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Re: Yahoo Groups Transfer Timeframe

 

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Hello Peter,


Part if not most of the transfer process is manual.? The person who does this process, Mark, was on vacation last week I think until or through yesterday.? As well any other person in the queue ahead of you would go first.? That is the reason for the lengthy delay.


Doug



From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Peter J. McKinney <peter.j.mckinney@...>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 8:53 PM
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Subject: [GMF] Yahoo Groups Transfer Timeframe
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Hello -

I am new to and this forum. ?I am attempting to transfer a Yahoo Group to and am not having success so far. ? I have created the new/replacement geoup in , initiated the transfer process at?/yahootransfer, and invited the user?[email protected] to the Yahoo group. ?So far I have waited about a week with no response. ?The only information about a delay is posted on the page at?/yahootransfer?but it suggests a delay of a few days. ?I emailed?[email protected] late last week to inquire but so far have not heard back other than the auto-reply acknowledging receipt of the email. ?

Does anybody here have any insight into what the current Yahoo Group transfer time frame is and/or what I should expect in terms of responses from?[email protected]?

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide to this newbie,

- Pete
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Re: Automatic Distribution of Messages

 

Bruce,

When we are ready to make the transition, we can not use your automatic transfer method because we have over 7800 registered accounts. We are certain that many of these accounts are unused due to people moving out of our community, etc.

I would recommend using the automated transfer anyway.

Firstly because you can uncheck the box for copying your group members, and have just the content copied. But beware: content in both Yahoo Groups and Groups.io is "owned" by the member who uploaded the content. If the matching email address is not in the Groups.io group then the ownership info is lost, and the item becomes attributed to the person who initiated the transfer. For this reason it is best to let the transfer agent copy over the membership so that as much of the content remains properly attributed as possible.

Secondly, those Y!Group members who have "Bouncing" status will be skipped when copying the members. That alone will trim a lot of your deadwood (though you may mean you have 7800 non-bouncing members). Immediately after the copy operation a number of the copied members will likely get "Bouncing" status in Groups.io. That's because Y!Groups bounce tracking mechanism has been unreliable for some time, and Groups.io will pick up the ones Y!Groups missed. It is also possible in some cases that an email service might reject messages from Groups.io where it had been accepting them from Y!Groups.

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Re: Yahoo Groups Transfer Timeframe

 

Welcome, Pete!
The problem is most likely that you've managed to request a transfer coinciding with the couple weeks Mark has taken off for vacation. While part of the transfer may be automated, Mark has to manually perform the act of joining the group because of the 'captcha'. He should be back in a few days and you should see some activity soon.

Dano

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Hello -
I am new to Groups.io and this forum. I am attempting to transfer a Yahoo Group to Groups.io and am not having success so far. I have created the new/replacement geoup in Groups.io, initiated the transfer process at /yahootransfer, and invited the user [email protected] to the Yahoo group. So far I have waited about a week with no response. The only information about a delay is posted on the page at /yahootransfer but it suggests a delay of a few days. I emailed [email protected] late last week to inquire but so far have not heard back other than the auto-reply acknowledging receipt of the email.

Does anybody here have any insight into what the current Yahoo Group transfer time frame is and/or what I should expect in terms of responses from [email protected]?

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide to this newbie,

- Pete
Re: Include prior text in email replies?

 

DanHartfordPhoto,

Is there a setting which causes original email text to be included when replying?
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There is not a setting, but when replying in the Message section there are two ways to do it. See:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Message-composition-tips-and-tricks

When replying by email that's entirely up to the member's email interface. Except in the case of using the "Reply To xxxx" links in the footer of messages - in which case it basically isn't possible.

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Re: Reply to sender or group or . . .

 

Bruce,

Under Settings/ Message Policies there is an option to set "Reply To" to Group, Sender, Moderators, or Group and Sender." Where is this applied?

It controls the content of a Reply-To: field placed in the header of each outbound (individual) email message. This field is used by most email interfaces to control the behavior of the default Reply function.
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In general, I would want replies to only go out to the group and not the sender of the reply, or does that mean sender of the original message?

It means sender of the original message.
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Since they are part of the group, why would they not receive it anyway?

Depends on their email delivery choice. If they are on Digest they might not get it for some hours; if they are on Special Notice or No Email they wouldn't at all (not counting reading it in the group's Messages).

I do see that this setting governs to button behavior in the web interface, with the button text for reply changing to whatever option is set. Why not just have buttons for each of these actions?

