Hi All,
Thank you all for the answers to my question (and sorry to Shal for cluttering up his email box when I sent this direct to him by mistake).
Regards,
Paul Fraser

Our archive is about 40,000 messages—has anyone transferred
anything of this size or greater? Problems?

What happens to the Yahoo side? I presume it is a copy of the
archive that is taken and the original one is left in place (I think we
would like to post digests from group.io to Yahoo so we have a
backup).

Paul Fraser

By the time I finally transferred my large group we were at about 82,000 messages. Everything came over okay, and of course the Yahoo side of things remained untouched. Mine was certainly not the largest group to move by any means.

I would suggest two things:

1) Don't allow posts to the new group until the transfer is complete. Otherwise the new posts get stuck into the old messages when ever they happen to come in to the transferring messages, and so are out of order. Just set the group to moderate all posts until the transfer is complete. When Mark moved my group the system was set up to tell the members they were part of the new group when members were transferred and before all the messages transferred. That has since been changed to avoid the problem.

2) Check for messages with an octothorpe in the title. (#) These will convert to hashtags, even if your group is set up to not use hashtags. They're easier to edit out before the transfer and convert to 'no.', 'number', or such.

I'm sure others have other things they've noticed.

Dano

Understand about muting by clicking on the link in an email. ? Is it possible to mute a topic any other way. ?Specifically, two options:

1) Group owner or moderator mutes a topic for all members OR

2) Member can mute a topic prior to receiving an email.

My reason - ?I want new members to go through the approval process when they join the group instead of waiting until they want to post something - so in case the owner or moderators are not immediately available. ?I have a topic created that a new member can reply to in order to go through the approval process as soon as possible. ?It would be disruptive for all members who choose to follow topics with individual emails to get an email every time a new member is approved.

Thanks,

John

Bruce,

Each subscriber account also has its own time zone, and many groups
have subscribers worldwide. Is the expectation that a single all-day
event will generate [up to] 24 different notices, one for each set of
subscribers in that zone?

I believe it does customize the content of the notice to reflect the member's timezone, but I don't expect that it would also stagger the delivery time.

That is, the event is considered to have a place and time; no matter where the recipient is in the world that doesn't change - only the recipient's time changes.

So, a notice set to go out at the time of the event should go out to everyone at once - but the time of day that is in each recipient's time zone will depend on the recipient's location setting.

One could argue that an "All Day" event should be defined as the day in each timezone - effectively a separate event in each timezone. But I think that way lies madness.

What happens with Google and other sites that attempt to do
calendaring?

Good question. For the most part I only experience Google's calendar from my own time zone, for events in my timezone; so I've never had to wonder about that overly much.

Shal


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On 5/13/2018 10:22, Shal Farley wrote:

(I think we would like to post digests from group.io to Yahoo so we
have a backup).

It may not be easy or even possible to get the Y!Group's posting address subscribed as a member of your Groups.io group (maybe with Direct Add?), but you could manually forward the digests to your Y!Group or set up an email filter to automatically forward them.

Shal

Another way to do this is to create an email account that forwards to the Y!Group and subscribe that account to the Groups.io group.

Best,

Glenn

Paul,

What happens to the Yahoo side? I presume it is a copy of the archive
that is taken and the original one is left in place

Correct. The transfer agent makes no changes to the Yahoo group.

(I think we would like to post digests from group.io to Yahoo so we
have a backup).

It may not be easy or even possible to get the Y!Group's posting address subscribed as a member of your Groups.io group (maybe with Direct Add?), but you could manually forward the digests to your Y!Group or set up an email filter to automatically forward them.

Shal


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160,000 from 20 years of Yahoo gulps.? All ok no issues.
I think that the? dying beast called Yahoo Groups is causing most of the issues currently with the intermittent nature of iis operation during its death throes
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On 5/13/2018 01:43, Paul Fraser via Groups.Io wrote:

No, not another post morning about the time this takes :)

Our archive is about 40,000 messages—has anyone transferred anything of this size or greater? Problems?

What happens to the Yahoo side? I presume it is a copy of the archive that is taken and the original one is left in place (I think we would like to post digests from group.io to Yahoo so we have a backup).

Paul Fraser

Hi, Paul.

Our group had over 140,000 messages on transfer.

Best,

Glenn

Thank you.? Yes, I realize my original question was a bit unclear.? The organization that would need the results would accept an email that was sent to the group with the results of the poll.? They are not on Groups.io at all and are an international organization that our group belongs to.? I don't think they would accept a document that an individual created from the results because the possibility of tampering is greater than just forwarding the email that was generated as a result of closing the poll.? Sorry for the confusion.

On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 08:22 pm, Mohamed Mounir wrote:

>>Is there a way to achieve this?

Not at this time.

>>Seems simple enough to do?

Lots of things seem simple but aren't. It may not even be legal. Considering the GDPR compliance ramifications, it may be best not to second-guess the intentions of your subscribers as to where their posts "should" appear.?

Hope this helps,
Bruce

On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 01:13 am, Shal Farley wrote:

Each event has a time zone, I'd expect the notice for an all day event to go out at midnight on the day of, in the timezone of the event. Of course that will be later in the day for timezones east of the event.

