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Re: Cross posting to other lists

 

Thanks Shal!

I checked the settings of the list in question and it is currently set to "Reply to Sender"

Other options include: Group, Moderators, & Group and Sender.

If I'm reading the thread correctly, should our setting be updated to "Reply to Group"?


Re: Are Yahoo Group Transfers No Longer Accepted #transfer #yahoo

 

Bruce, you are correct. This change hasn't been well documented, but it was just after our experience that Mark created the form on the join page. That was prompted not only by that change but by the desire for people to be able to verify that their transfer was indeed in process. Of course that doesn't mean that the invitation process won't work, either. By inviting the transfer agent and still filling out the form, a group owner stands a better chance of getting the transfer agent onto the Yahoo group to be transferred. Somewhat of a belt-and-suspenders way of looking at the situation.

Dano

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On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 05:59 pm, D R Stinson wrote:

This change was added after member invitations started failing to work. We were able to have the transfer agent use the "request membership" process instead to get a couple groups I was helping to get moved, and I believe the transfer agent is now using that method to join your Yahoo group.
Hmmm...both the Yahoo group transfer instructions and the GMF wiki still state that you have to manually send the transfer agent an invitation. There is no suggestion that the agent will send Yahoo a membership request; and depending on group settings this might not even be possible.

It's been a couple months since I've done this and quite a bit has changed since then. Someone needs to confirm the actual process so the documentation can be kept current.

Regards,
Bruce


Re: Cross posting to other lists

 

David,

|_| I always want copies of my own messages
This only affects messages that I send, right?
Correct.

Is there a way to set this for everyone.
No.

In particular note that it is an Account setting, not a Subscription setting. This means it affects all groups to which you have a subscription (under this address).

It seems to just not insert a Reply-To for our list, which is pretty
important for cross posting to work (otherwise our group effectively
steals threads from every other list).
I'm not certain what you mean here. As far as I know there's no way to prevent Groups.io from putting a Reply-To field in the header of outbound messages.

In any case, if you can resolve those cases where it appears that Groups.io removed the other list from the To or CC field then it seems like the right thing will happen if you set your Groups.io group to have Reply To the group, and for members to habitually use the Reply All feature of their email service. But...

1) The Reply All will most likely include a direct message to the sender, as well as both groups.

2) One possible reason for Groups.io not to pass the address of the other list would be if it was named in a BCC. In that case that address was never delivered to Groups.io from the sender's email service.

3) Reply All doesn't seem to be implemented uniformly among all email services. That is, I've read of odd cases where Groups.io messages are concerned (or any message with a Reply-To field).

Shal


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Re: Topics vs Messages

 

On Apr 8, 2018, at 1:25 AM, Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...> wrote:

A Topic is a group of messages that consisting of the initial message and all ongoing replies. Hence, the name of the Topic is the subject of the first message.

The number shown in Topics view is a count of the messages in the topic.
The reason I like hashtags is that the topic is clear¡ªits like a standardized key word. Subject lines are not clear. If someone changes it or the thread is the same subject as a thread from yesterday or last, that isn¡¯t reflected.

Counting topics by using subject lines doesn¡¯t really mean anything beyond how many people responded to that one message and didn¡¯t change the subject line.

One list with tens of thousands of messages could probably be narrowed down to 15 topics.

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Re: Are Yahoo Group Transfers No Longer Accepted #transfer #yahoo

 

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 05:59 pm, D R Stinson wrote:
This change was added after member invitations started failing to work. We were able to have the transfer agent use the "request membership" process instead to get a couple groups I was helping to get moved, and I believe the transfer agent is now using that method to join your Yahoo group.
Hmmm...both the Yahoo group transfer instructions and the GMF wiki still state that you have to manually send the transfer agent an invitation. There is no suggestion that the agent will send Yahoo a membership request; and depending on group settings this might not even be possible.

It's been a couple months since I've done this and quite a bit has changed since then. Someone needs to confirm the actual process so the documentation can be kept current.?

Regards,
Bruce


Re: Automatic Deletion of Members If Message Marked As Spam #poll

 

Mary Ellen,

If a member is automatically removed from a group (because of the
reported spam issue), does Groups.IO notify the owner of the group ...
As Chris said, a notice is sent to the group admins (owners and moderators).

