Re: Messages bouncing iCloud accounts
Received from Julian Thornhill at 8/8/2018 09:10 PM UTC: "I suspect this may be one for whoever runs <>Groups.io, but can they sort out their bulk email settings. Pretty much every time I get a digest from the <redacted> group I have to unbounce my account because their bulk email settings are dodgy and iCloud bounces it. What "bulk email settings?" Looks to me like iCloud is setting arbitrary standards. I'd be telling the affected member to contact iCloud about the problem. Perhaps the iCloud standards are due to the size of the digest as compared to the device receiving the digest. I'd personally call a 100 kb email received on my iPhone rather unworkable... perhaps iCloud not only agrees, but also forces that interpretation on its users who are using mobile devices. Jim H
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Re: Major issues in my group, spoofed or something internal in IO??? Help please.
Received from Shal Farley at 8/12/2018 02:32 AM UTC: Exactly. This problem may go away as IPv6 gains traction, but for now it is usually the case that entire households, corporate departments, hotels, dormitories, libraries, and in some places /cities/ sit behind a single IP address assigned to their shared router. Or the entire customer base of an ISP sits behind the IP address of a single (or moderate number of) outbound SMTP server(s)... the latter being the thing that actually connects to groups.io to deliver mail and thus is the IP address that groups.io sees as delivery is attempted. The IP address of the poster is down in the headers and isn't seen by Groups.io until after the message has been accepted... at which point some post-acceptance filtering of the headers would be required to zap just that one sender. Yahoo rejected all incoming email from USER@... of it didn't originate from domain.com. Spoofing - rare to begin with - went to zero for my groups when that was implemented. Jim H
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Re: Which is best approach when new member wants to join a specific group?
Don,
When a new member wants to join a specific group and that group requires membership to be approved by moderators, which is the best process?
Possibly more important than whether or not group membership is restricted, is whether the members will likely want or need access to the group's web features. If not, a path by way of Direct Add, Invite, or the +subscribe email command will likely prove simplest for them. 1. Create an account (sign up) with email and set a password; then go to the specific group and click ¡°Join This Group¡± button,
If the group's membership is restricted (moderator approval required) then the button will be labeled "Apply For Membership In This Group". That nit-pick aside...
2. Go directly to the specific group and then click the ¡°Join This Group¡± button. This approach seems to kill two birds with one stone: the account is created and the group is joined.
This is what I would suggest, assuming the member is likely to want or need access to the group's web features. However, in this process, there does not seem to be a way to set the original password rather just a way to change a password.
Po-tay-toh, po-tah-toh. If the person has not previously had a Groups.io account, or has not set a password in their account, then they could "change" their password from nothing to something.
Notably, setting a password is not required for web access as a Groups.io group member. The member can use the "Email me a link to log in" button instead, and never bother to have a password. The Delete Password button actually does what it says, and thereafter the member can either use an emailed link to log in, or can use the "Forgot your password, or don't have one yet?" link to set a new password.
Shal
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Re: Group for blind managers
Hi,
In the short term, it may work; but in the long term, I can see it leading
to more fragmentation. Thus I would like to strongly oppose this idea. Even
if a supposed group is created, I plan not to join.
Cheers,
Joseph
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 12:07 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [GMF] Group for blind managers Alan, I think it is a good idea. If nobody else besides Joseph is against it, I will definitely create though group and post subscription info here for those that choose to come over. [excess quote trimmed by moderator]
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Which is best approach when new member wants to join a specific group?
Very few of the people wanting to join my group are handy with computers so I need to provide them with relatively simple instructions on how to join. I think I see two ways to join a group if the person does not already have a groups.io account.
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When a new member wants to join a specific group and that group requires membership to be approved by moderators, which is the best process?
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1. Create an account (sign up) with email and set a password; then go to the specific group and click ¡°Join This Group¡± button,
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2. Go directly to the specific group and then click the ¡°Join This Group¡± button. This approach seems to kill two birds with one stone: the account is created and the group is joined. However, in this process, there does not seem to be a way to set the original password rather just a way to change a password.
How does the password actually get set in this approach? Does the new member enter a password and click on change this password since there is no ¡°set password¡± option?
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Don
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Re: Group for blind managers
Alan, I think it is a good idea. If nobody else besides Joseph is against it, I will definitely create though group and post subscription info here for those that choose to come over.
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On Aug 15, 2018, at 7:09 AM, Alan Robbins via Groups.Io <alan1057@...> wrote:
Hello,
Being new to Groups IO and the GMF forum over the last couple of months, I have become aware of at least 3 other blind group owners in addition to myself. Since this brings some unique issues not encountered by sighted owners, I am curious whether there is a blind group managers forum (BGMF) in existence? If so, what is the link to join? If not, do other blind group owners feel this would be a good idea to create? Although much of the advice and direction disseminated by the GMF forum, many of the ways we access options with a screen reader are very different from directions offered by sighted group managers. Thoughts?
Best,
Al
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Re: migrating from mailman?
I learnt by trial and error (in the completely different context of creating
repetitive HTML code), making considerable use of the Excel Help file. If you
want some tuition, I'm willing to help a little, but I suggest we take it off
this group and do it privately before Shal jumps on us for being off-topic. In
case you can't see my email address in the headers, it is ejf@...
