO. I COPY AND PASTE THE GROUP ADDRESS FROM A TEXT FILE SO THERE ARE NO MISTAKES. <[email protected]> 5) Do you use auto complete? NO, BECAUSE IT DOES NOT ALWAYS WORK. SO I COPY AND PASTE THE ADDRESS INTO THE "TO" SPACE IN THE EMAIL. ? ? ? ? ?

Ilene,

Another thing I did notice was *Via Groups IO* gets attached to their
name in the From Field
You use gmail and it shows in the from field just your name.

That's Groups.io's work-around for "the DMARC problem" at work.

If IncrediMail has a way to show you the full from address (including the email address, not just the display name) you'll find that those members' messages are

From: displayname <username@...>

It is the fact that the actual From address ends with @groups.io rather than the member's actual domain (yahoo.com) that causes the phrase "Via groups.io" to be displayed by Incredimail (and many other services).

Why this address munging is necessary for some email services is a bit of a long sad story. Search GMF for "DMARC" and you'll likely find more than you wanted to know.

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Janie,

Very unimpressed. Who runs IO???

I read elsewhere that your invitation has been accepted; so finally good news.

But to address your question:

Near the beginning of the month I asked Mark Fletcher (who runs Groups.io) about transfer times. He said then that they were running about a week behind, and he tries not to let it get much more than that.

He also reported that Yahoo had changed their CAPTCHA system and that is making it much easier for him to accept invitations. He was planning to cut the backlog down that day (9/4).

And the above is EXACTLY what I have done, yet six weeks out the first
failed acceptance of my invite, and nearing three weeks after my
second attempt, I sit with no acceptance of the invite.

So I suspect that something you did in the last few days got your transfer into the queue, where before it had not been.

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All of the groups are REPLY TO SENDER I?wrote a whole bunch of emails to the?AOL?and Yahoo email users and asked the questions you?wanted to know. ? Another thing I did notice was Via Groups IO gets attached to their name in the From Field You use gmail and it shows in the from field just your name. The AOL and Yahoo users, they have the via groups IO after the name. So if you were using a yahoo email address for instance it would say: Shal Farley via Groups IO ? I will get back to you when I get answers?from the members I wrote to. ? Ilene ? ? ?

On 22.09.2018 22:44, Duane wrote:

In your group settings, you could set the Attachments option under Message Formatting to Moderated.? Then you could see how large they are before approving them.

Moderation is not practical. It just slows down everything. We want to let people freely exchange attachments as long as attachments as those are usualz documents that are supposed to be sent to all members.

We have problems only if attachments are too large. We simply do not want members to be able to send such emails at all.

On my groups, I set the Default Sub Settings for attachments to 0 (all attachments are sent as links in emails.)? If someone wants to receive the actual attachments, they can change it to whatever size they're comfortable with.? That won't do anything for existing members, only new ones.? If you don't have too many existing members, you could change it for each of them in their Advanced Preferences.? Otherwise you could post instructions on your group and hopefully most would change it, if needed.

Well, with lists with several hundred members that is hardly solution.

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In your group settings, you could set the Attachments option under Message Formatting to Moderated.? Then you could see how large they are before approving them.

On my groups, I set the Default Sub Settings for attachments to 0 (all attachments are sent as links in emails.)? If someone wants to receive the actual attachments, they can change it to whatever size they're comfortable with.? That won't do anything for existing members, only new ones.? If you don't have too many existing members, you could change it for each of them in their Advanced Preferences.? Otherwise you could post instructions on your group and hopefully most would change it, if needed.

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Paige,

I have subscribed to my groups calendar from my Cozi calendar app and
only half of the events are showing up in the feed. Do you know why
some events are visible and others are not?

I haven't used Cozi, but I did test subscribing my groups calendar from my Gmail calendar. I was puzzled by some missing events but found that they appeared later. It seems that Gmail waits several hours or a day between updates from the group calendar. Maybe something similar happens with Cozi.

(The subscription mechanism requires the subscriber to periodically check for updates, updates are not "pushed" from the subscribed calendar).

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Sharon,

“[email address] [PublishingDC]" <PublishingDC@...>

The address above was for the person who first posted the message. It
remained on the replies so everyone thought the first person was
author of them all.

