Re: Group for blind managers
Hi, As a blind owner myself, I understand the need for such a separate forum. However, given that it is possible to translate what sighted folks say to screen reading terms, I would vote that we unite our discussions on this group. ? There are other benefits of using this group and translating what is ¡°shown on screen¡± to what ¡°we can hear¡±: - Educational: one way to educate the public (at least a limited audience) is translating what folks say to our own terms, and let others see how we use assistive technologies to manage groups on Groups.IO. Also, by learning practices from sighted owners in regards to leadership and terminology, blind owners too can learn how we can interact with sighted peers not only on Groups.IO, but also on other forum management spaces.
- Mutual understanding: from my experiences and if I read stories from other owners correctly, it doesn¡¯t matter what kind of disability you have as long as you understand your responsibility as a group owner. One good analogy I can offer in this regard is how some political thoughts can transcend disability. Same way here: the ultimate qualification of being an effective leader of a group (or groups) is knowing who you are and how to take care of groups using whatever technology one is using, and this can be furthered by talking to other owners and establishing mutual understanding.
? To those who have recently become owners of groups and don¡¯t know what a screen reader is: a screen reader is a software product that uses various techniques to read contents of a computer screen to blind computer users. These may involve using services offered by operating systems such as Microsoft Windows, or using standards developed by various organizations as guidance for reading and helping users interact with web services (the latter is the predominant case for Groups.IO website). ? I believe some members of this forum are screen reader experts (I am an actual screen reader developer and a Windows Insider, so I can give you pointers on technical matters), so don¡¯t hesitate to contact us if you are interested in learning more about this. Cheers, Joseph ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins via Groups.Io Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 5:10 AM To: GroupManagersForum < [email protected]> Subject: [GMF] Group for blind managers ? Hello, ? Being new to Groups IO and the GMF forum over the last couple of months, I have become aware of at least 3 other blind group owners in addition to myself. Since this brings some unique issues not encountered by sighted owners, I am curious whether there is a blind group managers forum (BGMF) in existence? If so, what is the link to join? If not, do other blind group owners feel this would be a good idea to create? Although much of the advice and direction disseminated by the GMF forum, many of the ways we access options with a screen reader are very different from directions offered by sighted group managers. Thoughts? ? Best, Al
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Re: Group for blind managers
Hello Allen. I am also a blind group owner of 3 groups on here and I also know of other blind owners and I think it would be a good Idea. ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins via Groups.Io Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 8:10 AM To: GroupManagersForum < [email protected]> Subject: [GMF] Group for blind managers ? Hello, ? Being new to Groups IO and the GMF forum over the last couple of months, I have become aware of at least 3 other blind group owners in addition to myself. Since this brings some unique issues not encountered by sighted owners, I am curious whether there is a blind group managers forum (BGMF) in existence? If so, what is the link to join? If not, do other blind group owners feel this would be a good idea to create? Although much of the advice and direction disseminated by the GMF forum, many of the ways we access options with a screen reader are very different from directions offered by sighted group managers. Thoughts? ? Best, Al
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Re: Transfer process: owner has forgotten Yahoo user name and password
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 05:48 AM, Paul Fraser wrote:
Thanks very much to yourself and Shal for that link to Personal Groupware¡ªthat looks promising.
PGOffline provides a way to obtain a personal copy of the group for your own purposes. However, you cannot transfer your message archive to groups.io and reboot a dead group that way. PGOffline cannot export to mbox format, and Mark seems disinclined to import it even if there was. I can't really blame him. There are plenty of unethical people out there who wouldn't mind stealing someone else's group, and he has no reliable way to filter import requests for that kind of thing. He doesn't need that kind of grief.
has anyone managed to transfer their message srchive without going through the normal process (quick search shows nothing).
Not that I am aware of. It seems that both?MailMan users and Y!G people who cannot get hold of a group Owner have been Direct Adding their subscriber lists as best they can and simply starting over. Regards, Bruce? -- The system Help is your friend.?? /static/help
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Re: trying to send invites - getting an error message
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 05:48 AM, Chris Laska wrote:
Hello - suddenly now when sending invites I get this message " The file you uploaded is not a plain text file and we cannot process it."
and the invite is not sent ...any way to solve this ?
I'm assuming you're trying to upload a list of invitees. The file has to be a plain text file in the same format as if you had typed the addresses into the Email Addresses box immediately above, including carriage returns at the end of each line. If you're trying to upload a word processor or spreadsheet document (MS-Word, Excel or some such), you have to save it as plain text first. Better yet, create the file in a plain-text editor such as Notepad. Hope this helps, Bruce? -- The system Help is your friend.?? /static/help
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Hello, ? Being new to Groups IO and the GMF forum over the last couple of months, I have become aware of at least 3 other blind group owners in addition to myself. Since this brings some unique issues not encountered by sighted owners, I am curious whether there is a blind group managers forum (BGMF) in existence? If so, what is the link to join? If not, do other blind group owners feel this would be a good idea to create? Although much of the advice and direction disseminated by the GMF forum, many of the ways we access options with a screen reader are very different from directions offered by sighted group managers. Thoughts? ? Best, Al
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Re: Transfer process: owner has forgotten Yahoo user name and password
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 03:17 AM, George Czerw wrote:
In my limited experience, another Yahoo moderator of that group should be able to make you a moderator of that group.
Only if the owner has changed the default settings to give moderators that power, I believe, but thanks anyway. Paul Fraser
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Re: Transfer process: owner has forgotten Yahoo user name and password
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:54 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 07:21 PM, Paul Fraser wrote:
Is there a work around for the above, as I believe only the Yahoo list owner can create moderator required for the transfer process.
