Checking things for me, on adding (or editing) event I see dates and times in ISO date and 24 hour as expected/wanted/set in profile. For event times the default (pre-entered but overtypeable) to the give the current hour (i.e now, as I enter this at 10:07, from 10:00 to 11:00), with dropdown (if I use it rather than typing in directly) starting from 00:00. I'm happy with this - it's more or less what I expect. And when I click on the event (in the calendar, having added it), the date appears in 'long' format with 24-hour format time (Monday, June 25th, 2018 10:00 to 11:00) - I'm happy, but wondering why that date format? Does it come from a groups.io setting, or somewhere in my computer locale settings?

But hovering over the event, so I get a pop-up, some curiosities:
For short (1 hour) event within a day just the times (e.g. 10:00 - 11:00), with no date (whether today or not), and for zero time length events.
For short (1 hour) event straddling midnight both dates and times (eg 2018-06-25 23:30 - 2018-06-26 00:30)
For all day events, date and to following date, eg 2018-but 06-25 - 2018-06-26 for event all day today (25th) - this I consider incorrect, as distinct from a bad choice - but probably down to the end time being stored as 00:00 on D+1, not 24:00 on D.

So correct (expected) formats, but not what I would like and hope to have: date (always) and times - but for zero duration events, only the one time, for single day events just the one date, and for multi day all day events ending on the final day, not the following one.

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Dale,

I don't care how I got there, the result is what I need.

How you got there tells me something about what tools are available to you. No use suggesting things you can't do.

There are no moderators, 1 owner who is locked out (and I assume would
be if using PG Offline too) ...

Correct. Probably.

If he can't sign in then chances are that PG Offline would have no better luck presenting those same credentials. The one possibility would be if his inability to sign in has to do with browser issues or something other than not knowing his ID or password or his account being disabled for some reason.

Having hosted groups is nice in theory, but what happens when the
owner dies or goes on to other interests. It would also make
creating a group something that would require a significant amount of
technical skill.

True. Succession planning would be even more important with self-hosted software like PG Online, or a Mailman list, or the similar options out there. And a bit more selective, as the next in line would need to be able to handle the technology.

Our newly created groups.io group has 30 members. The Yahoo group had
652, though the PG Offline member import shows 628.

If you were a moderator you could export the members list from the Y!Group, and then use Direct Add to bring them all into the Groups.io group. On the Upgrade page click on View/Change Plan. One of the options there is the Group Transfer plan (Premium For One Month). That would allow you to use Direct Add a single $10 payment for a month's usage.

Or you could do that anyway, with all the email addresses you happen to have. That might be just people who posted, if you kept emails from the group.

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On 6/24/2018 11:37 AM, Shal Farley wrote:

Which suggests that you made the archive as a member, not a moderator. That is, I think Yahoo delivered the message content to PG Offline in "fig-leafed" form because the credentials you gave PG Offline were not those of a moderator.

I don't care how I got there, the result is what I need.?? Actually that is the essence of the problem with the group.? There are no moderators, 1 owner who is locked out (and I assume would be if using PG Offline too) and one deceased owner.

The post you referred me to is interesting, especially the other messages in the thread.?? The point of the possibility of a sale of groups.io similar to the sale of one list, is always a possibility in the future, but for now groups.io serves a need.? Having hosted groups is nice in theory, but what happens when the owner dies or goes on to other interests.?? It would also make creating a group something that would require a significant amount of technical skill.? As it is now, anyone can create a group on groups.io or Yahoo.?? My group is mostly an older demographic, as am I.? I think a forum would lose a lot of members.? Our newly created groups.io group has 30 members.? The Yahoo group had 652, though the PG Offline member import shows 628.?? Either a lot of them had "no email" set or have just lost interest.? I am hoping it steps up over the next few weeks.

Dale

On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 06:56 pm, Prasad Agrahar wrote:

I see a clickable button(?) on the left hand side second one from the top on some groups. I want to know how to create or insert. Thanks?

?Prasad,
The section about Member Notices in Help explains how it's works.

Admin > Settings > Member Notices
Create a new notice of the type "Guidelines".

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I see a clickable button(?) on the left hand side second one from the top on some groups. I want to know how to create or insert. Thanks?

On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 12:41 pm, Victoria wrote:

Date also still has the old version MM/DD/YYYY just as it did before

In his announcement of the change/addition, Mark mentioned that the date format only applies to last year and earlier on the message display.? For this year, it will still show Mmm DD, YYYY.? I just verified that this is the case.

Not sure why you're not seeing 24-hour in creating an event, it works for me.? The one thing I did notice is that the drop downs for Start and End always default to 00:00.

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Dale,

As to the suggestion below, the PG Offline html generator already does
that by replacing everything following the "@" with "..." effectively
masking the email.

That's not my experience.

Which suggests that you made the archive as a member, not a moderator. That is, I think Yahoo delivered the message content to PG Offline in "fig-leafed" form because the credentials you gave PG Offline were not those of a moderator.

It would be nice to sort them by thread though, but then again threads
can get hijacked with a new topic that would be out of place.

It would be nice to give the viewer the option of Message or Topic view, but that would require something more than a flat HTML file, something more like database-driven page generation.

Maybe you're headed in the direction of PG Online...


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Duane,

The same could apply to the calendar, but I haven't had a chance to
test it yet. I don't know how difficult it would be to have all time
displays based on a persons setting, such as within posts or events,
but probably not easy.

