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Re: 'Member' button absent

 

If your Moderator permissions don't allow it, you won't see it.? The group owner can allow or restrict many things for moderators.

Duane
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'Member' button absent

Marilyn McClain
 

I belong to four groups and the others have a 'Members' button but the one I am supposed to be the Moderator for does not. ??????
Re: muting messages

Alan Robbins
 

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Bruce,

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Thanks, read the below but still don¡¯t understand why choosing mute for a given message doesn¡¯t hold over past the current day. I will track more closely to see if I can narrow down what is happening.

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Thanks again,

Al

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bruce Bowman
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 1:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] muting messages

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On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:06 AM, Alan Robbins wrote:

I mute a lot of messages/threads on some lists simply due to having no relevance and/or interest to me. Seems fine for the day, but next day if thread persists, seems like I get the messages again. Is the mute function time limited?

There is an extensive help section of Muting and Following at?/static/help#muting?

The behavior you describe, however, is peculiar. Hashtag muting does have a duration, but not topic muting. Could it be that the subsequent messages were posted to a different group/subgroup?

Also keep in mind that muting affects email delivery only. All messages will still appear in the online message archive.

Hope this helps,
Bruce?
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I messed things up, how do I fix it?

 

I created a new group called starlightperformers.groups.io to begin testing out with a small group of parents. We added a few calendar items and sent a few messages. Then it was suggested that we change the name to starlightsingers instead of starlightperformers. So in the settings for the group I just changed the name. It immediately took me to a page that says the group does not exist and now my original group does not exist either. I tried using the back button in my browser to go back to make it right and I can get to the page but it won't make the change. What should I do?

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Re: muting messages

 

On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:06 AM, Alan Robbins wrote:
I mute a lot of messages/threads on some lists simply due to having no relevance and/or interest to me. Seems fine for the day, but next day if thread persists, seems like I get the messages again. Is the mute function time limited?
There is an extensive help section of Muting and Following at?/static/help#muting?

The behavior you describe, however, is peculiar. Hashtag muting does have a duration, but not topic muting. Could it be that the subsequent messages were posted to a different group/subgroup?

Also keep in mind that muting affects email delivery only. All messages will still appear in the online message archive.

Hope this helps,
Bruce?
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Re: Unable to view attached #images online #images

 

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Actually, the first one is the *working* one. The missing ¡°i¡± is from my copy/pasting from the raw source and reformatting it for my message (getting rid of the ¡°=¡° continuation marks).

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On Aug 24, 2018, at 9:59 AM, Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...> wrote:

On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 09:37 AM, Tom Otvos wrote:
There is no substantial difference in the ¡°img¡± tag in both sources. Here are the working, then not working, versions:
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img apple-inline=3D"yes" d=3D"5D9DDEAA-6AAE-4FDD-960A-978CCAD8182B" src=3D"" class=3D¡±"
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img apple-inline=3D"yes" id=3D"DED8EA6F-0DBB-42D4-B2C2-9BAC118EAABB" src=3D"" class=3D¡±"
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Or maybe it is the seemingly obvious problem in the non working version. Note the missing character in "id".
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muting messages

Alan Robbins
 

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Hello,

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I mute a lot of messages/threads on some lists simply due to having no relevance and/or interest to me. Seems fine for the day, but next day if thread persists, seems like I get the messages again. Is the? mute function time limited?

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Al
Re: Member removed for sending spam only not

 


If that's what they're doing, then you can help them out by setting them
to No Email. If they're not checking their email they won't notice, and
if there's nothing sent then Yahoo Mail's automatic spam filter no
longer matters.

That seems too simple, so there's obviously a flaw I'm not seeing.

Maybe it is only that you don't know which ones to flip until their
first unsub event. ([voice="C3PO"] No! Shut them all down!"[/voice]).
Yup, we wouldn't know until after the unsub.? So, it would be a retroactive correction, and would fix the issue for just that list member.?


> Clearly, this seems to only be an issue for me, ...

I don't think so. This topic doesn't come up time and again for no reason.

Shal
Well, just hoping Mark will continue to listen to this suggestion in making this necessary but very harsh rule, less "fatal" when suggested over on the beta list.

