Re: Reply to an email integration mail #bug #reply-to-group

#11835

Thierry,

Here is the headerof the mail as it has been sent. And nowhere there
id the oddball address

...

Now, here is the header of the received mail, where we can see the
oddball email address (hilighted bellow) :

...That's great evidence.

Particularly interesting is the outbound To address:
To: Rirethy via Email Integration <[email protected]@%!s(MISSING)>It seems like it should have stopped at "groups.io" and then it would have (correctly) been your group's posting address. The extra "@%!s(MISSING)" looks a little bit like a fragment of coding that somehow leaked through, perhaps a string substitution gone wrong.

I think you should take the headers and explanation you've given here and send it to [email protected] as a bug report. Or if more convenient, send the link to your post to support, along with a step-by-step explanation of how you set up the integration and tested it.
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/11831

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Re: Files button inactive

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On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Marge in MN wrote:

If it is a problem of too many photos or whatever taking up space, I do not know how to fix it!

Take a look at /g/GroupManagersForum/message/10797

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Re: Files button inactive

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Hello Marilyn,
I have had the same problem concerning the file button to try to upload files and/or documents.? I also sent the "powers that be" a contact message a couple of months ago -- all to no avail!? If it is a problem of too many photos or whatever taking up space, I do not know how to fix it!? Also, I have not received any extra? charges from Groups.io.
Marge in MN

Re: Re-posting messages #announcement

#11832

The known details are at .? If you discover others, there may be members that would appreciate an update here.

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Re: Reply to an email integration mail #bug #reply-to-group

thierry laporte

#11831

Thanks for your answer.

See answers below

Le?sam. 15 sept. 2018 à?21:13, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> a écrit?:

thierry,

?> If I make a "reply all" to that mail I've receive, It fills the
?> recipients of that reply.

What does it put in the To (or CC) fields? You might expect it to be
your non-subscriber address (the one that sent the message) plus the
group's posting address.

In the To field, I have 2 addresses :

[email protected]

Which is the email address of my list

Rirethy via Email Integration <"[email protected]"@%!s >

Where rirethy is the name of my list. It is not at all the email address of my non-subscriber

But Reply All is one of those features which operates somewhat
differently at different email interfaces.

I have exactly the same behaviour using Gmail webmail, or thunderbird under win10

?> And, It adds an mail address as recipient that ends with :
?> "groups.io@%!s". Obviously it"s an non valid email address.

Can you examine the header of the message you received? Of interest are
the From, To, CC, List-Id, and Reply-To fields. Maybe also Sender, if
there is one. These are the fields normally used, in some fashion, by an
email interface's Reply and Reply All functions.

If that oddball address is in one of those fields, then we'd also want
to look at the header fields of the message as you sent it (from your
non-subscriber address). Your email interface for that address may let
you see a copy of what it thinks it sent, but it would be better to send
another message to the integration address, and this time CC yourself
directly (at an address where you can examine the received message's
header).

Comparing those two sets of fields (on the way in to Groups.io, and on
the way out from it) will likely reveal the origin of the oddball address.

Here is the headerof the mail as it has been sent. And nowhere there id the oddball address

Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 10:54:49 +0200 (CEST)
From: thierry.laporte@...
To: [email protected]
Message-ID: <956322516.2670569.1537088089338.JavaMail.zimbra@...>
Subject: Test for integration mail
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 
	boundary="----=_Part_2670568_1268972239.1537088089337"
X-Originating-IP: [xxx.xxx.13.211]
X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.0.6_GA_5922 (ZimbraWebClient - FF62 (Win)/La Poste)
Thread-Topic: Test for integration mail
Thread-Index: 3/PAPXmVUDUNRT+9U2q2qM74eUXx7A==

Now, here is the header of the received mail, where we can see the oddball email address (hilighted bellow) :

