That's the premium $10 per month version that allows you to create RSVP's and gives you 10 Gigs of data storage. /static/pricing-- Norm
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Faced with the demise of Wikispaces, at least it has a pretty comprehensive and long established Backup/Export feature with which one can transfer to some sites without great loss. All page content, stored files, page discussions and content can be downloaded in a compressed file. The pages can be delivered in HTML, PDF and various wiki text syntaxes and on-page discussions and comments in XML, related to the pages, even to selected text within. Groups.io looks to me to be a potential destination for my site and would be more attractive if it had a bulk import from a Wikispaces backup/export set. That said, I also want the target site to have an export capability similar to that of Wikispaces - I don't want to be locked in with no way out. From what I can see, Groups.io is very definitely a multiroom building of which only a couple of rooms have fire escapes - the message archive and the members list. Everything else is downloadable one file at a time at best or is inaccessible (e.g. wikiimages). The message archive is exported in MBOX format for which I see there are converters available to, e.g., HTML; I've not explored how faithfully a HTML message is conveyed through such a process.
- Are others concerned? Has there been any discussion (I found some about exporting specific parts but nothing holistic)?
- Has anyone evaluated the archive export for completeness, fidelity, mobility?
- Has there been any push on Beta for full backup/export?
Thanks, Tom
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On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 07:17 pm, Linda Perry wrote:
If you remove a post before it goes out in the daily digest, will it still go out in the daily digest like it did in yahoo groups?
No
If you write to a member privately, does it save your message in the group anywhere or do you need to BCC yourself???
No, not yet (it is planned for the future). You need to BCC yourself.
If a member is on moderation and I reject their post with a reply will that information be available in the group for me to look back on?
Your rejection message will be in the log, but not the message itself. You need to have saved it in your email notification if you want to see it.
What is a sidebar and how do you create one?
The sidebar is the panel of options down the left side of the home page. You can't create one besides the one that's there.
Can you remove html codes for members but have them available for owners?
Not sure what you mean by "remove" and "available." If you mean set your group to strip HTML from posts, but not from moderators' posts, the answer is no. ? -- J
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If you remove a post before it goes out in the daily digest, will it still go out in the daily digest like it did in yahoo groups?
If you write to a member privately, does it save your message in the group anywhere or do you need to BCC yourself??
If a member is on moderation and I reject their post with a reply will that information be available in the group for me to look back on?
What is a sidebar and how do you create one?
Can you remove html codes for members but have them available for owners?
Linda Perry
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Re: No introductory message with subscription applications?
On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 06:01 pm, Bruce Bowman wrote:
...perhaps allow an attachment to the Pending Subscription message, which could be used to send a PDF fill-in form
Good god, things are problematic enough with that message and the whole pending subscription process. I'm shielding my eyes .... -- J
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Re: Bouncing messages with subjects that start with 'Private:'
That's not the way to post a private message, though. They need to click the "private" button at the bottom right. I think it's unfortunate that messages starting with the word "private" are no longer bouncing. I actually think they should still bounce.
On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 5:24 PM, SP4149 <ken@...> wrote:
Thanks,? A couple of my lists were having trouble posting Private messages, was hoping for an easy explanation.
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ken clark
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Re: No introductory message with subscription applications?
Expanding on Bob's idea...perhaps allow an attachment to the Pending Subscription message, which could be used to send a PDF fill-in form that you've previously uploaded to the group? The new subscriber would then fill that out and send it back.
Generally speaking you wouldn't want to allow public access to the files area of a restricted group, but if you can send one file as an attachment it would obviate that problem.
Just a thought,
Bruce
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Re: Bouncing messages with subjects that start with 'Private:'
Thanks,? A couple of my lists were having trouble posting Private messages, was hoping for an easy explanation.
ken clark
www.shastasprings.com
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www.shastasprings.com
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Re: Bouncing messages with subjects that start with 'Private:'
No longer current. You could test it and see. :-)
On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 3:56 PM, SP4149 <ken@...> wrote: I found this message in the beta | main list.? is this still current?? I have a couple of list owners giving conflicting instructions on taking messages private or off-line.
FYI, we are now bouncing any messages with a subject line that starts with 'Private:'. (We add the word Private: when someone does a private reply on the website, and I was seeing instances of people emailing messages with that Subject as well, mistakenly thinking it would behave similarly).
