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What if you don't get to doing that before aol starts its thing??
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On Sep 24, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Cacky B < cackyb@...> wrote:
However, onerous as it may be, checking that spam message in the
browser regularly does solve that problem.? I simply mark the
appropriate posts "OK" and aol moves them to my inbox, at which
point my email client downloads them.? If I choose to delete them
at that point, there would be no problem.
Cacky
On 9/23/2016 9:43 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
" The
problem arises when the email service itself determines that a
list message is spam and places the message in the user's Spam
folder."
Yes, that is
the problem. And it's a big one.
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Re: Unsubscribe to this newsletter
However, onerous as it may be, checking that spam message in the
browser regularly does solve that problem.? I simply mark the
appropriate posts "OK" and aol moves them to my inbox, at which
point my email client downloads them.? If I choose to delete them
at that point, there would be no problem.
Cacky
On 9/23/2016 9:43 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
" The
problem arises when the email service itself determines that a
list message is spam and places the message in the user's Spam
folder."
Yes, that is
the problem. And it's a big one.
J [excess quote trimmed by moderator]
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Re: Setting up a new group.
Go to and click on "find or create a group." Simple. J
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 4:30 AM, The Ingle family. <inglefamily@...> wrote:
Hello again,?
After years of battling with Yahoo, with the help of Shal and the group, I've decided to test run an IO group. I know I'm being very dim here, apologies, but I can't even?find how?to do that. I have read the wiki page!?
Best wishes,
Jill?
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" The problem arises when the email service itself determines that a list message is spam and places the message in the user's Spam folder."
Yes, that is the problem. And it's a big one.
J [excess quote trimmed by moderator]
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Hello again,?
After years of battling with Yahoo, with the help of Shal and the group, I've decided to test run an IO group. I know I'm being very dim here, apologies, but I can't even?find how?to do that. I have read the wiki page!?
Best wishes,
Jill?
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As I'm sure all are aware, verizon recently purchased aol. Consequently my email (using the verizon.net address) now must be retrieved through aol. I am not thrilled with this situation, but it is what it is, and I have learned, even though I use an email client that automatically downloads my email, to open my email account in my browser every morning, sign on and check my spam folder and carefully mark anything that should not be considered spam. I keep the account open in my browser throughout the day, checking it off and on. Obviously it is an extra step, but for those who are on aol or verizon, it might be worthwhile as it will avoid the type of problem described below.
Cacky
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On 9/23/2016 6:50 PM, Shal Farley wrote: Jennifer,
Mark, Mark Fletcher is not a member of GMF. Though he could see the messages since they are public.
Maybe it's worth taking another look at the user interface / graphic
layout on the notification-you've-been-added emails to make sure
there's not a trap for the lazy / unwary reader.
I've had the same thing happen to me on a couple of occasions --I
receive notifications that new users who have APPLIED to JOIN one of
my groups are instantly unsubscribed by "marking a message as spam" Are you suspecting that the users marked the group's Welcome message itself, or some other notification, as spam? If you have a specific suggestion for improved language or design I'm sure he would welcome it in beta@.
Another concern came up in the discussion here: there's a suspicion that some email services (perhaps including Y!Mail and AOL) will send a feedback report if a user deletes a message while it is still in the Spam folder, or even if they allow it to expire (be automatically deleted after a set time) in the spam folder.
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/684
In such services it would be necessary for the user to check their Spam folder from time to time and explicitly mark any message that lands there from a group subscription as "Not Spam" to prevent being automatically unsubscribed.
Shal
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J (and Jennifer), This has to do with the new workaround for services like AOL (which
was the first to receive this treatment, after not cooperating with
Groups.io, as I recall) which create some sort of feedback loop when
messages are marked as spam, whether accidental or not. Not so much a work-around, as acquiescence to the demands of the email services. Some are taking a hard line towards email lists when their content is deemed to be spam - whether automatically determined or by user action. Those email services offer to notify the list owner (in this case the site owner, Groups.io, not the individual group owners) when a message from the list is determined to be spam. If the list doesn't take corrective action to stop sending such messages then the email service may begin to reject (bounce) the list messages rather than deliver them to the user's spam folder. The obvious corrective action for a subscriber that explicitly markes a list message as spam is to unsubscribe them. Subscribers should learn not to do that. The problem arises when the email service itself determines that a list message is spam and places the message in the user's Spam folder. Then the subscriber may never notice the misdirected message, and be taken by complete surprise when they are automatically unsubscribed from the list. Ideally the email services should treat an automatic determination (and automatic expiration from the spam folder) as benign - not an actionable event. At the very least they should report it to the email list with some kind of distinction from cases where the user explicitly marked the message as spam. Unfortunately, Groups.io has very little influence on the behavior of major email services. Mark reported a situation where he suspected that AOL's widespread rejection of messages from Groups.io was tied to the fact that Groups.io was not acting on the feedback reports. This prompted him to turn the processing back on, first for AOL and later for other services. Shal
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Jennifer, Mark, Mark Fletcher is not a member of GMF. Though he could see the messages since they are public. Maybe it's worth taking another look at the user interface / graphic
layout on the notification-you've-been-added emails to make sure
there's not a trap for the lazy / unwary reader.
