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>My eMail client is set up to put messages without a Subject into the Spam Folder.

There are other threads here that say that is not in anyone's best interests.

Rick

On Apr 5, 2018, at 6:12 AM, Victoria <dr.vcaesar@...> wrote:

Nontheless I found out that by using normal.dotm I can get these forms to stay as originally formatted, even if I copy the text into an email.

What is “normal.dotm”?

Sharon
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I have posted a distillation of the above thread as #Suggestions in the beta group. Look for the same Subject.

We shall see...

Regards,

Chris

On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 05:41 am, Frances wrote:

Not my experience. I use my MacBook and my iPhone.

Yes, but all that proves is that you have active cookies on both. You still had to log on separately for each device.?

Bruce

If you access the site on any device/browser combination that doesn't have an active cookie, you will not be logged in.

Bruce

Each browser/device will have a login cookie.? I use a desktop at home, but a laptop when traveling, so usually have to log in at my first stop on the road.? As long as you've logged in with each device/browser, that one will be fine for 30 days.? On most, you can have it remember your login information if you want, so very simple to log back in when needed.

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Not my experience. I use my MacBook and my iPhone.

On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 04:18 am, Bruce Bowman wrote:

In addition to Shal's comments, you will also find yourself logged out if you attempt to access the site using a different device/browser.

Bruce

?I don't think so, Bruce.

I am logged in using Chrome and I am also logged in to the same account using MS Edge. In fact, just for funsies, I started this reply in Chrome and I am completing it from the Draft using MS Edge.
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On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 03:58 am, Victoria wrote:

We use anamnesis questionnaires into which members write medical information like blood counts and other test results.

Our membership application is a PDF fill-in form.

Bruce

On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 01:49 am, Shal Farley wrote:

I concur with Arno's suggestion to send the form as an attached file.

This is why I would still like the ability to attach files to Member Notices. Unfortunately the idea got shot down pretty quickly in beta.

Bruce

If this is a database that came over from Yahoo, it's possible that row ownership is now undefined. Try changing the "Edit Rows" permission to "members" and see if that helps.

Bruce

On 04/05/2018 04:24 AM, Shal Farley wrote:

It wouldn't surprise me if somewhere on the web is a good list of
methods for "whitelisting" email list messages, broken down by service.

A more exhausting trick would be to try and create such a reference for ourselves in GMF's wiki.

I like that idea.

An advantage is that it could focus on the services that exhibit a problem.

Breaking this up into bite sized portions.

* ISPs that Groups.IO has an FBL relationship with;
* Other ISPs that send "message # xxx is spam" notices;

For FBL relationships, start with the list that Mark periodically
provides, and expand to all domain names covered by those ISPs. BTL, for
example, has some email addresses under Yahoo.com "administration",
which have FBL notices, and some email addresses that are administered
by a different party, that do not have FBL notices.

As far as other ISPs are concerned, I'm wondering if a copy of the
notice that is sent to the unsubscribed due to marking as spam, could be
sent to either the owner of the list, or whoever is designated to
maintain the list of ISPs that send "message # xxx is spam" notices.

I do not know how to implement that, and remain in compliance with
European Privacy law.

?Thinking aloud: A message containing the domain name of the sending
organization, is sent to the ISP wiki maintainer. It would be the
responsibility of the ISP wiki maintainer, to determine if the domain
name belongs in the FBL relationship list, or the Other ISP list.
Furthermore, the ISP wiki maintainer would also be responsible for
reaching out to the abuse contacts at those domains, to find out how to
whitelist email sent there.
On second thoughts, rather than send an email, a log file lists the
domain name, date and time that the message was received by Groups.IO.
The downside is that the domain name of the sending organization may not
match the domain name of the email address that was unsubscribed.
On a daily, weekly, monthly, or quarterly basis, a chart be generated,
that shows how many notices were received from each domain, during the
current time period, and three/four/five time periods. The idea being to
see whether the number of notices stays constant, or goes up, or goes
down. Ideally, they go down.?
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A disadvantage is that it would have to be maintained, probably by people who use the respectiveservices.

I'm probably being overly optimistic, but I'd expect:
* For the first three months, the maintainer would be extremely busy,
chasing down information from 500 or so domain names;
* Then the maintainer would be looking at one or two domain names per week;

jonathon

All my groups are eMail based and and every poster's eMail address is displayed.

Arno

Arno

Thank you for your response.

My group members use a variety of ways to communicate with the Group - some via webmail, some via their email client, some online.

So where are the email addresses displayed if a member doesn't post?

Margaret P

In addition to Shal's comments, you will also find yourself logged out if you attempt to access the site using a different device/browser.

Bruce

Shal, Arno,

well, I don?t allow and cannot use attachments for our purposes. We use anamnesis questionnaires into which members write medical information like blood counts and other test results. These forms are then commented and sent back to the member via group mail and then they are uploaded into the files. We?ve been doing this since our group?s existance in 2006. So attachments are just as unservicable for our purposes as are pdfs. For that reason we don?t even allow attachments.

Nontheless I found out that by using normal.dotm I can get these forms to stay as originally formatted, even if I copy the text into an email.

But thanks for your thoughts.
Victoria
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I concur with Arno's suggestion to send the form as an attached file.

However I'd recommend using PDF (Portable Document Format) over Word or any other application-specific file format. Modern versions of Office (and LibreOffice) can export documents in PDF format, and Win10 includes a decent printer driver that produces PDF files from any application that can print.

Make sure the cover message explains what's in the attachment and why the member should fill it in. A bit of specific context there can go a long way to avoid having the message treated as spam (spammers often send attachments with very terse messages). That is, "Here, fill this in." would not be a very compelling to the member, nor very "ham-y" to their email service.

Shal

You may want to check the permissions on the referenced database. I update databases (and create them) all the time using my I-phone and Safari without any problems.

Jean

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Bruce,

It might be nice to have a "sister group" to GMF where we can try out
some of these features and address these questions once and for all (I
suspect Mark already has one set up). But even if we did, the answer
would no doubt be complicated and unlikely to truly satisfy to your
group members.

I have shalstest. You can join and use that for "kick the tires" testing. Or just create one of your own.


Shal


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Sharon,

What is the default if I don’t check any of these?

Messages pass through Groups.io as they were received: Plain or HTML.

In the group's Messages HTML messages are displayed pretty much as received, but some HTML code is stripped to protect from abuse. Plain text messages are converted to HTML for display, including linkifying URLs (but not email addresses) and converting standard plaintext quote notation to HTML blockquotes.

Force HTML Emails

This one seems clear — change everything to HTML but what if the
message is written in plain text?

Groups.io does a fairly straightforward conversion from plain text to HTML. This includes linkifying URLs (but not email addresses) spelled out in the plain text.

Normalize HTML Emails

What does this do to links?

Nothing. It also leaves embedded images as they were.

Complaints that links are being stretched out to http addresses

rather > than the name.

That's sounds like Plain Text Only.

Shal


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