That was done for a while, but many moderators complained that it was too easy for the member to click the "wrong" one by inattention, so the present scheme was devised to make the group's setting more prominent by "hiding" the other choice.

Finally, our messages in general have a "Reply to sender" link in the the email, but we had one go out today with the footer below that was missing the link. Do these links get changed for plain text vs html email?

Yes, the content of the footer is different for plain text messages than formatted (HTML) ones. Avoiding this inconsistency is one reason a group might check the Force HTML Emails box in the Message Formatting section of the group's Settings page.

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Re: Reply to sender - curious ?

 

Bonnie,

I wanted to thank someone for the reply to my post, so instead of bogging down the group, I clicked 'Reply to sender'. Well, all it did was open up a blank email, with address of 'sender' in To field.

That's about all it can do.

The specifics of how a "mailto:" link are handled will depend on your operating system, your email interface, and how the two are configured. Presetting the To and the Subject fields is all that is compatible with most systems.

To have the prior message quoted for you you'd need to click View/Reply Online and post your message there.

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Yahoo Groups Transfer Timeframe

 

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Hello -

I am new to and this forum. ?I am attempting to transfer a Yahoo Group to and am not having success so far. ? I have created the new/replacement geoup in , initiated the transfer process at?/yahootransfer, and invited the user?[email protected] to the Yahoo group. ?So far I have waited about a week with no response. ?The only information about a delay is posted on the page at?/yahootransfer?but it suggests a delay of a few days. ?I emailed?[email protected] late last week to inquire but so far have not heard back other than the auto-reply acknowledging receipt of the email. ?

Does anybody here have any insight into what the current Yahoo Group transfer time frame is and/or what I should expect in terms of responses from?[email protected]?

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide to this newbie,

- Pete
Re: Automatic Distribution of Messages

 

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 05:47 pm, Bruce Birnel wrote:
On our old Yahoo egroup, there is a feature whereby we can upload a text document and have that document automatically sent out to the entire membership once a month. We can also have that document automatically sent out to new members upon joining the group. I can not figure out how to do this on?.?
Go to Admin->Settings and click the Member Notices tab at the top of the page. Create a new notice of type Group Guidelines. There are checkboxes for "send on join" and "send monthly to group."

Hope this helps,
Bruce
Re: emails to group instead of sender #issue

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seems like this thread I started still has traction.
Events reply to the group. Note the period.
?You can? reply to sender only on?messages, not events.

Check the hashtag reply settings for cal-invite, and cal-reminder.
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Automatic Distribution of Messages

Bruce Birnel
 

I have just set up a new egroup on?. I have been and still am an owner of other groups ?on Yahoo groups. We have been very unhappy with Yahoo for many years now and would like to transfer our membership over to?. When we are ready to make the transition, we can not use your automatic transfer method because we have over 7800 registered accounts. We are certain that many of these accounts are unused due to people moving out of our community, etc. What we plan to do is to have people sign up as new members so that when the sign-ups are complete, we will be assured that all the accounts are being used.

In the meantime, the present moderators and owners of the Yahoo egroup, have already joined our new??account. I am trying to duplicate the services that we¡¯ve had on the yahoo egroup and have run into a problem. On our old Yahoo egroup, there is a feature whereby we can upload a text document and have that document automatically sent out to the entire membership once a month. We can also have that document automatically sent out to new members upon joining the group. I can not figure out how to do this on?. Would appreciate any advice here.
Re: Yahoo email issues?

 

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Hi Annick,

I had some issues with a member of my group who has a yahoo e-mail address. groups.io received notifications that groups.io messages sent to that user's Yahoo e-mail address were marked as spam, and thus removed them from my group. I received an e-mail notification that this happened and followed up with the user. Wondering if maybe this is what happened with your user?

I resolved the issue by sending an invite to the user via their Yahoo e-mail address to join the group again. That worked to get her back in, and the problem hasn't happened again. If she tried to rejoin on her own, groups.io said she was already a member of the group.