I've had the same thing happen to me on a couple of occasions --I
receive notifications that new users who have APPLIED to JOIN one of
my groups are instantly unsubscribed by "marking a message as spam" Are you suspecting that the users marked the group's Welcome message itself, or some other notification, as spam? If you have a specific suggestion for improved language or design I'm sure he would welcome it in beta@. Another concern came up in the discussion here: there's a suspicion that some email services (perhaps including Y!Mail and AOL) will send a feedback report if a user deletes a message while it is still in the Spam folder, or even if they allow it to expire (be automatically deleted after a set time) in the spam folder. /g/GroupManagersForum/message/684In such services it would be necessary for the user to check their Spam folder from time to time and explicitly mark any message that lands there from a group subscription as "Not Spam" to prevent being automatically unsubscribed. Shal /g/Group_Help/g/GroupManagersForum
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This has to do with the new workaround for services like AOL (which was the first to receive this treatment, after not cooperating with Groups.io, as I recall) which create some sort of feedback loop when messages are marked as spam, whether accidental or not. I never quite understood it, but here's the thread in beta about it.
/g/beta/topic/fbl_turned_on_for_aol_com/2514294?p=,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,aol,20,2,0,2514294
On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Jennifer Christian <jhchristian@...> wrote: Mark,
Maybe it's worth taking another look at the user interface / graphic layout on the notification-you've-been-added emails to make sure there's not a trap for the lazy / unwary reader.
I've had the same thing happen to me on a couple of occasions --I receive notifications that new users who have APPLIED to JOIN one of my groups are instantly unsubscribed by "marking a message as spam" .
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:GroupManagersForum@groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharon Villines
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 3:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [GMF] Unsubscribe to this newsletter
I have two members who were unsubscribed because ¡°they marked a message from this group as spam.¡±
Neither did this. The only thing we can figure out is that the accidentally clicked the button for unsubscribing to a newsletter.
The communication is oblique in this one instance. I am notified of all subs and unsubs so I was able to catch it have them resubscribe.
List Mum
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Where Everyone Trims Their Tails,
Smothers Flames, Ignores Trolls, and
Never Sends Private Messages to the List.
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I cannot explain how this happens, but there are "forces" out there on the internet between the sender of messages and recipients, could be ISPs or the like that mark messages as spam and if the sender, who made no such marking loses group membership, this is not fair or right. That reason for loss of membership should not continue in my opinion. I would not be surprised to learn that AOL is one of the culprits behind this spam labeling. All except those in Anctartica have a great weekend, I am assuming we have no members from Anctartica. <g>
Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@...
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On Fri, 23 Sep 2016, Sharon Villines wrote: I have two members who were unsubscribed because ¡°they marked a message from this group as spam.¡±
Neither did this. The only thing we can figure out is that the accidentally clicked the button for unsubscribing to a newsletter.
The communication is oblique in this one instance. I am notified of all subs and unsubs so I was able to catch it have them resubscribe.
List Mum
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TakomaDC@...
Where Everyone Trims Their Tails,
Smothers Flames, Ignores Trolls, and
Never Sends Private Messages to the List.
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Re: Unsubscribe to this newsletter
Mark,
Maybe it's worth taking another look at the user interface / graphic layout on the notification-you've-been-added emails to make sure there's not a trap for the lazy / unwary reader.
I've had the same thing happen to me on a couple of occasions --I receive notifications that new users who have APPLIED to JOIN one of my groups are instantly unsubscribed by "marking a message as spam" .
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of Sharon Villines Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 3:33 PM To: [email protected]Subject: [GMF] Unsubscribe to this newsletter I have two members who were unsubscribed because ¡°they marked a message from this group as spam.¡± Neither did this. The only thing we can figure out is that the accidentally clicked the button for unsubscribing to a newsletter. The communication is oblique in this one instance. I am notified of all subs and unsubs so I was able to catch it have them resubscribe. List Mum ---- TakomaDC@... Where Everyone Trims Their Tails, Smothers Flames, Ignores Trolls, and Never Sends Private Messages to the List.
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I have two members who were unsubscribed because ¡°they marked a message from this group as spam.¡±
Neither did this. The only thing we can figure out is that the accidentally clicked the button for unsubscribing to a newsletter.
The communication is oblique in this one instance. I am notified of all subs and unsubs so I was able to catch it have them resubscribe.
List Mum
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TakomaDC@...
Where Everyone Trims Their Tails,
Smothers Flames, Ignores Trolls, and
Never Sends Private Messages to the List.
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Re: Testing a group before transferring
#transfer
Transferring my list was seamless¡ª 3,000+ members and 12 years of archives. Communication with our members was also perfect. Only 2 people have asked about how to send messages to the new address.