Everywhere the site displays a time (as opposed to user-text that happens to contain a time) it is already adjusted to the member's timezone. So using the member's format as well shouldn't be a big problem (just a testing chore to be sure Mark got them all).

Events are a bit different in that they have their own timezone. They are shown in the calendar adjusted to the member's local time, but reminder notices are sent with the text showing the event's timezone. I think in the calendar an event should show in the member's format preference as well. For notifications and reminders I'd say the receiving member's format preference should rule, even though their timezone doesn't.

Text within posts, or even the Description field of an event, I think is hopeless - it does not make sense to me to attempt recognizing and reformatting dates and times within user-written text.

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On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 03:34 am, Victoria wrote:

although in time display sub settings I chose "military time" which I suppose is the 24 hour version, I still see am and pm in calendar and messages.Maybe I missed a setting...

Keep in mind that some of the text in messages (such as the date/time in the quote reference above) is just that...text. Whatever was inserted by groups.io (or someone's email client) at the time it was created will remain unaffected by your account preferences.

Hope this helps,
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I also use 24-hour time.? There are some inconsistencies, such as when quoting a message.? I've thought about mentioning that on beta, but I think it could cause some head scratching when it switched back and forth within the group messages.? The same could apply to the calendar, but I haven't had a chance to test it yet.? I don't know how difficult it would be to have all time displays based on a persons setting, such as within posts or events, but probably not easy.

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In Account/Preferences make sure you also click on the Save Preferences button. This affects all groups when logged in under that account and viewing online.

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although in time display sub settings I chose "military time" which I suppose is the 24 hour version, I still see am and pm in calendar and messages.Maybe I missed a setting...
Victoria

Thanks again, Shal, for your suggestions.? As to the YMMV, sometimes the obvious passes us by.?? I used to handle medical cases as a lawyer and one physician once told me, "When you hear hoofbeats, don't go looking for Zebras."

As to the suggestion below, the PG Offline html generator already does that by replacing everything following the "@" with "..." effectively masking the email.?? I did the first year of messages and got about 329 messages taking up about 1 mb.? The top of the page contains a message index with internal links to the actual message.?? If I put them all on one page, they could be searched by using the "find on page" function.? It would be nice to sort them by thread though, but then again threads can get hijacked with a new topic that would be out of place.

Dale

Hi all,

This week's change log:



Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.

NEW: User preferences for date and time display formatting.

Yay! Finally ISO dates (YYYY-MM-DD) are supported, and a 24-hour clock, for those so inclined. The choices are in your Account preferences, coming soon to your group's Default Sub Settings (in the same way as Time Zone, I assume).

Mark is still looking for reports of quirks and bugs related to this change, so if you feel like exploring turn on those options and poke around. Looks like Michael and Duane nailed one today:



Comments about these others are also welcome:

NEW: Lock icons are now displayed for locked groups in the Your Groups
list, the My Groups page and the Subgroups page.
NEW: Support '答复:' as an indicator in the subject of a message
reply.
NEW: 'Ban Sender' button when viewing a pending message sent from a
non-member.
INTERNAL: Changed many operations that relied on Amazon S3 to make
them more reliable in the face of intermittent issues with S3
lately.
INTERNAL: Wrote a new utility to maintain the nginx domain config
files.
NEW: Work on preventing spam signups.

Please call out any you find significant.

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Yes, Mark saw the notes we put on beta and fixed it about 1600 CDT.

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Chris,

Seems silly to set up an indexed page containing nothing more than a
link to the GMF wiki!

True. You could surround the link with some group-specific introductory matter or anything else you want to say on the subject. Or, like GMF, you could abandon the index page in favor of a hand-crafted home page.

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Dale,

I am not sure Mark would be interested in getting our messages loaded,
considering his other concerns at this time.

You never know. If he's still working through a backlog of Y!Groups he might put you in the queue or just wait until things settle down.

What I was hoping for is a way to simply post my album with its
contents intact without having to create the album on groups.io and
then load it. With 260 albums, this is a bit of work.

Ah. Something that could be done if Mark built an importer that could take a (zip of a) PG Offline folder, starting at the .db3 files and including all the subfolders. Unfortunately I think he has said that he is not going to do that (anytime soon).

If it were documented you might be able to put your album folders and metadata (owner, dates, etc.) in the format Mark uses to capture Y!Group data, then it wouldn't be much work on his end to import it. I know he puts the metadata into json files, one per photo and one per album, so maybe some scripting could do the job, if one can figure out how to get the metadata out of PG Offline's database.

I checked the Yahoo site and it is a public group, so I don't think
this would be an issue.

Cool. Then at least putting them on a public web page wouldn't be violating anyone's privacy. You might want to redact or "fig-leaf" any email addresses in message bodies, to mimic the behavior of Yahoo Groups.

I am not familiar with the acronym YMMV. I assume that the Y is Yahoo
and the V is violation, but what is in between?

Nothing so scary: Your Mileage May Vary - just meaning that the general statement might apply differently or not at all to different circumstances.

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Hi, I'm a newbie on Groups.io and on this forum.? I had the same issue with the calendar yesterday.? Start time drop-down menu worked fine, but end time in some strange military time format that wouldn't work.? I found that I was able to manually type in the time (ex. 4:30pm) and it worked fine.

I just checked the calendar function and it seems to be corrected as of right now.

Thanks,
Maureen