Not really. See?/g/GroupManagersForum/message/10653?
Bruce
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Thanks very much to yourself and Shal for that link to Personal Groupware¡ªthat looks promising. has anyone managed to transfer their message srchive without going through the normal process (quick search shows nothing). Paul Fraser
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trying to send invites - getting an error message
Hello - suddenly now when sending invites I get this message " The file you uploaded is not a plain text file and we cannot process it."
and the invite is not sent ...any way to solve this ?
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Janice, There is definitely no photo album with that name (Emailed Photos).
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I will write to support about this situation. If you haven't already, you may not need to. Ok, it seems that two of the three types of embedded images do not get stored in Emailed Photos, and likely do not consume your group's storage quota. Those would be: http: This one makes sense, the image file is stored remotely, not on Groups.io and not in the message content at all. It truly is not an "attached" image. data: This one would be an oversight (bug) I think. The image file is inline in the message body, so it is consuming Groups.io's storage, but because it is in the message body it is not technically "attached" nor is it stored in Emailed Photos; and it probably isn't deducted from your group's storage quota. Arguably (above a certain size) it should be put in Emailed Photos and counted against your group's storage quota. If you want to find out which you are dealing with, you can look at the View Source for the message. After selecting that from the More menu, use your browser's find function (usually Ctrl+F) and search for "img" (without the quotes). You should find something that looks like: ... <img src=3D"data: ... but the word before the colon may be http, cid, or data. There should be one of those img elements for each of the three photos in that message. I'm placing my bets on http, since (I think) data is still rare; and (I think) cid would have been in Emailed Photos. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Re: migrating from mailman?
Joseph, Adam, myself and a couple of others, I Have done transfers from
mailman. We simply did the correct dad, which allows you to put in 20
addresses at a time. Actually, there is no explicit limit to how many addresses you can submit at one time to Direct Add. However if you submit more than 20 in a 24-hour period your action may be held pending review by Groups.io. Emphasis on the word "may", I was only held the first time I submitted a couple hundred addresses, and the hold was less than 24 hours. But Groups.io was smaller then, and support less busy, so your mileage may vary. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Re: migrating from mailman?
Adam, myself and a couple of others, I Have done transfers from mailman. We simply did the correct dad, which allows you to put in 20 addresses at a time. Then triggers the next how many ever other members that don't get added will have to be approved by Mark then they will also simply be direct debit. So you can either choose to upload text file with Direct dance, or simply use the invite functionality. We did not transfer our archives. Everything else has worked wonderfully.
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On Aug 13, 2018, at 11:31 PM, adam morris <lists@...> wrote:
Hi all,
I sent a message to support a few days ago.
Wondering if anyone has migrated a list from mailman and if so the best way to do it.
I can get members addresses into a text file if that makes things easier.
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Re: Transfer process: owner has forgotten Yahoo user name and password
In my limited experience, another Yahoo moderator of that group
should be able to make you a moderator of that group.
On 8/14/2018 7:02 PM, Paul Fraser via
Groups.Io wrote:
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Is there a work around for the above, as I believe only the Yahoo
list owner can create moderator required for the transfer process.
Paul Fraser
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Re: Integration with OneDrive
Thanks Bruce for the information on how limited the functionality currently is.? I'll keep an eye out in the beta group.
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Re: add co-owner or moderator
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 08:50 PM, Lenny McHugh wrote:
I have been looking through the different areas and do not see where to add a co-owner or moderator. Guidance welcomed!
Open the Members List (Admin>Members) and click anywhere in the row of the person you want to promote. Pull down the Role menu and make the appropriate change. Be sure to update the Permissions and Notifications checkboxes as appropriate, then click the Save button at the bottom of the page. Regards, Bruce -- The system Help is your friend.?? /static/help
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Re: add co-owner or moderator
How Can I Add Moderators To My Group?
Groups.io supports groups with multiple moderators and owners, along with a full permissions system. To add someone as a moderator, they must first be a member of your group.
Navigate to the group on Groups.io and click on Admin/Members in the left sidebar. From there, click on the member you would like to make a moderator. After opening the record of the person to be made a moderator, click on the selector "Role". It offers three options: Owner, Moderator, and Member. Select moderator. Click "save" at the bottom of the screen after making your selection. Each person can have only one role; the owner has all permissions, the moderator more limited permissions.
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Frances
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There is definitely no photo album with that name (Emailed Photos).? This is the only case I know of where someone in my group has sent embedded photos.? Some people have attempted to attach photos and they are automatically stripped from their message.? I advise them to upload the photos to a photo album rather than attempt to attach them.? We are a quilting group and share a lot of photos.
I will write to support?about this situation.
Thanks, Janice B New Statler Siblings
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add co-owner or moderator
I have been looking through the different areas and
do
not see where to add a co-owner or moderator. Guidance welcomed! thank
you
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Re: migrating from mailman?
Sounds interesting, ideas where I could learn info on this technique? Sounds
useful for many applications
Al
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Jim Fisher Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 4:00 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [GMF] migrating from mailman? That stripping/reformatting can be done without too much difficulty in a spreadsheet program for many thousands of addresses. You do need to know how to use certain text manipulating formulae though. Jim Fisher [excess quote trimmed by moderator]
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Re: Transfer process: owner has forgotten Yahoo user name and password
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 07:21 PM, Paul Fraser wrote:
Is there a work around for the above, as I believe only the Yahoo list owner can create moderator required for the transfer process.
Not really. See? /g/GroupManagersForum/message/10653? Bruce -- The system Help is your friend.?? /static/help
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