Sharon
TakomaDC
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On Sep 23, 2016, at 12:16 AM, Jeff Powell <jrpstonecarver@...> wrote:
Hi Gina,
Just FYI, I am one of 3 moderators of a 1750ish member group that is migrating over here from Yahoo Groups very shortly... tomorrow, I think.
My experience so far has been overwhelmingly positive. Most things just work, and in the rare case where we've had an issue, Mark - the primary, and possibly only - developer here has been exceptionally responsive. The few things that have caused us a bit of heartache have been discussed (here or in @beta) and more than a couple have been resolved with updates to the site. That's all happened in the last 4 weeks or so.
We're confident enough with what we've seen to pull the trigger and start the migration. And I think many of the users you'll meet here (and in @beta) have had similar experiences. Also, we've decided to pay the $10 a month to keep Mark in Pepsi and Oreos (or whatever fuel it is that keeps him hopping. Coffee and donuts? Red Bull and Red Vines? We don't know, and we don't judge. :)
While there are no guarantees in life, we've been poking around here for long enough to think groups.io is pretty solid, and feels like a large step up from Y!G.
I hope it works out well for you!
--jeffp
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Re: Groups.io -- set up and features video tutorials
#howtoguide
Hi Neil, If you have ever used another email group system - particularly Yahoo Groups or Google Groups - you'll find a lot of commonality in groups.io. Mostly it is self explanatory, so the best advice is to create a test group, get a few people to help you test it out, and go to town. Kick the tires. Send messages, read them in email and in the groups.io UI, reply in both places, try the various options for things. Knock yourself out and see how it goes in a group you don't care about. Many of us here have done that already ourselves, so we kind of see how things work (many more than me... I'm new here myself) but that's the best way to learn. If you have specific questions about things and can't figure them out, this is a good group to ask them in. Also @Group_Help. If you have suggestions or the service overall, visit @beta to make them. Good luck! --jeffp
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Re: Testing a group before transferring
#transfer
Hi Gina, Just FYI, I am one of 3 moderators of a 1750ish member group that is migrating over here from Yahoo Groups very shortly... tomorrow, I think. My experience so far has been overwhelmingly positive. Most things just work, and in the rare case where we've had an issue, Mark - the primary, and possibly only - developer here has been exceptionally responsive. The few things that have caused us a bit of heartache have been discussed (here or in @beta) and more than a couple have been resolved with updates to the site. That's all happened in the last 4 weeks or so. We're confident enough with what we've seen to pull the trigger and start the migration. And I think many of the users you'll meet here (and in @beta) have had similar experiences. Also, we've decided to pay the $10 a month to keep Mark in Pepsi and Oreos (or whatever fuel it is that keeps him hopping. Coffee and donuts? Red Bull and Red Vines? We don't know, and we don't judge. :) While there are no guarantees in life, we've been poking around here for long enough to think groups.io is pretty solid, and feels like a large step up from Y!G. I hope it works out well for you! --jeffp
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Re: Testing a group before transferring
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Thanks to all who replied. I am excited to try Groups.io. I am off to start my test group. Gina
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Can anyone tell me how to go about printing a database?
Deb Claffey New England Wax
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Re: Testing a group before transferring
#transfer
Jennifer, Yes you can set up a test group. BUT think before naming it. Once a
group name has been used, it becomes unavailable without jumping
through some significant hoops. I think there is a simple way around that: rename the group before deleting it. I believe that in a rename the old name becomes available immediately instead of being reserved. NOTE: There is no obvious way for group owners to delete old
messages, so your test messages will remain in the archive. Not so. If you're a moderator with the "Edit Archives" privilage, or an owner, you can delete individual messages using the "More" menu when you open a specific message, or when see a list of messages in Topic View or Expanded View. You can also delete a whole topic by opening the topic and clicking the Edit Topic button at the top then the red Delete Topic button on the edit page. Shal
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Re: Testing a group before transferring
#transfer
Gina, Can I start a new group and invite a few people for testing purposes
and play around with the functionality for a few days/weeks. And then
transfer a Yahoo Group into my Groups.io group after a few weeks? As Joeseph and J said, yes you can. In fact you need to create your Groups.io group before you can start the transfer (copy). There is no time limit for initiating the transfer. I say "copy" above because nothing is changed in your Yahoo Group - memberships and messages are copied. There are some things you'll want to prepare in advance. If you want your Y!Group members to automatically receive a message from you welcoming them to Groups.io you can do that by customizing the Welcome message, in the Member Notices tab of your group's Settings page. You can also set default subscription options for new members in the Default Sub Settings tab, but be aware that each Y!Group member's Email Delivery setting will be copied from their Yahoo Group membership, superseding the default you set. Each Y!Group member's posting privilege (Use Group setting, Moderated override, Unmoderated override, or Can't Post override) will also be copied over. Shal
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Re: Testing a group before transferring
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I also did a test transfer of a yahoo test group I had.? J
Sent from my iPhone Hello, Yes, you can create a test group and test various features before transferring the ¡°real¡± group. Cheers, Joseph
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Jill Ingle
Shal Farley
Jennifer Christian