Delivered-To: thierry.laporte@...
Received: by 2002:a17:906:3405:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id c5-v6csp2655420ejb;
        Sun, 16 Sep 2018 01:54:57 -0700 (PDT)
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdajDs57Msxy4X/tI5Y82laFWtYcTONJNCV20bKY7itYMu46iLKcnXLmNHZjrgpmLEK2zvV6
X-Received: by 2002:a62:9cd7:: with SMTP id u84-v6mr20770204pfk.90.1537088097495;
        Sun, 16 Sep 2018 01:54:57 -0700 (PDT)
Return-Path: <[email protected]>
Received: from  (. [66.175.222.12])
        by  with ESMTPS id v70-v6si12729268pfa.103.2018.09.16.01.54.57
        for <thierry.laporte@...>
        (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128);
        Sun, 16 Sep 2018 01:54:57 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: from  ( [xxx.xxx.213.175])
 by  with SMTP; Sun, 16 Sep 2018 01:54:55 -0700
X-Received: from  (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by lpn-prd-vrout004 (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62EE5617F88
	for <[email protected]>; Sun, 16 Sep 2018 10:54:53 +0200 (CEST)
X-Received: from  (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by lpn-prd-vrout004 (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4879E617DB9
	for <[email protected]>; Sun, 16 Sep 2018 10:54:53 +0200 (CEST)
X-Received: from lpn-prd-mstr075.lxxxe 
	by lpn-prd-vrout004 (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A39617F91
	for <[email protected]>; Sun, 16 Sep 2018 10:54:49 +0200 (CEST)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 10:54:49 +0200 (CEST)
From: " via Groups.Io" <thierry.laporte=[email protected]>
To: Rirethy via Email Integration <[email protected]@%!s(MISSING)>
Message-ID: <956322516.2670569.1537088089338.JavaMail.zimbra@...>
Subject: [rirethy] Test for integration mail #SyndicTest
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Originating-IP: [xxx.xxx.13.211]
Thread-Topic: Test for integration mail

Thanks again for your help.

Thierry Laporte

Shal

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Re-posting messages #announcement

#11830

Not a week goes by that I don't "discover" something new re groups.io features, etc.

I see in the settings there are various configurations for allowing members to "repost" messages.

Could someone briefly explain to me, exactly how a member can repost a message? I will admit (guilty!) I'm sorta curious for myself, as it would come in handy to repost various announcements that I make from time to time as a moderator, without copying and pasting and creating a new message.

Thanks.

Links to older pages with group name change #groupname

#11829

Hi

Linda and I are thinking of changing our group name and had a question or two.?

Will links to older messages automatically find the new URL??And similarly, links to the home page?

Any other suggestions or cautionary notes?

Thanks.?
Frances

Re: Managing main group

#11828

Thanks everyone for the suggestions.? You've given me a lot to ponder. We currently have 2 Yahoo groups setup..one that for newsletters and announcements that only the Moderator can post, and one for discussions.? Of the 500 or so members in our club, less than half are in the discussion group, and almost all are in the announcements group.? And there is yet a 3rd Yahoo groups reserved for the board of directors (15 members).? My hope is to consolidate all three into one groups.io group, so it seems like John Russel's approach is best--?

1.? Setup the Main group for announcements and newsletters and configure it so that only the moderator can post to it.
2.? Setup a General Discussion group as a subgroup of the Main group and let members subscribe to that as they wish
3.? Setup a Board of Directors group with membership limited to the Board
4.? Encourage people to use hashtags to follow specific threads so they don't get overloaded in the general discussion group and setup a small number of very focused subgroups (like Buy-Sell-Trade) that members can self-subscribe.

Re: Files button inactive

#11827

On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 08:04 PM, Marilyn McClain wrote:

This was exactly the problem that I had and THANK YOU for sharing your
experience. I logged in with the wrong email and all went bonkers. It
==   ==
Glad to be able to offer you some help, Marilyn, but I myself wouldn't have known anything about this without that both Bruce and Shal pointed out the liklihood that I was signing in with the wrong email address when it first happened to me.

GMF is a great resource for Mods like ourselves helping out other Mods on Groups.io.

A lot of things which happen to newbee Mods seem pretty much incomprehensible at first.  It's good to have others who can help us newbees get on the right track.

BTW – It really does get easier as you go along here, Marilyn.

Cheers!

Paul M.
==

Groups.io site updates #changelog

#11826

Hi all,

This week's change log:


Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.


NEW: When direct adding people to a parent group and subgroups, only
  send out one direct add notification to each member.This happened hours too late for my recent batch of PTA members. Still, glad to have less confusion on that front. Now, if I'd only remembered to uncheck the Active box for the default Welcome notice of that subgroup ...

This is why one should always pre-flight a Direct Add (or Invite) using a spare email address that is not already a member. I know that, but got in a rush and forgot to do it.


CHANGE: Added text to banner that is displayed when invites or direct
  adds need to be approved to hopefully explain things better.Thanks Toby and Jim for suggesting this.


BUGFIX: Pending subscriptions older than two weeks were not being
  deleted.Thanks debbie for reporting this.