Jim
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On 14 Aug 2018 at 19:29, Alan Robbins via Groups.Io wrote: Sounds interesting, ideas where I could learn info on this technique? Sounds
useful for many applications
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- political snippets, especially economic policy
- misc. snippets, some political, some not
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Re: Group for blind managers
Al, Joseph, andy,
Lets see what some others that may chime in have to say.
I don't know how well screen readers cope with subject hashtags, but you could establish the hashtag #blind for topics that particularly relate to blind readers of GMF. That would make them easy to find through the Hashtags page, yet remain within GMF for the reasons Joseph cited.
If you want me to apply that hashtag (or some other) to this topic or past topics let me know in this thread or off-list. If there are other ways GMF can support your mission (Wiki pages?) let me know.
Shal GMF Owner
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Mark just reported that he has fixed this bug.? Works now in my testing.
Toby
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Re: Revised invite wording
Are you editing the custom message on the Invite page -or- on the Admin -> Settings -> Member Notices area?? (Notice Type = Invite)
If you are in the Member Notices area, is the Invite notice set as Active? (checkbox)
Toby
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I just tried editing mine and get a blank page after clicking the Update button.
Time to email support.
Toby
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Re: trying to send invites - getting an error message
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:10 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
You're right. I just tried to invite my wife to my group and got the same error.
Direct Add is not working either. I have reported the problem to support. ? Bruce -- The system Help is your friend.?? /static/help
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Thank you, Duane. I wish there was some way to know timelines before starting the process, to let members know.
Rebecca
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Re: Revised invite wording
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Don Dawson wrote:
I¡¯ve added a few words to my group invitation but they are not appearing in the invitation that the user receives.? How do I revise the wording?
With what appears to be an ongoing Invite problem, I'm reluctant to reply. But it's supposed to work like this:? Most of the wording in the invitation cannot be changed, but you can insert a custom message in the middle of it. Type what you want to say in the "Customize Message" box and it should be inserted into the "Invitation to Be Sent" box immediately above. It's my understanding that much of the reason for the canned wording in both the Invite and Direct Add notices is because -- by law -- anyone added or invited to any [legitimate] group must be provided with a way to opt out. ? Hope this helps, Bruce -- The system Help is your friend.?? /static/help
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Re: trying to send invites - getting an error message
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Merle Finch wrote:
My co-owner and I are getting this same message whenever we try to invite a new person to our group. I typed her address in the invite and I still get the message. We are not trying to upload a file or anything, just send an invite to one email address. Any other ideas?
You're right. I just tried to invite my wife to my group and got the same error. Time for a bug report, it seems. Bruce? -- The system Help is your friend.?? /static/help
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I¡¯ve added a few words to my group invitation but they
are not appearing in the invitation that the user receives.? How do I
revise the wording?
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On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 04:06 PM, RickGlaz wrote:
No big deal, but what to do next?
This might seem like a silly question but you are clicking on Update Group Profile once you have made the changes, aren't you... Chris
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Re: trying to send invites - getting an error message
My co-owner and I are getting this same message whenever we try to invite a new person to our group. I typed her address in the invite and I still get the message. We are not trying to upload a file or anything, just send an invite to one email address. Any other ideas? Thanks.
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Re: Group for blind managers
Joseph,
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As always, you bring up some very good points. Lets see what some others that may chime in have to say. Thanks for the post.
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Al
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 11:33 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [GMF] Group for blind managers
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Hi,
As a blind owner myself, I understand the need for such a separate forum. However, given that it is possible to translate what sighted folks say to screen reading terms, I would vote that we unite our discussions on this group.
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There are other benefits of using this group and translating what is ¡°shown on screen¡± to what ¡°we can hear¡±:
- Educational: one way to educate the public (at least a limited audience) is translating what folks say to our own terms, and let others see how we use assistive technologies to manage groups on Groups.IO. Also, by learning practices from sighted owners in regards to leadership and terminology, blind owners too can learn how we can interact with sighted peers not only on Groups.IO, but also on other forum management spaces.
- Mutual understanding: from my experiences and if I read stories from other owners correctly, it doesn¡¯t matter what kind of disability you have as long as you understand your responsibility as a group owner. One good analogy I can offer in this regard is how some political thoughts can transcend disability. Same way here: the ultimate qualification of being an effective leader of a group (or groups) is knowing who you are and how to take care of groups using whatever technology one is using, and this can be furthered by talking to other owners and establishing mutual understanding.
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To those who have recently become owners of groups and don¡¯t know what a screen reader is: a screen reader is a software product that uses various techniques to read contents of a computer screen to blind computer users. These may involve using services offered by operating systems such as Microsoft Windows, or using standards developed by various organizations as guidance for reading and helping users interact with web services (the latter is the predominant case for Groups.IO website).
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I believe some members of this forum are screen reader experts (I am an actual screen reader developer and a Windows Insider, so I can give you pointers on technical matters), so don¡¯t hesitate to contact us if you are interested in learning more about this.
Cheers,
Joseph
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