Received from Chris Jones via Groups.Io at 8/4/2018 07:52 PM UTC:

This topic has arisen following a post on beta from Patti Sliney, but that is not the best place for a disccusion about it, given that it was under Site Updates. Patti's post included the following:

Any chance adding a "Comment" field in the application for membership screen, and having the option as a list owner/mod, to make that field mandatory? We've got this request on our Wish List, just hoping we can have that added in. We've tried the work around, which is moderating all our list membership, then sending an email message to the prospective member, asking them to tell us why they wish to join our group, but we are getting less than a 10% response.

At some point people need to accept the consequences of their actions or inactions. If they don't respond, they don't get approved. Likewise, if group owners are upset at a 10% response, loosen the requirements for approval, send requests for th emissing info... in short, MANAGE YOUR GROUP. This simply isn't a Gio problem.

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Thanks, Shal. Also, it would be nice to have to force membership requests versus just email only requests. This was such an issue for us over on Yahoo Groups as my lists heavily refer to our lists’ photos, Files, database, etc. sections. I would love to be able to exclude email only memberships requests.?
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In my Group, all members are allowed to upload files.? However, members are telling me they cannot upload anything.? So, I went to my Group, cand licked on Files.? I was able to create a new folder.? However, the Upload Files option is grayed out and when I mouse over it the "International N0" symbol appears (circle with a line through it).
Can somebody please tell me how to fix this?? It has worked in the past and I have not changed anything.
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Bob

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Donnell,

Thank you. But approve and unmoderate future posts are all checked.

I'm not sure what you mean by "checked" - those are big green buttons not checkboxes:



If you're seeing something different a screenshot might help us figure out your question.

is there something I need to do as owner to click approve without the other checks tagging along.

Nothing special. Just click one button or the other.

Shal


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On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 08:39 PM, Donnell wrote:

But approve and unmoderate future posts are all there something I need to do as owner to click approve without the other checks tagging along.?

If your group is on moderation, and you click on Approve, it will approve that message with no other action.

These message moderation functions should appear as buttons, not checkboxes. If you're seeing checkboxes, I'm really confused.? Can you send us a screenshot so we have a better idea of what you're talking about?

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Bruce?
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Thank you. But approve and unmoderate future posts are all there something I need to do as owner to click approve without the other checks tagging along.?

Bruce,

CHANGE: Only rate limit messages to members from other members,
not mods/owners.

I assume this refers to the Direct Mail [DM] functionality available
via the user profiles?

I believe so. Possibly also "Private" messages sent as replies to postings.

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Chris,

That's sort of OK as far as it goes, but it will not capture those who
try to join by email - only those who apply via the web UI.

There are a number of ways this can be handled.

One of which would be to include in the confirmation email (sent after a +subscribe command) a link to a page where the user can provide the requested information. That link could include a unique coding so that no log in is required.

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On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 07:53 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

CHANGE: Only rate limit messages to members from other members, not
mods/owners.

I assume this refers to the Direct Mail [DM] functionality available via the user profiles?
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Bruce
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When you select Approve, only that message is approved.? If you are using NuM, that count is decremented by one.? Approve and Unmoderate does exactly that, approves the message and removes moderation for the individual.

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Hi all,

This week's change log covers two weeks:


Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.

NEW: Display Owner/Mod badges on group sidebar.

Yay! Now when someone writes in with a question that implies that they aren't the group owner when they think they are, I have an easy place for them to look and then tell me.

NEW: Added domain/subdomain setup information to the help page.

For enterprise groups only.

CHANGE: Updated and added sections about our data processing agreement
and other aspects of GDPR.

Evidently won't go live until probably Monday:

I had not been including updates to the API in the #changelog reports.
I will start doing so now.

The API subgroup of beta is not very active. I wonder if we'll start hearing of any interesting apps.


Comments about these others are also welcome:

CHANGE: Only rate limit messages to members from other members, not
mods/owners.
SYSADMIN: Migrated one of the DNS servers to a new machine.
API: New group field: subgroup_category_id.
NEW: Subgroup categories.
NEW: Removed scrolling and reformatted subgroup list page.