Comments about these others are also welcome:

NEW: Add the group subject tag to the subject of private replies.
INTERNAL: Added support for postgresql integer arrays.
INTERNAL: Upgraded the postgresql go package.
BUGFIX: There was a bug in the subgroup display page when categories
  are set up that could cause groups in the same category to not be
  displayed together.
CHANGE: On the pending message page, display the 'Ban Sender' even for
  existing members.
BUGFIX: For some reason, Google lost our geocode API key, which
 prevented the database map view from working. Had to recreate the
 key.
CHANGE: When rejecting a pending subscription by email, ignore the
 request if the subscription is not, in fact, pending (ie it's been
 approved already).
NEW: New group setting, Viruses, to set whether messages with viruses
  are blocked or moderated.
API: New group field: HandleVirus
CHANGE: Do not log a change in user or display name in the activity
  log of any group the user is banned from.
CHANGE: In activity log, change "Rejected message" to "Message
  rejected".Please call out any you find significant.

Shal


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Re: From gmail address requires approval each time? #moderation #messages

#11825

Dave,

Hi, I have a small group which includes 2 gmail users.  Each time
either send and email to the group it comes to me for Approval.  Both
are listed as override, no approval needed.The override only overrides the Moderated checkbox in the Spam Control section of the group's Settings page. All of the other conditions listed in the other thread still apply:
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/11774

There's nothing specific about gmail users as relates to message moderation. My suspicion in your case is that those two users aren't actually sending from their subscribed email address, and so the moderation of non-subscribers applies.

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Re: About Invitations

#11824

Ilene,

I entered their email address in lowercase letters.
Now when their email shows up in the membership list it is all caps.Possibly Groups.io takes the email address on their acceptance of the invitation as the authoritative spelling (capitalization) of their address, rather than what you sent in the invitation. That's just a guess though.

Shal


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Re: Number of Groups.io Members

#11823

Duane,

Been awhile since the last update.  New member this morning is number
3099376, latest visible group is number 87873,099,376 users in 8,787 groups - Impressive.

In a few days (9/23) we should help Mark celebrate the fourth anniversary of announcing Groups.io to the public.


Shal


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Re: #hashtags #bug Lots of messages "need approval" #hashtags #bug

#11822

Thanks Barb!

... you might check your Attachments setting (in Message Formatting).Added to my list (edited message).

Andy,

I ran through your complete list. However, none of those things apply
in our case.Including Barb's additional reason?

I firmly believe there will be a reason each of those messages ended up in Pending. It might not be the same for all of them, but each will have at least one reason.

If we havn't listed it here yet it might be time to cite one of those messages to [email protected] to find out the reason. I've also made a request that each pending message should show its specific reason.

Let us know if you learn anything.

Shal

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Re: Files button inactive

Marilyn McClain

#11821

This was exactly the problem that I had and THANK YOU for sharing your experience. I logged in with the wrong email and all went bonkers. It is now fixed since I knew where to look. Much grateful.

On Saturday, September 15, 2018, 12:43:27 PM CDT, Epicatt2 <stanhopi@...> wrote:

On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 11:13 AM, Duane wrote:

> If you're not seeing the Admin option, there are several possible reasons:
> 1. You're not a moderator/owner.
> 2. You're not logged in at all.
> 3. You're not logged in with your owner/moderator account.
>
Hello Marilyn,

I had something like you are describing happen to me early onright? after I'd set up my own Gorups.io group . . .? I suddenly one day no longer had any access to the Admin functions on that group.

What had happened is that I had logged in with my Owner account email and then got an unsubscribed message.? Then when I went and logged back in that's when the Admin button went missing.

What it turned out to be was that I had logged back in to my own group using a different email –which I had used when I'd joined it (as a member). that alternate email was one I'd used to also join a completely different IO group–? and so when I tried logging into my own group I inadvertently used the wrong email address.

That possibility was pointed out to me by one for the GMF members on here and when I finally checked that is exactly what I had done.

So then when I logged in again usng the correct email address for my own group, voilà!– there was the Admin button and all my access was available to me again.

So your problem could likely be something so simple as that.

Cheers & Good Luck!

Paul M.
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Re: Managing main group

#11820

Spencer,

One problem we had with our yahoo groups is that all discussion
threads ended up one large group, and there was no good way to ignore
threads that you were not interested in.As Duane and Toby mentioned, Groups.io has better tools for members to ignore uninteresting threads, or follow only certain threads. That's described in the Help page sections that Duane cited. This can often replace or reduce the need for the rigid partitioning available using the subgroups feature.

