On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 12:35 pm, Glenn Glazer wrote:

Will think some more on this and report back if I come up with something brilliant.

I cannot claim that this suggestion is anything "brilliant", but would making your Calendar editable by subscribers work? Or would it be too vulnerable to mistakes and inadvertent deletions?

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On 7/1/2018 12:31, Shal Farley wrote:

Glenn,

I wrote:

There's no feature to create new roles, but you might be able to get
the effect you want by using a subgroup for the Executive Board.

Oops.

I missed a gaping flaw with that idea: members of the primary group could not receive notices or reminders from the subgroup's calendar.

Shal

Oh.? Yeah, that would be a deal-breaker for us.

Will think some more on this and report back if I come up with something brilliant.

Best,

Glenn

Glenn,

I wrote:

There's no feature to create new roles, but you might be able to get
the effect you want by using a subgroup for the Executive Board.

Oops.

I missed a gaping flaw with that idea: members of the primary group could not receive notices or reminders from the subgroup's calendar.

Shal


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On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 12:00 pm, Glenn Glazer wrote:

Since "moderators" isn't appropriate, I would like to create a new role called "Executive Board" or "EBoard", assign members to that role and then privileges only to that role.

Is this possible?

No, this is not currently possible.

I feel that the title of "Moderator" is somewhat unfortunate. In groups.io, individual Moderator roles and notifications are highly configurable and -- if you want -- can be totally unrelated to the screening of incoming messages (see list below). I suggest you investigate that option further.

Hope this helps,
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On 7/1/2018 12:23, Shal Farley wrote:

Glenn,

Since "moderators" isn't appropriate, I would like to create a new
role called "Executive Board" or "EBoard", assign members to that role
and then privileges only to that role.

There's no feature to create new roles, but you might be able to get the effect you want by using a subgroup for the Executive Board.

The calendar of the Executive Board subgroup can be set to "Public can view, Subscribers can view and edit". That would allow only members of the Executive Board subgroup to update that calendar.

The "public can view" part might be a concern, as I think that means public, and not just members of the primary group. And you'd probably want to disable the primary group's calendar; and the members of the primary group would need to be taught to look at the subgroup's calendar instead. So not necessarily the most convenient work-around.

But you may find other advantages to having a subgroup for the Executive Board, it would give them the resources of a group (including their own messages) that could be private from the primary group at large.

Sha

Thanks, Shal, that's an useful insight.? I don't think we care if the calendar is public because the state bylaws say that all of our meetings are open to the public.

Best,

Glenn

Glenn,

Since "moderators" isn't appropriate, I would like to create a new
role called "Executive Board" or "EBoard", assign members to that role
and then privileges only to that role.

There's no feature to create new roles, but you might be able to get the effect you want by using a subgroup for the Executive Board.

The calendar of the Executive Board subgroup can be set to "Public can view, Subscribers can view and edit". That would allow only members of the Executive Board subgroup to update that calendar.

The "public can view" part might be a concern, as I think that means public, and not just members of the primary group. And you'd probably want to disable the primary group's calendar; and the members of the primary group would need to be taught to look at the subgroup's calendar instead. So not necessarily the most convenient work-around.

But you may find other advantages to having a subgroup for the Executive Board, it would give them the resources of a group (including their own messages) that could be private from the primary group at large.

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On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 10:59 am, Ken Schweizer wrote:

Any message of explanation entered before forwarding appears to be removed before it is sent to the original sender.

In the strictest sense you aren't "sending an email"; you are sending a command to Groups.io to reject a post. Similarly an ("email") command sent to release a post to the members cannot be used to edit the post, e.g. trim off excessive quotation or correct an obvious and perhaps confusing spelling error.

Is using the web interface that much of a chore?

Chris

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 12:00 pm, Glenn Glazer wrote:

Since "moderators" isn't appropriate, I would like to create a new role called "Executive Board"...

Why is "moderators" inappropriate? Seems like a lot of work (for Mark) just to avoid using the word "moderator".

You could always make them (co)owners...