Please call out any you find significant.

Shal


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On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 05:55 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:

But I have a bunch of drafts for messages that I haven’t backed out of and were posted normally. I’ll keep an ? on it.

Whenever you click on a link in an group email that says "view/reply online," groups.io automatically opens a response box. You have to remember to click on the "Discard" button to close it or you'll end up with a bunch of these "drafts."

I do not like this behavior and have complained about it in beta. But others seem to prefer it, so it is what it is.

Hope this helps,
Bruce
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ken,

How do we stop an emailed post from being send to the person who
posted it?

You don't. Groups.io always includes the poster when distributing the messages to the group. Subject to the poster's delivery setting of course.

To clarify Duane's comment about Gmail users, it is Gmail that normally hides the poster's own messages when returned from the group. The account option to always receive your own messages implements a work-around to that Gmail behavior. Another work-around is to post via the group's pages instead of via Gmail.

Also why does IO haphazardly put a msg in DRAFTS.. not saving drafts
or canceling a post. But mesgs (not all) still end up in that location

A draft is created anytime you begin a message but don't either send or explicitly discard it. That means if you close the browser tab, or click on a link to navigate to another page a draft is created to save your work in progress.

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Good afternoon.?

When approving a post it says. Approve. Approve and unmoderate?? (I'm working from memory here) . I want to approve posts but leave on moderated status. Is there a way to do that???

Very much appreciate your help.

Best,
Donnell Bell?

Yes I would think that’s how it should work and expected suchly. But I have a bunch of drafts for messages that I haven’t backed out of and were posted normally. I’ll keep an ? on it.

Thx.

Al,

When using the direct add option in a premium group, if all addresses
submitted don’t get added, is there a list somewhere of those that
didn’t get added?

Didn't the Direct Add page refresh to a results page? Maybe that only gave a summary, but I thought it also listed the failures.

As far as I know the only addresses that don't get added are those that are invalid. That could be syntax errors like "user2example.com" (missing @ sign) or disallowed domains (example.com, groups.io).

When copying a batch of addresses from a Yahoo Group many may immediately go on Bouncing status, but they still got added (and show in your group's Members list) even though the address has delivery problems.

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Don,

Is there a way to tell which transferred members are actually signing
in or activating their Groups.io membership.

As Bruce mentioned, their membership (subscription) is active immediately. Meaning that they start receiving posts from the group and they can post to the group by email.

They can also log in to Groups.io, by entering the email address that is subscribed to your group on the login page, and immediately access your group's web pages as a member.

You (as group owner/moderator) can't tell when they log into Groups.io or visit your group's web pages unless they do something like post using the group's page or change a subscription setting that isn't available by email. That is, you only have indirect evidence not a definitive status indication.

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Those that choose to receive emails will always get the ones they send (unless they use gmail, then it can be turned off.)

The saving of drafts isn't haphazard for me.? It only happens when I start a topic or reply, then leave the page without canceling.? That's the way it's supposed to work.

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Tom,

I'm about to do a direct add of several hundred members to a new group
transferring from Yahoo. Several of them have "Special notice"
selected as their email option.

The transfer agent would have copied that option along with their email address. But I think you knew that.

In the direct add instructions (at the bottom of the direct add page)
Special notice is not noted as an option to append to the entry. Is
that an option, and if so what is the format?

Unfortunately I do not have a premium group to test that at the moment. If you have a spare email address you could Direct Add to the group you could test it using that.

Would it be "John Doe <JohnDoe@...> special"?

That would be my first guess.

And I assume that if that is in a CSV file the entire line is in the
same cell in column 1?

As you discovered in beta, one has to be cautious with CSV files, as often the default is to use quotes around each text value, and that breaks the format for Groups.io.

When I Direct Add (or Invite) from a spreadsheet I just copy the column and paste it into the Direct Add box, without saving as a .csv or .txt file. Even with thousands of members the clipboard in a modern system should be able to handle it.

Shal


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