Lisa

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? Yahoo email issues?
From: Annick Phillips
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 17:29:59 PDT

One of? the members on an IO group where I am a moderator had a Yahoo email address. Everything was fine for a while, but all of a sudden, one day, she could not sign into any of her IO groups with that email address. She kept getting a notice that she was not a member of the group. So she rejoined both groups using an AOL email address and all is working well right now. But she would really rather keep using her Yahoo email for her IO groups so she can keep the messages separate from her other emails.
?? So my question is, have any of you had members having issues logging in when they have a Yahoo email address? I know the whole Yahoo system has been erratic lately and I wonder if that was the cause.
Annick

Re: emails to group instead of sender #issue

 

Well I've poked around and still can't figure it out. All I'm trying to get is a "Reply to sender" link in the emails that are sent, since my group members are already familiar with the footer in Yahoo groups. As it stands, some messages (perhaps HTML) do end up with the link and others do not (perhaps plain text messages.)? I am concerned I need to poke around to figure this out. I would hope the settings and behavior that result from them would be well documented, but the FAQ/help seems vague and the results in our experience are unpredictable.?
Re: Digest content problem

Paul Fraser
 

Bruce, Shal,
Thanks for your responses. I'll have a look into filing a bug report.
Paul Fraser
Re: Member Subscription Request Email Stream

 

Ah those clever spamming nefarious group moderators - I wouldn't have considered the possibility of using a modifiable address confirmation email as a spamming vehicle.?
Still, I think it is important to set clear expectations early and often, and the address confirmation email could do a better job telling people "why" and - in the case of a restricted group with "Pending Subscription" notice - what they need to look for and do next.
I'll post something over on Beta.
Thanks for the explanation - John
Re: Moderator Privileges

 

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Bruce wrote:

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If you go into each Moderator's settings and uncheck "Set Moderator Privileges" in the Permissions section, they should not be able to make most of these changes. At least that's the way it worked in my group, tested just now using my secondary account.

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Thanks, Bruce,

but Notifications and Owner-Email are still visible to the moderators even though ¡°set moderator privileges¡± is unchecked. O.k. Then this is how it is¡­

Victoria

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Include prior text in email replies?

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Hi,

Is there a setting which causes original email text to be included when replying?
Re: Reply to sender - curious ?

 

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No, it is supposed to put the sender's email address in the to field, however you could just I think hit reply all and then just ?cut the sender's email out of the cc field and paste it in the to field. I do this ?all the time on other lists I'm subscribed to.

On Apr 30, 2018, at 9:54 AM, Bonnie :-) <sparkle30906@...> <sparkle30906@...> wrote:

I wanted to thank someone for the reply to my post, so instead of bogging down the group, I clicked 'Reply to sender'. Well, all it did was open up a blank email, with address of 'sender' in To field.
Is that the way it's supposed to be, with everything else blank?

Bonnie
Reply to sender or group or . . .

 

I've moved my group to groups.io and love it. I'm not really understanding the options for reply though. Under Settings/ Message Policies there is an option to set "Reply To" to Group, Sender, Moderators, or Group and Sender." Where is this applied? In general, I would want replies to only go out to the group and not the sender of the reply, or does that mean sender of the original message? Since they are part of the group, why would they not receive it anyway?

I do see that this setting governs to button behavior in the web interface, with the button text for reply changing to whatever option is set. Why not just have buttons for each of these actions? Can't we give the user a choice? Great to have policy to override that if makes sense for some groups, but I see no way to have all of these actions appear.

Finally, our messages in general have a "Reply to sender" link in the the email, but we had one go out today with the footer below that was missing the link. Do these links get changed for plain text vs html email? Looks like the member's email was sent as plain text.

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Re: Moderator Privileges

 

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 09:23 am, Victoria wrote:

I check moderator?s privileges so that not all moderators shall get owner-emails. ?This you can do by choosing ¡°none¡±. This done I realize that this doesn?t really work, for moderators themselves can just change it to ¡°all mails¡± if they like. I?m not talking about their personal subscription to receive all emails or daily summary. I?m talking about the privileges.

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Same with ¡°±·´Ç³Ù¾±´Ú¾±³¦²¹³Ù¾±´Ç²Ô²õ¡± or ¡°±Ê±ð°ù³¾¾±²õ²õ¾±´Ç²Ô²õ¡±. I thought I as owner can decide which notification or permission each moderator should have individually. But there too, moderators can just check all of them, if they want to. Since my moderators have very different tasks to deal with, an individual setting for each of them is necessary. But what good is this if they can just undo it or change it as they like?

If you go into each Moderator's settings and uncheck "Set Moderator Privileges" in the Permissions section, they should not be able to make most of these changes. At least that's the way it worked in my group, tested just now using my secondary account.

Like Chris, everyone in my group who really needs to do anything essentially has Owner status; Moderators are moderators in name only. But don't let us tell you how to run your group. I suspect these settings must have some usefulness for some people, otherwise they wouldn't exist.

Hope this helps,
Bruce
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