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If you delete a group, that group name can't be reused for some indefinite time.? Best to just rename it on the Settings page.? You'll also need to correct it in the Welcome message.

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If you did not get too far, go get the name you want
and forget or delete the one with the error.
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You seem to be able to change it in Admin, Settings,
General, but maybe not.

What you want has to be available of course.

Rick, I'm kinda new here...

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 04:54 am, dash wrote:

I misspelled the name of the group I am creating.? How do I fix that?

The simplest thing to do, if you haven't gotten too far into the process, is to hit the "Delete Group" button at the bottom of the Settings page and start over.

Otherwise, see?/g/GroupManagersForum/message/4029?and subsequent messages in the thread.

Bruce

We have members who are not part of the "predefined" list of mail servers that require "via group.io" address modification.? Is there a way to either force it for all members (similar to Yahoo) or at least for those who are having issues?? I see 2 places where this is necessary: the user's server has an SPF record associated with it which does not include groups.io or the user's server does not allow internal email addresses originated externally.? In both cases, it is extremely important to be able to "turn on" the "via groups.io" functionality.

Re:?/g/GroupManagersForum/message/7208
This works too, (above), keeps quoting and the archives small, but
is no good to people off line or reading in email program downloads.

"leave a little" is the best answer, but hard to sell, and harder yet to
get "everyone" to do...

Rick

On 10 Apr 2018 at 9:42, Patrick 2E0ETF wrote:

i just had an issue with another groups.io group where we were having a number
of replies to a Message. i responded to another member?s reply directed at me.
Now another member has complained that when I reply I should have quoted the
message that I replied to.

my response is that the message was part of a thread and expanding the message
shows all the messages. Several other members agreed.?

It is always better to include enough of the message you are replying to to
show the context and clarify the meaning of your message. You may read messages
on the web site, where the whole thread/topic is available, but many, including
me, use an email client and rarely if ever visit the web site. That means the
only context we have is what is shown on your message. I sometimes find replies
sent with nothing quoted are completely meaningless to me for that reason.

Jim Fisher

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Thanks everyone,
Obviously I haven't gotten to the point of trying to add a lot of members in my test group yet. I'm going off of what I see on the screens and in discussion. So I'm learning a whole lot from all of you.

As far as bulk add, yep, I plan to get the transfer routine to set up the subgroups as far as it can. But I may need to add the main membership to a new subgroup every other month depending on how I end up having to organize subgroups - which is why I asked for a new feature allowing subgroups to have their own subgroups. It sounds like we may have work arounds for the add so I'll try them out when I get enough members in my test group.
Thanks again
Beth

Thanks Shal and Bruce,
The missing messages ARE searchable. I looked/searched all the way back to 2001...
And searched what "appeared" to be one of the the missing years (2014) during the reverse
stepping I tried to describe.

(Went right now, looked and...)
I narrowed it down. The WEB site display at .IO seems to use multiple numbering segments
(or bands of numbers) and when reversing inside different bands of sequences the results
are VERY odd... Example, years going missing, messages assigned impossible numbers
because we were not here when those number would have been assigned.
In any event, this is an issue Group Owners can't solve on their own...
Seems like a Yahoo export issue or a .IO import one...
I think I need to get into a "beta test" group here... (The beta group does not test...)<??>

Disclaimer: If something that seems impossible is happening, I seem to root it out very easily...

Rick

It’s horses for courses ... I see different people have different ways of reading these threads.?

I do do like the idea of just cutting and pasting a few lines to get the context.?

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 08:42 am, RickGlaz wrote:

IF toggling the message view button in the upper right hand corner on the
Groups .IO WEB message reader page jumps 5 years suddenly going in reverse,
would that be an indication the transfer is incomplete for messages,
or an indexing and or a display problem?

Seems to me that's an indication that:

• your group transfer is probably complete, and
• your message archives span 5 years.

That sort-order button almost caught me on one occasion -- I believe it was right here in GMF -- when I didn't realize I had changed it and began to compose a reply to a message from 2014 or so.?Fortunately, I figured it out before hitting "send"...but I realized that if I could make that mistake, others could too. At that point I changed my own group settings so all topics are locked after 60 days.

Bruce

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On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 04:54 am, Beth Weld wrote:

btw, where is the API documentation? I found it weeks ago, but not now when I was actually looking for it.?

What I was referring to can be found at /api#direct-add?See the Notes section for the function.

Bruce

I'm assuming when the member count on the .IO specific-Group WEB Home page
"jumps" and you also get a Welcome message from the Group, (to a spare test account),
at that point the system "thinks" it is done. (Correct?)