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Re: Unable to view attached #images online #images

Gerald Boutin
 

On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 09:37 AM, Tom Otvos wrote:
There is no substantial difference in the ¡°img¡± tag in both sources. Here are the working, then not working, versions:
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img apple-inline=3D"yes" d=3D"5D9DDEAA-6AAE-4FDD-960A-978CCAD8182B" src=3D"" class=3D¡±"
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img apple-inline=3D"yes" id=3D"DED8EA6F-0DBB-42D4-B2C2-9BAC118EAABB" src=3D"" class=3D¡±"
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Or maybe it is the seemingly obvious problem in the non working version. Note the missing character in "id".
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Re: member was unsubbed

 

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Shal thanks for this information about paying for my group. I have to think about this.
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Right now all is well. I am going to stop deleting things on that email folder. It is too much work.
Hopefully Mark will just delete it when it gets close to the memory limit.
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I will just ignore that folder. I really dislike it.
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No reason for it really.
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Maybe one day Mark can eliminate it.
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Anita
Duplicate message to message originator #messages

 

Hi Everyone,
This may have been asked before or is a very silly?question, but I could not find the answer to it.
When?a member of a group posts a new message topic, he receives?the email for this message twice in his inbox, this happens to all members of our group.
This does NOT happen if one replies to a message, but rather only if he originates a new message.
Is this a setting I am missing? is this intended?

Thanks and sorry if really silly.
Motti
Re: Message List Problem

 

On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 02:22 AM, <dgrass1@...> wrote:
You're right! What a simple thing to do!
It's all too easy to click on that Date link and not realize that you've done it.?

A tip: If you modify your group settings to lock topics after 90 days (or whatever), it will help keep subscribers (and you) from replying to a message that was originally sent during the stone age. Don't ask me how I know. :-)
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Re: Move latest/individual messages from Yahoo to groups.io? #transfer

 

Appreciate all the answers, unfortunately,?I could not have scheduled this to coincide with the transfer, as groups.io never tells you when the transfer will be done... I could have asked for a halt in messages, you are correct. We are a fishing chapter and our members are super excited to post their fishing reports, so would have been a problem... thanks for the answers?
Re: Unable to view attached #images online #images

 

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Thanks for the advice on the careful test, including cc¡¯ing myself to get an unadulterated copy. That seems to have helped identify the cause, and I am pretty convinced it is a rendering issue on the ?front end.

I redid one of my tests from last night, using a PNG file that I drag/drop into the message. It failed last night and of course I expected it to fail now, but with the cc I had hoped to see a difference. Imagine my surprise when the new test actually worked and the ?front end rendered the message with the inline image correctly. The difference? Well, I had been sending these test messages to a single topic in my group to contain the clutter. Normally, I was just doing a reply to the first message that started this investigation. In this case, I did the same, only to reduce visual noise to allow an easier raw-source compare, I deleted the quoted content from previous messages. So while the message contained the appropriate ¡°In-Reply-To¡± header, as well as ¡°References¡±, there was no quoted content.

There is no substantial difference in the ¡°img¡± tag in both sources. Here are the working, then not working, versions:

img apple-inline=3D"yes" d=3D"5D9DDEAA-6AAE-4FDD-960A-978CCAD8182B" src=3D"" class=3D¡±"

img apple-inline=3D"yes" id=3D"DED8EA6F-0DBB-42D4-B2C2-9BAC118EAABB" src=3D"" class=3D¡±"

So maybe it has to do with the code that buries the quoted content behind the ¡°...¡± in the UI that is messing up, since the image tag is down below that? Sadly, simply revealing the quoted content in the UI does not reveal the image.

A final test doing exactly the same thing but including quoted content again confirms the image is again missing in the ?UI. I can provide raw source for the messages upon request, but I assume you don¡¯t want me to post that here.

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On Aug 23, 2018, at 11:46 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Tom,

> In the raw source for the message, the images are "inline": ...

I think what matters here is what you didn't show: the HTML img element in the message body that marks where the image should be placed in the display of the message.

I've had some trouble with this, getting different results from using Thunderbird, using Gmail's web interface, using the group's New Topic or Reply, or editing the message while pending.
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/11066

Of course, groups.io does some processing, especially of embedded images. So the src protocol for the image file may not be the same in the group's messages section as it was in the message as sent to the group. It may also be different in the messages as outbound to the members. And then the member's email interface gets into the game.

For example, I've noticed that images I've embedded using the data: protocol tend to display just fine here on site, and in my Thunderbird, but not in Gmail's webmail UI. Go figure.

What I would tell your members is that they will likely have the most consistent success using their mail interface's Insert Photo menu command or button, rather than drag-and-drop or copy/paste. That usually means starting with a photo file that is stored in a file on their computer, and not one that is simply in memory from viewing a web site or having an app display it.

