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I am considering migrating my Yahoo groups to groups.io. Prior to doing that I need to change my io.com account's email. I have tried two different email accounts on two different servers but never receive the confirmation email. I have checked the spam folders on both accounts. Is there a current issue with the confirmation email system?

Ron


Re: How to move Active (but apparently abandoned by unresponsive group owner) Yahoo Groups???

 

Unfortunately, it was set up as a private, restricted group, on egroups.com, before Yahoo took over.? I have sent another email to the owner of the group as well as to the TVR Car Club's HQ.? Using PG Offline might be my only option at this point.

Group Website

Group Information

  • Members :1061
  • Category :
  • Founded :Sep 24, 1998
  • Language :English

Group Settings

  • This is a restricted group.
  • Attachments are not permitted.
  • Members cannot hide email address.
  • Not listed in Yahoo Groups directory.
  • Membership requires approval.
  • Messages are not moderated.
  • All members can post messages.

Group Email Addresses


Re: Sidebar - Gmail dotted email addresses

 

Jeremy,

I would suggest that this is all down to the question: 'When is an e-mail address not an e-mail address?' Answer: 'When it's an id.'

Correct.

And any third-party using an email address as an ID must not presume anything about the semantics of the user portion. The only safe assumption is that each unique spelling is a unique individual. Dots are not the only issue, you even must assume that capitalization might matter: John@... may not be the same individual as john@....
Moral 2: if somebody's signing up to your service with an e-mail as id, do your best to ensure it is theirs...?

Correct again. This is why Groups.io requires that a user confirm their email address (prove that they received a notice sent to that address) before the address can be used to participate. If your group's Members list has any email addresses bearing the NC badge, this is what the owner of that address has not done - Not Confirmed.

And this discrepancy - that if your e-mail address is ab@~ , and somebody can use a.b@~ as 'their' id (but which is your email), then it is a security loophole: see (and other responses to googling 'google email netflix security fail' )?

I think Moral 1 is simpler, and applies no matter what email service you use: never confirm an account when you didn't, just a moment ago, originate the confirmation request.

So I think in Ellen's case the problem may actually be fraud... (and one that, from what she said, Apple are aware of)

Only if she had confirmed an account using the non-dotted address. Otherwise it might just have been a typo that misdirected the other person's message to her.
Shal


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Re: Sidebar - Gmail dotted email addresses

 

I would suggest that this is all down to the question: 'When is an e-mail address not an e-mail address?' Answer: 'When it's an id.'

AIUI Google is following the standards - any e-mail sent to an ~@gmail address goes to them, they are sending it to the correct mail box (that they have provided) for that e-mail address - and they are, as is their right under the standard, ignoring any dots in the 'pre-@' part the address (which is purely their business). So ab@gmail.~ and a.b@gmail.~ are both valid addresses for the same destination - and if an e-mail is sent to both, the destination mail box will (or at least should) get two e-mails. But anything using an e-mail address as an id isn't bound by, or using, e-mail standards - typically I think they just check it has an @ in the middle, without worrying about anybodyelse's rules that may (or may not) comply with the standard.

And this discrepancy - that if your e-mail address is ab@~ , and somebody can use a.b@~ as 'their' id (but which is your email), then it is a security loophole: see (and other responses to googling 'google email netflix security fail' )?

So I think in Ellen's case the problem may actually be fraud... (and one that, from what she said, Apple are aware of)

Moral: if you have a gmail address, be aware, and be suspicious of any (money related in particular) e-mails that unexpectedly arrive, addressed to a wrongly dotted version of it. (But note that, as it is 'your' address, you can always go and get the password reset)

Moral 2: if somebody's signing up to your service with an e-mail as id, do your best to ensure it is theirs...

Jeremy? ?


Re: True permalink for photos? #suggestion

 

Okay, thanks both. Tagged as a suggestion, but if not dealt with from the historical thread, I guess not a priority. It does make the usefulness of a photo url questionable to anything other than the groups.io album functionality. Oh well, {sigh} ;-)
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Andrew Dumbleton


Re: How to move Active (but apparently abandoned by unresponsive group owner) Yahoo Groups???

 

I suspect, as Shal says, you aren't going to be able to "port over" using the easy-transfer method.? Reality sucks sometimes.? What you can do (IF you can look at the member list of the inactive yahoo list) is download the membership roster in .csv format, then "invite" all of them individually to join a mirror list on groups.io.? You won't be able to move the message history over but you can download the photos and files to your own computer and then upload them to the new list.? Lot of trouble, but it will depend on how significant the photos/files are as to whether it's worth the time and trouble.??

I've been trying to warn some of my friends about the vagaries of yahoogroups recently, and most of them are either ignoring me or pooh-poohing me.? At some point, they too will find that their lists aren't functional (as I did) or useful because of unresponsiveness in the tech support area, so I guess some folks just have to learn the hard way.

Bill?


Re: Time Stamps on Posts

 

All of our posts have date stamps visible by default.? Hovering over that date shows the time-date stamp.


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Best Regards,
Gary D Vaught

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 9:01 AM, <tgrassey@...> wrote:
Is there a way to add time stamps to posts?