I want to setup the new groups.io group so that everyone is
automatically subscribed to an ANNOUNCEMENTS and a NEWSLETTER group,There's no feature to have a member automatically subscribed to any subgroups.

What I would suggest is that you make the primary group contain both announcements and newsletters, since you want everyone to automatically start with those, and then use #newsletter and #announcement as hashtags to mark those kinds of messages. That will allow members to mute either if they no longer wish to receive that type.

but they are free to ignore all other groups such as GENERAL
DISCUSSION, EQUIPMENT, BUY-TRADE, etc.You could make the primary group also the place for general discussion - that would be all topics not hashtagged as either #newsletter or #announcement - but that would only be advantageous if you think most (or nearly all) members would want to receive general discussion topics. As John said that's seems more typical of how Groups.io groups are run.

For the other categories of messages you can choose between rigidly separating them into a subgroup (Buy-Trade seems like it may be a good candidate for that) or marked by a hashtag. There are plus and minuses to either choice, and neither choice wholly eliminates the problem of members posting to the wrong subgroup or using the wrong hashtag (or failing to use the right one).

How can I keep everyone from posting to MAIN as a default?  We will
have some subscribers who are only interested in seeing announcements
and the newsletter and won't care about anything else, ...If only a small minority of subscribers have such a narrow desire you can put the onus on them to set up their subscription that way: they should use the advanced preferences to select Following Only and then follow only #newsletter and #announcement.

If you think that there will be more than a few who feel that way you could go ahead and make General Discussion a subgroup. Then in the primary group's Settings, Spam Control section, you can put a check in the "Announcement Group" box so that only moderators may post into the primary group, and it is used only for announcements and newsletters.

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Re: #UserName #username

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Thanks, Shal! That's good to know. I'll lay low and see what transpires.

Alex

On 15 Sep 2018 at 12:27, Shal Farley wrote:

> Alex,

>

>? > So if it's non-functional and not needed site wide, can it not be

>? > removed site-wide, or at least not generate reminders that the profile

>? > is not complete without it?

>

> Groups.io may be reluctant to remove it, as several site features have

> been suggested which would make use of it. Specifically the aspect of

> being a site-unique identifier for a user.

>

> I don't know though, where any of those features stand in relation to

> all of the other feature suggestions on the table.

>

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Re: How can I add a Constant Contact list to groups.io?

#11818

Norm,

I tried adding my group catalinafleet@... ...Do you mean [email protected]?

If so, that group does not appear to exist. Either it is unlisted or you've typo'd the group's posting address.

to catalinayachts.ccsend.comSo, are you trying to have messages posted to your CC list post also in your Groups.io list? If so you probably need to use an email integration for that, or allow non-subscribers to post to your Groups.io list.

That's because you'll likely be unable to confirm catalinayachts.ccsend.com's address as a subscriber to your Groups.io group (the address would need to receive and reply to a confirmation request email, which you may not be able to do in CC - I don't know).

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Re: #UserName #username

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Alex,

So if it's non-functional and not needed site wide, can it not be
removed site-wide, or at least not generate reminders that the profile
is not complete without it?Groups.io may be reluctant to remove it, as several site features have been suggested which would make use of it. Specifically the aspect of being a site-unique identifier for a user.

I don't know though, where any of those features stand in relation to all of the other feature suggestions on the table.

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Re: Reply to an email integration mail #bug #reply-to-group

#11816

thierry,

If I make a "reply all" to that mail I've receive, It fills the
recipients of that reply.What does it put in the To (or CC) fields? You might expect it to be your non-subscriber address (the one that sent the message) plus the group's posting address.

But Reply All is one of those features which operates somewhat differently at different email interfaces.

And, It adds an mail address as recipient that ends with :
"groups.io@%!s". Obviously it"s an non valid email address.Can you examine the header of the message you received? Of interest are the From, To, CC, List-Id, and Reply-To fields. Maybe also Sender, if there is one. These are the fields normally used, in some fashion, by an email interface's Reply and Reply All functions.

If that oddball address is in one of those fields, then we'd also want to look at the header fields of the message as you sent it (from your non-subscriber address). Your email interface for that address may let you see a copy of what it thinks it sent, but it would be better to send another message to the integration address, and this time CC yourself directly (at an address where you can examine the received message's header).

Comparing those two sets of fields (on the way in to Groups.io, and on the way out from it) will likely reveal the origin of the oddball address.

Shal


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