(After that.)
IF toggling the message view button in the upper right hand corner on the
Groups .IO WEB message reader page jumps 5 years suddenly going in reverse,
would that be an indication the transfer is incomplete for messages,
or an indexing and or a display problem?

Welcome message went out around 6am today, should I wait and check tomorrow?
(I last looked at 9-10am and ONLY at the messages and stopped...)

Disclaimer: I am looking as a normal MEMBER and have no elevated privileges
in that specific Group.

Off group messages are OK...

Rick

On April 11, 2018 at 4:12 AM Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:


Paul,

So, in such a case would we then have an opportunity to make a 2nd transfer

request asking that the things which had been 'left behnd' could be moved?


Or, is a 2nd attempt to transfer any 'left behind' things not something
that Groups.io is able to do?

Yes, you can.

If you go to the "In Process" page for the completed transfer there's a red
button at the bottom that will allow you to delete the old transfer status.
Then you initiate a new transfer from the same Y!Group to the Groups.io
group, selecting only the sections that were missing.

If a section was only partially copied (e.g. some files copied, some not) I
believe the automation will automatically skip any content that is already
present in the Groups.io group, but I haven't tested that (and haven't had
to, knock-on-wood).

The idea here is that some of Yahoo Groups' failures have been sporadic, so
it is possible that a second attempt may be able to copy some items that
hadn't been accessible the first time. If you can now access (using the
normal Yahoo Group web page) any of the items listed as not transferred,
then there's a good chance that the transfer agent will be able to now
also. If you can't, maybe wait in hope that you can later.

Also, if you can now it would likely be prudent to go ahead and download
them manually (if there aren't so many as to make that impractical), just
in case.

Shal

Sent from my WEBmail.

This happened to my group during transfer. About 1/3 of the photos in my group were left behind. I contacted support, and was told to start a new transfer for only that area--unchecking every other box, after I deleted what was transferred. While it made me nervous and took about a week, the new photos showed up.?
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On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 09:52 am, Patrick 2E0ETF wrote:

Now another member has complained that when I reply I should have quoted the
message that I replied to.

In our group, we ask members who are replying to something specific to clip and quote - like I just did above - to make the context obvious. (Highlight what you want to quote before hitting Reply.) Depending on the email client, that may be easier or harder to do.

We actually have the opposite problem - most people seem to keep the whole original message in their reply so we end up with a message plus a chain of replies that include most of the topic! I appreciate that the Message Archive shortens that up with the use of the blue button with 3 dots to open up the included previous messages. (Which of course, doesn't help those who just read in email.)

My guess is that, if there was an option to send the last 2 or 3 messages in a topic with a new reply, that would drive people nuts faster because they'd be getting duplicate messages all the time. We'll never make *everybody* happy.

Barb

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 04:54 am, Beth Weld wrote:

The 20 "at a time" limit is also a concern

Someone with a Premium account should speak to this. I stated that about Direct Add on a sub-group of a Basic group. And it is not a daily limit. Rather, it is the number listed on a page that can be selected at one time. If there is more than one page, you select one page at a time.

Paul,
? I think you are worrying about stuff that is highly unlikely.? I've now been a
participant is about 20 different transfers - as a member, as a moderator,
and as an owner - and none of them had problems.
? The only 'left behinds' were for one truly large group (over 10,000 members)
and it had a couple of hundred members that weren't transferred ... because
they were bouncing on YG.? A member that is bouncing can not be moved
and they can't be contacted to say 'what do you want to do?'.??
? That same large yahoo group had a lot of members 'who just hadn't taken
themselves off the YG' ... and so, for the first couple of weeks only, we had a
fairly large number of "this member has left groups.io" - because they didn't
want to be on the group any more.? I suppose it is possible that a few of
them objected to groups.io - but no one told us that (I was a moderator on
that group).

? Relax and just do it.? The transfer process is smooth and you will not
have complaints about being on groups.io from your members.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? - Jim

P.S. My only "problem" with the transfer process is that there are still some
? ? ? ?groups on yahoo that I'm a member of that haven't transferred yet!

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 04:54 am, Beth Weld wrote:

request for a bulk add function

I'm pretty sure that Mark has allowed folks to add more than 20 at one time by contacting him before it's done.? Especially in a case like this where the original group isn't on Yahoo or Google to use the transfer system.? It's not a problem when adding folks to a subgroup that are already members of the main group.? It doesn't interfere with transfers from Yahoo either.

Duane
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