I think that any owner or moderator may elect not to receive such notices by unchecking the "Email when a member joins/leaves this group" box, in the Notifications section of his/her Subscription page. That may be appropriate for admins who have limited authority or responsibility in the group.

Also, an entry is made in the group's Activity log. These can be searched for under the "Removed because of spam report" Action.

I would follow up with each "removed" member to give training if I
know their email addresses.
Several of us (GMF members) been working at making the "Removed for Marking Messages as spam" page in GMF's wiki (linked under Advice to Group Members) as useful as practical (clear, but comprehensive). You may link to it or crib from it if you think that will help your members.

Please feel free to ask, comment, suggest or criticize (constructively of course) if you see ways that page can be improved, especially from the member's point of view.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam

Shal


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Re: Subgroup visibility...not-visible AND public messages?

 

Thanks. ?That makes sense. ?But: if a subscriber to a subgroup that is invisible in the parent group posts a message, where does the public see it? ?I haven¡¯t explored the publicly-viewable messages area yet, but I¡¯ll check there next.


Re: Need to be able to customize Invite message.

 

Don,

The invitation you sent had my first name on it. Did you put that
there or does the invite process add that name?
I did that. I meant to mention that I used the form of address:

Don <user@...>

I usually do that if I have knowledge of the person's name. It gives them an initial display name for their account, if they don't already have a Groups.io account.

If you leave that out and submit just the email address then the salutation in the message is just "Hello," without a name. And for the invitation I don't think groups.io looks up the Display name associated with the account, if any.

Shal


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Re: Subgroup visibility...not-visible AND public messages?

 

Derek,

What does this option mean "Group not listed in parent group, publicly
viewable messages."
It means that the subgroup won't be shown in the Subgroups page of the parent (main) group. And that the Messages page of the subgroup is viewable by anyone (public) member or not of either group.

Is this for one-way email subgroups?
No. Having the subgroup not listed in the main group won't prevent main group members from learning about it (especially not with public Messages), or accessing it's home page.

On the whole it seems like a somewhat useless combination, but maybe someone has a use case for it.

I'm new here and have a multi-level group to add, where "public" and
"parent group" privacies are important. If there's a reference for
this, let me know. Thanks.
Generally "public" means anyone anyone (and any search engine) on the web, and "private" means members-only. In a subgroup you have the additional option of having the Messages visible to parent group members as well as members of the subgroup but not the public.

Shal


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Re: Subgroup visibility...not-visible AND public messages?

 

Not sure if this was a really hard question or a really obvious answer, still not sure!? I'm new here and have a multi-level group to add, where "public" and "parent group" privacies are important.? If there's a reference for this, let me know.? Thanks.


Re: Are Yahoo Group Transfers No Longer Accepted #transfer #yahoo

Randy Thomson
 

Duh. I guess I¡¯ve got taxes muddling my brain. I had actually started the process but then had a neuron misfire, and was looking in Groups.io rather than Yahoo for a response. Not my day.

Transfer in process. Thanks for the responses, all.

Randy T

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of William Finn
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 2:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Are Yahoo Group Transfers No Longer Accepted #transfer #yahoo

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You need to invite?[email protected]?from your yahoo group

Once it is accepted you need to promote?[email protected]?to Moderatot

Once that's done you can then initiate the transfer

?

Liam



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Re: Are Yahoo Group Transfers No Longer Accepted #transfer #yahoo

 

Sarah, you are correct. For new transfers, go to the Yahoo group transfer page at /yahootransfer and scroll to the bottom. Click on the "Start New Transfer" button. Fill out the form and click on the "Start Transfer Process" button. Watch for a membership request from [email protected] on your Yahoo group, or some further communication.

This change was added after member invitations started failing to work. We were able to have the transfer agent use the "request membership" process instead to get a couple groups I was helping to get moved, and I believe the transfer agent is now using that method to join your Yahoo group.

Dano

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Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I thought the method had changed? done via webform instead? I don't have the email any longer but someone correct me if I'm wrong.