Time Stamps on Posts

 

Is there a way to add time stamps to posts?


Re: Sent invitations #membership #addmembers

 

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 10:51 AM, Gary Vaught wrote:

some members have multiple email addresses.? I'd like to have them accept
with only one and then drop the others.?
If someone does join (twice) with two separate emails addresses there may be a way to merge two accounts into one, but I have not needed to do that with my group so have not looked for that.

Will that prevent them from joining
with the other email account?
Probably not, though you should be able to block an email address or at least set it so that it cannot post.

OK ¡ª HTH

Paul Mitchell
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Re: Sent invitations #membership #addmembers

 

Deleting accepted invites does not affect membership.
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/10224
Toby


Re: Turn off "New Member" emails to moderators #membership #announcement

 

Disregard. The solution my moderator was looking for was in the notification.


Re: Turn off "New Member" emails to moderators #membership #announcement

 

I see how you can do it one moderator at a time, but not a group wide setting. In Subscription, there is a group of checkboxes. See attached photo. Be sure to save.?

Frsnces





Turn off "New Member" emails to moderators #membership #announcement

 

I've got a group, which has multiple subgroups, and our board moderators are over all of the groups.? There are a LOT of "new member" notifications coming in to all of our moderators.? Is there a way to turn those notifications to the moderators off?


Re: Bouncing again!

Chuq Von Rospach
 

well, when I was doing email for a living, Roadrunner was always one of the domains that created unnecessary drama in trying to get email to subscribers, and their admins were always attitudinal that it was never their fault. Nice to see nothing's changed.?



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On July 30, 2018 at 10:34:02 AM, Bob Bellizzi (cdfexec@...) wrote:

Messages are bounced by the receiving server, that? means the server where the destination email account resides.
I find that the Road Runner (.....) seems to bounce emails more often than many others.? They also use excuses like "too many emails during this period" and other excuses for lack of service to throttle incoming traffic.
This is not a new thing; it has bee going on for years
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Founder, Fuchs Friends??
Founder & Executive Director,?


Re: Sidebar - Gmail dotted email addresses

Ellen
 

Yep ... I get anyone's mail who tries to use the miz.elly addy without a dot. I was told it was because I had the addy first (with the dot) Yahoo knows about this now and they don't seem to be inclined to change anything about the dot issue.

-----Original Message-----
From: Shal Farley
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 11:20 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Sidebar - Gmail dotted email addresses

Ken,

Well I don't want to start trading insults, but I am somewhat dismayed
by the cavalier attitude to standards being displayed by some
participants of this thread.
I've cited the relevant standard. If you think there is some standard
being subverted, please cite it.

there has most certainly been a problem with the use or not of a dot
in the user part of the email address (i.e. before the @).
In Merle's case the dot was a factor. The two different spellings of
Merle's Gmail address (with and without dot) were entered into Groups.io
which created two separate accounts for them. Merle was ultimately able
to resolve the issue by logging in using the alternate spelling and
making corrections.

In Ellen's case the problem was a typo. The dot was not a factor because
the same result would have occurred with or without it.

Shal


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Re: Bouncing again!

 

Messages are bounced by the receiving server, that? means the server where the destination email account resides.
I find that the Road Runner (.....rr.com) seems to bounce emails more often than many others.? They also use excuses like "too many emails during this period" and other excuses for lack of service to throttle incoming traffic.
This is not a new thing; it has bee going on for years
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Founder, Fuchs Friends??
Founder & Executive Director,?


Re: Bouncing again!

 

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Disregard this.? After further investigating only a few emails are bouncing and I think they are maybe not valid emails.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Sandra Pickens-Gmail
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 11:34 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [GMF] Bouncing again!

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?All my members that are @triad.rr.com are bouncing again!
message: Name@...? is bouncing via system
whatever was done to fix this has been undone:(? ?
Anyone else seeing this?


Re: Transfer from Yahoo #transfer #yahoo

 

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Thank you.? Your directions worked perfectly!? Excellent!
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From: Duane
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2018 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Transfer from Yahoo
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On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 06:50 AM, Don Dawson wrote:
How / where do I do the $10 upgrade?
Under the drop down list under Admin, select Upgrade.? The page that opens will have a summary of your storage usage.? Click the "View/Change Plan" button on the right.? The "Transfer Plan" is the 3rd one down the list of options.? Select "Upgrade" on the right of that and set it up.

Duane
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Re: How to move Active (but apparently abandoned by unresponsive group owner) Yahoo Groups???

 

George,

Is there a way to port those groups over to groups.io even though I am
not a group owner?
To use the easy group transfer mechanism you must be at least a moderator of the group with these two privileges:

Invite and add members
Add, remove, and change moderator privileges

Some of these groups have been active for close to 20 years and I
would hate to lose the collection of stored information in them.
You can use PG Offline to make a personal copy to your computer.


Shal


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Bouncing again!

 

?All my members that are @triad.rr.com are bouncing again!
message: Name@...? is bouncing via system
whatever was done to fix this has been undone:(? ?
Anyone else seeing this?