Each subscriber account also has its own time zone, and many groups have subscribers worldwide. Is the expectation that a single all-day event will generate [up to] 24 different notices, one for each set of subscribers in that zone? What happens with Google and other sites that attempt to do calendaring?

Bruce

No, not another post morning about the time this takes :)

Our archive is about 40,000 messages—has anyone transferred anything of this size or greater? Problems?

What happens to the Yahoo side? I presume it is a copy of the archive that is taken and the original one is left in place (I think we would like to post digests from group.io to Yahoo so we have a backup).

Paul Fraser

On 05/13/2018 05:02 AM, Shal Farley wrote:

think a certain member would have the answers,

Thinking out loud... It could simply forward the message to them, but
that might be pretty annoying on the receiving end if a bunch of members
all thought of you. So maybe it should be limited to one such
notification per topic per day to a given member.

I've probably received half a dozen such emails this month, that were
marked as read, despite never being opened. I'd probably answer them, if
there was something that can be easily filtered on (^1).

I've read at least five such emails this month, that I didn't have time
to adequately answer when read, and am unable to find today. :(

The issue being that there is nothing that can be filtered on, that
doesn't have either an unacceptably high "false positive" rate, or an
equally unacceptable "false negative" rate. Granted, the email filtering
tools of 2018 are absolutely primitive, compared to what was available
in 1998.

At present I think you'd have to use an off-list email message to that member.

That might work, if the email is neither a CC nor a BCC. Gmail has a
tendency to delete emails that contain the same Message-ID.

OTOH, for most of my email addresses, if a message precedence isn't
"bulk", "list", or "junk", it gets auto-deleted, and thus, the separate
email would never reach me.


^1: It seems utterly bizarre to me, that email filtering in 1998 could
do more things, more easily, than in 2018.


jonathon

Abby,

Sorry for the delayed reply.

Our calendar Timezone is set to Eastern Time (UTC - 5:00).

Our all-day events are marked to send a *notice* when the event
occurs. This seems to be sent at 3 PM Eastern time, ...

My group is Pacific, and the notices arrive at 12:00 am the day of an all-day event - which is what I'd expect.

If yours had arrived at 3 am I'd have assumed that maybe there was a bug and the notice was sent at Pacific time because that's the default for Groups.io (headquartered in California). But 3 pm is just... mysterious.

1) Is there a way to change this for notices or do I need to change
all the events to send reminders instead of notices?

Each event has a time zone, I'd expect the notice for an all day event to go out at midnight on the day of, in the timezone of the event. Of course that will be later in the day for timezones east of the event.

Maybe if your group is worldwide you need to set all day events to the furthest east: (UTC+13:00) Samoa.

I realize that I can try a couple of events to work this out myself
but I don't want to jam our members' Inboxes, so it would be helpful
to know when this event occurs.

If you haven't already worked it out, feel free to experiment in my test group, there you'll not disturb anyone.


If you have already worked it out, please report your results.

Shal


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Mohamed,

I'm not sure if it is possible, but does anyone know if you can tag
certain users in a certain topic or message?

There's no feature like that, but I think that's a good idea. You might want to post it in the official "suggestion box" (the beta list):


What exactly would the feature do?

Thinking out loud... It could simply forward the message to them, but that might be pretty annoying on the receiving end if a bunch of members all thought of you. So maybe it should be limited to one such notification per topic per day to a given member.

It should certainly feed in to the future notification system (the long awaited "notification overhaul" - which is hoped to handle notifications for both web and email users), but maybe it could be a stand-alone feature until then.

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At present I think you'd have to use an off-list email message to that member. As a moderator/owner you can initiate such a message from the group's Members list. As a group member you may be able to make a direct message from the group's Directory - if that feature is enabled in the group and if that the member in question has made their profile visible to you in the directory.

And of course if you use the site by email you could forward the message of interest to that person directly, assuming you know their email address (perhaps from a previous posting by that person).

Shal


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I'm not sure if it is possible, but does anyone know if you can tag certain users in a certain topic or message? You might read a message and you think a certain member would have the answers, it would be nice if you can tag them cause they might have emails turned off, not notice the message, or not following the topic...

Is there a way to achieve this?

I have members (especially new) posting in the parent group even though it should be in the subgroup and vice versa. Maybe it can be both but a Moderator might believe it is better suited in a certain area.

Seems simple enough to do?

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John,

At Duane's suggestion, I've created an updated and corrected version
of this procedure in the wiki:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Direct-Add-From-Yahoo

I've added a link to it on the Wiki home page, and added some introductory material.

Shal


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Tom,

... is quite annoying to get bounced email just because a user or
message was already approved.

I find this so disconcerting that I've ceased (for the most part) approving by email (as I still do frequently for Y!Groups). That works for me because I'm either at a desktop or smartphone and in either case getting to the Pending list is a single click on the included link. YMMV.

How about just accepting the email and killing it instead of bouncing
it.

Suggest it in beta and see if Mark does it or comments on it.

I'm not sure if I'd be lured back to approve-by-email now. I've grown accustomed to seeing the list of pending messages and maybe noticing
duplicate or follow-on messages by the same member in the same topic.

So much so that I've not reported the bug that the link invariably brings
me to the list rather than the message in question - contrary to the
apparent intention.

Shal


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