Chris

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Moderators is inappropriate because, wait for it, they don't moderate and the even the implication that the speech of our members is moderated is against the culture of the group.? And I can see use cases for other kinds of roles in addition to just {member, moderator, owner} for some groups.? For example, a group might have a separate set of members who manage their databases or their files.? For reference, I see this from a UNIX RBAC perspective, which permits an arbitrary number of roles.? .

That said, the answer to the question I actually asked is apparently no?

Best,

Glenn

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 10:59 am, Ken Schweizer wrote:

When rejecting a post via e-mail by forward the message to: BibleProphecy+delete

To reject a post, I'm pretty sure that would be +reject instead of +delete.? Delete just tosses the post in the bit bucket with no action taken.

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On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 12:00 pm, Glenn Glazer wrote:

Since "moderators" isn't appropriate, I would like to create a new role called "Executive Board"...

Why is "moderators" inappropriate? Seems like a lot of work (for Mark) just to avoid using the word "moderator".

You could always make them (co)owners...

Chris

Jim,

That's fine for those of us "in the know" but that punctuation is not
a standard outside Groups.io, so for new users the first two remain
ambiguous.

True, but that's more an argument for more documentation than an argument against using distinct punctuation.

Note that we're talking about a small use case: where someone copied or screen-shot from groups.io's web interface for use as an example or answer (or the like).

Otherwise the user would be seeing the format of their own choice, and if they're uncertain (or certain that it is wrong) hopefully the user would think to look at their own Account Preferences to see what choices are available in Groups.io.

Use of alpha month for those two would resolve it.

Only if you speak English. Or the language of choice, in some future world where Groups.io has localizations to other languages.

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Hi, all.

On our committee list, we do not do any moderation at all.? However, some members should have more power over the other features (specifically calendar) than others.

Since "moderators" isn't appropriate, I would like to create a new role called "Executive Board" or "EBoard", assign members to that role and then privileges only to that role.

Is this possible?

Thanks,

Glenn

On 30 Jun 2018 at 15:27, Shal Farley wrote:

Hi all,

This week's change log:



Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.


> NEW: Added DD.MM.YYYY date format preference.
> NEW: Group default subscription preferences for date and time display.

Yay, so now there are three unambiguous date formats. That is, you can
always tell which you're looking at by the punctuation:
DD.MM.YYYY
MM/DD/YYYY
YYYY-MM-DD (ISO-8601)

That's fine for those of us "in the know" but that punctuation is not a
standard outside Groups.io, so for new users the first two remain ambiguous.
Use of alpha month for those two would resolve it.

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Moderators and poll creators might not want to not reveal results which do not support an action that would be taken.

On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 11:09 pm, <dgrass1@...> wrote:

Can anyone explain to me why a poll would be made where the members could not see the results of their participation?

?It might be used as a "straw poll" or non-binding vote.? I've thought about using something like this to get an idea of whether group members would be interested in certain things.? One reason I'd do it this way is because many times folks just vote for the most popular answer without really thinking about the question.? I think not having the results available would be more indicative of true feelings on some groups.

I'm not sure if it would work, but I'd also consider making the results available (turning off this setting) once the poll was ready to be closed for most items.

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?Thanks.......... I understand now. ? I guess I will go through the database and put spaces in between?each word of a group's name. That would make the search work. ? Many have written their group's name without spaces because that is how it appears as their groups name in IO. ? ? I can see how it would be a low priority. Thanks for suggesting it in Beta. ? Ilene ? ? ? ? ?

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 06:42 am, magicalkingdomgroups@... wrote:

When I went to search to see if a particular group was listed in one of my databases and I plugged in a partial part of the group's name for instance Flying, nothing came up.

Correct. It's a word search, not a string search.

See the wiki entry at?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Using-the-Search-Engine? It's written for searching the message archive, but I believe the same engine is being used site-wide. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on that.

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No, search can't do partial searches.? The search term must be a complete "word" that's totally separate from other words.? If you search for Fly and the entry is FlyGuy, it won't find it.? If the entry were Fly Guy, it would.? In neither case would it find 'uy'.? I've asked for this on the beta group, but it's a low priority, so may not be implemented any time soon.? (One of my groups has a db with part numbers and finding a partial number would be a big help.)? For now, you might be better off editing the db to add spaces where appropriate.

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