Yup. That's a problem with how Yahoo Groups handled the DMARC problem Yahoo Mail and AOL created. Groups.io does it right (keeps the actual email address unique per member).

"[email protected] Calendar" <[email protected]>

At some point I received a message from this list that included
“Calendar”. Now all responses go to that address. I have to go through
my previous recipients and remove them from the list.

How do we protest this? Any chance of a change?

I think your email interface must have picked up the display name from that message and stored it away in your address book as the "name" for GMF's posting address. So now that's what it shows you for our address.

Change your email interface settings, or protest to whoever provides your email interface (your service, your mobile device vendor, etc.).

Disable the setting that automatically stores received email addresses in your contact list. It is safer to automatically store only addresses you send to (those are more likely to be right, once you've cleared the bogus entries out of your address book).

And/or change your interface settings so that you are shown the actual email address, not just the "display name" or the address book entry name.

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When You set limit on incoming mail, that means message would be bounced and sender would be informed that his message is too large (that actually happens on each classical mail server, when someone tries to send too big email).

Limiting incoming mail keeps resources for everyone, including members and groups.io.

Simply said, there is always reasonable message size that is accepted, or rephrased, there is always message size that is considered ridiculously big and unacceptable.

Each user of groups.io service should pay attention on resources he uses, whether he uses free or paid service. Free service provides quite limited space so each unnecessary big attachment is important. Those paying should especially require option to prevent someone sending ridiculously big emails and spending payed resources.

Actually, this is the first time in my quite a long history of administering mail lists that I met situation I cannot set limit size of messages coming to the list.

If we relay on outgoing limits, then that means that if user did not set limit for messages sent to him, he will suffer each time someone sends ridiculously big attachments. That requires all members of the group to manually set those limits.

And we should not forget that number of group member are not knowledgeable in mailing and mail lists, they need thing to be kept safe and simple with not too much efforts.

After all having such option does not hurt. Ones who needs it will get it. Ones who do not need it should not use it.

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I?know my groups the reply is set to the sender. The other groups I am in I will have to check to see if that is the case. It can easily be done. ? They are ALL?NEW messages and not a reply or forward. ? Yes, it is only happening with AOL or Yahoo email addresses. ? I will ask those members how they put in the address of the group. That will take me some time as I need to write to them and wait their response. I would imagine that they use the addresses from their address book. How is that different from auto complete? ? Thanks for looking into this. I will get back to you as soon as I can. ? Ilene ? ? ? ?

Pedja,

I had issue that one user sent via group message containing large
number of photos attached. That was of course relayed to all member of
the group.

After I reported that issue I was instructed that there is actually no
way to prevent this as groups.io does not have option to reject too
large messages, or too large attachments, and that I should start
discussion here and i there is interest that may be included in TODO
list.

The first question I wonder about is why you want to limit this at the group level?

Each member has a control in their subscription page (advanced section) that allows that member to set a size limit, above which attachments will be passed to him/her as links for download, rather than attached to the email message. The purpose of that control is to aid members who may have metered, slow, or otherwise limited mail access.

Having the control at the subscriber level makes sense to me, since some subscribers may have very high performance connections and they might well prefer to receive the attachments as attachments; rather than be forced to download them from the site.

But that leads to a second question. I'm not certain whether the subscriber limit applies per attachment, or to the total message size. The wording suggests that it applies per attachment; if so it wouldn't solve the problem of a multitude of moderate sized attachments.

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I had issue that one user sent via group message containing large number of photos attached. That was of course relayed to all member of the group.

After I reported that issue I was instructed that there is actually no way to prevent this as groups.io does not have option to reject too large messages, or too large attachments, and that I should start discussion here and i there is interest that may be included in TODO list.

So I am asking for people who had similar issue or that would like to support such request to reply and express that support.

Even plain mail servers do have limitations of size of email they receive, mail list servers should have it too.

There is an option to set automatic resizing of photos but that does not resolve problem. Resizing does not help if large number of attachments is sent. Other than that it is not good to reduce photo quality if it is not necessary. Also automatic resizing to lower resolution may render image unusable.