I don't mean to be dispiriting, but if you attempt to sort this out just be aware that you'll have to control for multiple variables in how the message was authored, where it is being viewed, and in the processing in between. Take careful notes, and when posting test images by email cc yourself at an email address where you can view source (so you can tell exactly what you sent, before any processing has been done by Groups.io).

Shal


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Re: Can I move my Big Tent group to groups.io? #transfer

 

Groups.io could take over bigtent. Maybe.
Take it over outright or run it on behalf of care.com
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Big tent seems a worthy concept
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OK,
Tony
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On 23 Aug 2018 at 13:24, Milt Baker wrote about :
Subject : Re: [GMF] Can I move my Big Tent gr
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I'm also looking to migrate a BigTent group to Groups.io.

Here's BigTent's FAQ on their upcoming shut-down.

Milt Baker


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Re: Modified Message-IDs as a Gmail work-around

 

David,

I changed this thread's title to match its content (should have done that before). The original post is still the changelog entry though.
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/7316

Having the same message content arriving with two Message-IDs is a bit
worse than just the user seeing both copies.
Mind you, a given recipient only gets one version, and the Gmail user like me with this feature turned on only gets the Groups.io ID on my own messages.

So it only matters if I reply to my own message. Everyone else's replies would have the original Gmail message-ID. Though this might explain the occasional "mystery" split I've seen on site. If I don't reply (by email) to my own message then the Groups.io ID goes nowhere but into my email folders.

As I understand, this was originally done so that gmail users would
see their own messages.
Correct.

Perhaps the response here is to instruct people on how to configure
gmail for this behavior ...
I've never seen such an instruction that actually worked. Except for tricks that boil down to "post from a different email address".

(The easiest way is to write a catch-all filter rule that then does
nothing. For some reason this causes the sent message to remain in the
inbox instead of being moved to Sent).
I don't want to see the message as sent. I want to see the message as returned, complete with Groups.io's header and footer fields, and possible edits by a moderator while pending.

With this change, however, something changed about the defaults. I
have users now complaining that they are seeing their messages twice,
and we had previously configured things to never send messages with
changed message IDs. Did something change about the default or
configurable behavior in this regard?
I've not noticed any changes.

But then I have the "I always want copies of my own messages" box checked, and always have. So this change should only affect the Message-ID in messages I send as received by others. Now they should be seeing the original Gmail ID; whereas before they (like I) would see the Groups.io ID.

Shal


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Re: Message List Problem

 

Shal,

You're right! What a simple thing to do!

Thanks,
Don

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf
Of Shal Farley
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 10:30 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Message List Problem

Don,

> For some reason Messages are starting from 8/30/2000 (The inception of >
our group on YG), ...

Sounds like you clicked on the Date link (upper right) and reversed the
message order. Click it again to have most recent at the top.

Shal


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Re: Wiki instruction or tutorial

 

On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 01:07 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
Even the much maligned ToC is simple - perhaps too simple for its own good.

It has only one control: the nesting depth of header levels to include.
It has only one way of creating entries: apply Header formats to the
section headings. Start at Header 1, use lower levels as needed, without
skipping levels.
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OK, creating a Table?of Pages, or Table of Topics?I'll call it, turns out to be Eazy Peazy.? Not as E-P as? Mediawiki,? but? i ?works nonetheless.? ?
I'm not quite following the ToC as you are saying,? but I'll mess around with it to see if I can create a "sub? level"?list?on a single page.

Thx!!

-k
Re: Message List Problem

 

Don,

For some reason Messages are starting from 8/30/2000 (The inception of
our group on YG), ...
Sounds like you clicked on the Date link (upper right) and reversed the message order. Click it again to have most recent at the top.

Shal


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Re: Wiki instruction or tutorial

 

ken,

In MW you simply paste into the ToC page, ...
Different context for the word ToC. In Groups.io it lists the sections of a single page.

To create something like a ToC over multiple pages one would "simply" paste page links into a page, much like GMF's wiki home page. Numbers and levels would be up to you to implement by hand though.

Hey, if we buy the upgrade do we get a wiki manual? < SMILE >
Maybe if enough people buy an Enterprise upgrade. Just one won't pay for many hours of a good tech writer though. Though I suspect tech writer wouldn't be Mark's first hire, a support rep might be.

Shal
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