On Apr 8, 2018, at 11:43 AM, Randy Thomson via Groups.Io <k5mw@...> wrote:

I want to transfer a small (20 user) group from Yahoo to Groups.io. I attempted to send a group invitation to [email protected] and received an invalid address error. Are group transfer requests no longer being accepted?


Re: Two Groups Into One

 

Pam,

Is it possible to integrate two Yahoo groups into one groups.io
group here?
Yes. Just perform the transfer twice: once for each Yahoo Group, citing the same Groups.io group as the destination.

See also:
/yahootransfer and (the work-in-progress):
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Transfer-from-Yahoo-Groups

When the neo nonsense started, I found another yahoo platform that
hadn't changed yet, and moved the group there. It ended up changing as
well, of course, and now I'd like to have the messages from both
groups moved into one here, if possible.
Memberships (email addresses) that appear in both Y!groups will be copied as part of the first transfer, then skipped on the second. That will leave the members with the delivery and moderation settings, and join date, they have in the first group.

Messages in the Groups.io group will generally be displayed in date order, so if messages were posted in the two Y!groups concurrently they will appear intermingled in the Groups.io group. But the message numbers will be assigned at the time the messages are copied, so all of the messages from the second group will have higher numbers than those from the first.

Both of the above mean you likely would prefer to transfer the original group first, and the "lifeboat" group second.

Shal


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Re: Topics vs Messages

 

Sharon,

Why do the numbers for lists show number of topics instead of the
number of messages?
Interesting observation, I hadn't noticed that. I'm not sure why, maybe it was thought that topics better represents the activity, or at least diversity of activity, in the group.

What counts as a topic? Is it the same as messages?
To what others have said, I'll just add that I have colloquially used "topic" and "thread" interchangeably. Both refer to an initial message and the collection of messages in reply, and the replies to the replies.

When speaking specifically about a Groups.io function I try to remember to use "Topic", as that's the name for them here. In other times and places I've tended to use "topic" in the English language sense of a single subject of conversation; and "thread" to refer to the technical, email-specific (or forum-specific), meaning above.

Shal


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Re: Premium features...more explanation, please

 

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 03:02 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
I haven't delved into this at all. But here's documentation and support for it:
/api
Thanks Shal. Looks like mostly JSON, which is doable on my end.

Not a lot of activity in the group, though. The API looks pretty powerful but is also a great way to screw things up. The last thing you want to do is use your main group for alpha testing. A platform along the lines of Shalstest would be very handy if I ever get to that point.?

Thanks again,
Bruce


Re: Premium features...more explanation, please

 

Bruce,

"Track Removed Members" sounds like chipping them with a miniaturized
GPS, but I think I know what it really means.
It means there's one more list in your group's Members page selection:
"Past"; in addition to the usual Members, Moderators, Pending Approval, Bouncing, and Banned. It includes both Removed (by moderator) and Left (on their own).

* "API access" -- What features of the basic GIO package can I
customize/enhance via the interface? What are the function
calls/hooks, and where is the documentation?
I haven't delved into this at all. But here's documentation and support for it:
/api


Despite greater understanding of search engine features, I've been
unable to track down any threads on this topic either here or in beta.
There had been a lot of discussion in beta of (the failings of) the previous search engine implementation, but I don't think any of that adds up to a "how to" with the current implementation.

Thank you for spearheading this in GMF's wiki.

Shal


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Re: Directory #directory

 

The way I understand it, the Directory is a essentially a listing of group profiles for those members who have chosen to create one. As such, only those who have a profile and choose to share it with others will show up.

Although group owners can restrict directory visibility to Moderators or even disable it altogether, they cannot force visibility between subscribers who haven't opted in.?

Bruce


Re: Premium features...more explanation, please

 

Premium groups can also direct installnew memberrs rather than wait till they respond to the invitation
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Re: Are Yahoo Group Transfers No Longer Accepted #transfer #yahoo

 

The GIO transfer agent cannot gain access to your Yahoo group and make itself a Moderator. Those steps are manual and likely always will be.

/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Transfer-from-Yahoo-Groups
/yahootransfer

Hope this helps,
Bruce


Re: Premium features...more explanation, please

 

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 12:43 pm, Duane wrote:
You can also remove their NC status if they don't click on the link in the confirmation email...
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks!

B