Chris,

1. Prefer Member's delivery to be changed to "No Mail" with web access
still available; Membership Retained
2. Prefer to leave things as they are; Membership Deleted

Of course this question may be moot, as Mark has somewhat clarified his position on this. In part he says:

"- Having a 'forcing function' that gets people to train spam filters to
not mark Groups.io email as spam hopefully decreases the future
likelihood of emails being marked as spam"


I read that as hinting that "dismemberment" is in part a deliberately severe response, in service of the greater good.

To pitch the idea back in beta I really think the only rational option to (2) is to propose a separate subscription status. Call it "Reported" or something appropriate as a parallel to "Bounced".

But the easier you make it for the member to reset the status the weaker it will be as a "forcing function". And for that reason I wouldn't propose to allow a group moderator to reset it; at best a moderator should be able to send a notice to the member about it.

Shal


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Frances,

Rather than “no mail”, I prefer to set GMF and Beta to “first message
only”. Then I follow topics that I want to / need to.

Sounds like a page which should be in the Advice to Group Members section of GMF's wiki. For now I'll cite the help Mock-up page for it, though it really deserves some exposition on the how and why of it.

See this from Help on Muting and Following and Following Topics and
Hashtags.

See also this one on Advanced Preferences, and the section on Muting and Following that follows it:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Help-Mock-up#Advanced-Preferences

As a kind of experiment I put this in GMF's Goodby message:
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If you're unsubscribing because there's a lot of messages here, and few interest you, allow me to recommend using your Advanced Preferences to limit the number of messages emailed to you. If you're curious how that works, have a read about Advanced Preferences, and the following section on Muting and Following.
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(with "Advanced Preferences" linked to the above URL)

No one who has left has commented to +owner about it.

Shal


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mike,

Is there a way to turn of just these two - ...

If you mean as a member, to ignore other members, no not at present.

You could always set a filter for them in your email interface.

It has been discussed a couple times on beta, the latter at some length:



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Victoria,

What does ?edit archives“ mean exactly?

In the context of Moderator Permissions it refers to the ability to edit messages that have been posted in the group's Messages pages.

I'm not certain if it affects the moderator's ability to edit anything else.

Shal


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Special Notices can definitely be a problem if you abuse the privilege and send them too often. But those who have needed to contact their entire group before migration from Yahoo have seen the other side of the "no email" option.?

The bottom line is that for my own reasons I want this feature, and the suggestion that it should be taken out of my toolbox to provide a quick fix to an unrelated problem does not strike me as productive.?

Regards,
Bruce

On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 01:16 pm, Paul Ohio USA wrote:

Additionally, would the Group Owner still get a notification of the change and what prevents the owner or member from just changing back to Individual and having a repeat of Spam - Delete cycle?

I would hope so (it would be an integral part of any #suggestion) , and "nothing" in that order! Further to the latter point there is nothing in the existing regime to stop a member? "unspamming" the offending message, clicking "Rejoin" for the whole thing to be repeated again at some future point; I suspect that it is something in the message rather than its origin of Groups.io that offends some spam detectors.

If the existing protocol continues (and the idea of a change is now beginning to look as though it is heading for the "Too Difficult" tray) then the finalisation of the wiki and its dissemination may help mitigate the worst effects. The critical word there is may; publishing guidance and persuading people to read it are very different things.

Unfortunately...

Regards,

Chris

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Frances

Sorry, I think I misunderstood your request. I thought you were the moderator and wanted to stop them from posting. But I think you’re a group member and you want to mute their emails. No, there’s no way to do that.

Sorry, another email!
I can't choose 1 or 2. I am not sure that your fix works for me and it is clear that some groups are having members cut off.

Interestingly, I am seeing that only occasionally in our travel group of over 1100 members. It doesn't happen at all in my small groups.

Would changing someone to "no mail" mean that my group preferences are changed to allow "no mail"?

Frances

Hi Michael, if you're not the owner, or moderator. You will have to request the moderator Flip the switch on these two members. Especially if the post are not appropriate for the group.

I don't have any of my groups set for "no mail". That means that the owner cannot even "special message" them with the rest of the group.

Shal's might be a better strategy.

Frances

Hi Stan,

Good to hear that things have smoothed out and that your members are seeing some advantages to the upheaval!

Rather than “no mail”, I prefer to set GMF and Beta to “first message only”. Then I follow topics that I want to / need to.

See this from Help on Muting and Following and Following Topics and Hashtags.

Cheers,

Frances

That's great, Stan. I know you were initially apprehensive about flipping the switch and am pleased to hear how things have worked out.

Bruce

On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 08:28 am, RickGlaz wrote:

"You can't make this stuff up"

Indeed...they're making Y!Mail sound reputable. Switch to GMail and save yourself the trouble.

Bruce

On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 10:11 am, Michael Buckley wrote:

Is there a way to turn of just these two - I know I can turn off ALL emails, but this rather defeats the object of the group!

The option of muting individual subscribers has been something on my "want list" going all the way back to the listserv days.

Bruce

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Sure. You can put them on moderation or ‘override - can’t post.’ But they’ll be pissed. ?

At present if a Member or their Mail Service Provider marks a message as “spam” then it is quite possible for that member to be summarily deleted from the Group that sent out the message. This is dependant on whether (or not) Groups.io operates a Feedback Loop with the MSP in question.

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A different option might be to change the member’s mail delivery to “no mail” so that their access to messages can only be achieved via the web page of the Group in question. This action would be accompanied by a warning email sent out by Groups.io in much the same way as one is now advising the person of their membership being deleted. If nothing else it would mean that members would not find themselves completely cut adrift from a Group. Thedre would be nothing to prevent the member in question reselecting their email delivery option.

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It is not known at this time how easily this change could be implemented by Groups.io

Depending on the outcome of this poll a #Suggestion will be placed on the beta group.