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Thanks,
Mark
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ken clark
"It has always seemed strange to me," said Doc. "The things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openness, honesty, understanding and feeling are the concomitants of failure in our system. And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, acquisitiveness, meanness, egotism and self-interest are the traits of success."? Steinbeck - Cannery Row
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Norm, et.al., ? What is the RSVP model? ? ? Since we're probably going to go to the RSVP model, I'd appreciate some feedback on its utility.
Thanks
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Norm ? ?
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Bouncing messages with subjects that start with 'Private:'
I found this message in the beta | main list.? is this still current?? I have a couple of list owners giving conflicting instructions on taking messages private or off-line.
FYI, we are now bouncing any messages with a subject line that starts with 'Private:'. (We add the word Private: when someone does a private reply on the website, and I was seeing instances of people emailing messages with that Subject as well, mistakenly thinking it would behave similarly).
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Thanks,
Mark
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-- ken clark
"It has always seemed strange to me," said Doc. "The things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openness, honesty, understanding and feeling are the concomitants of failure in our system. And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, acquisitiveness, meanness, egotism and self-interest are the traits of success."? Steinbeck - Cannery Row
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Re: Groups.io and GDPR compliance
On 03/22/2018 09:44 PM, Carole wrote: For GDPR we are required to ensure compliance with any 3rd parties who store personal data on our behalf Once GDPR goes into effect, there are going to be administrative changes. What those changes are, depends upon what the courts decide. Mailing lists owned by a private individual are an edge case. The current assumption is that adherence to the entirety of the GDPR is required. (Personal Rolodex cards fell into the scope of a similar, albeit weaker measure, that passed about twenty years ago. This is why those of us whose contact list looks like an expanded edition of _The Mackay 66_ are also going to have to comply with GDPR, if anybody living in Europe, or from Europe is in the list.) The main concern is whether data is stored on servers inside or outside the EU. Going by traceroute, it looks like the servers are in the United States. However, that is a question best answered by Mark. So my question is does Groups.io have servers inside the EU for those of us in Europe? A. Storing and using data via third parties
e.g. sharing documents (Google Drive), Unless Google has clearly stated that everything on Google Drive will adhere to GDPR, regardless of physical location, the only storage that will be compliant, is accounts that either originated in Europe, or for individuals currently resident in Europe. (And yes, Google knows your home address, even if you never told them.) I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. jonathon
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Groups.io and GDPR compliance
Hi, ? My choir is currently with Yahoo Groups and I am experimenting with Groups.io with the intention of moving away from Yahoo over the summer months. ? The concern I have is that either of the groups hold/store personal data even if only name and email address. Yahoo obviously also stores Yahoo ID if the person has one. For GDPR we are required to ensure compliance with any 3rd parties who store personal data on our behalf. The main concern is whether data is stored on servers inside or outside the EU. See advice from our representative body, Making Music. ? So my question is does Groups.io have servers inside the EU for those of us in Europe? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- A. Storing and using data via third parties e.g. sharing documents (Google Drive), an email service (Mail Chimp) or an online ticketing website (Ticket Source). GDPR applies to non-EU companies that are storing and using data of individuals within the EU. It is your responsibility to ensure any third parties you use to store data are compliant with GDPR. This does not mean you should be telling Google about GDPR, but it does mean you should do some research to make sure they are compliant. The potential area of complication is when you are using a service but the organisation delivering that service houses data outside the EU. The good news is that many of the bigger more common organisations are either based in, or have a base in, the EU and so will be up to speed with GDPR. Some smaller, less well-known organisations based outside the EU could be storing data outside the EU which makes things more complicated. ? Thanks ? Carole
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Re: No introductory message with subscription applications?
On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 05:42 am, Duane wrote:
You're not missing anything.? There is a somewhat current thread about this on beta that you may want to join to express your wishes,
Indeed there is, and the process appears to be very simple; just set up a "Pending Subscription" message in the Admin section. (Admin - Settings - Member Notices) Mark also put a very helpful post in the above thread; see which nicely explains the relevant sequence of events following a membership request. The Group for which I am a Moderator is in the process of setting this up; at the moment we are just tinkering with the content! Up to now we have been doing it manually, which is a chore. Regards, Chris
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Re: No introductory message with subscription applications?
We set up our group as restricted but since we have a website also when someone attempts to ask to join they receive a custom message the gives them th link to our join request form and it's up to them to complete from there..? Once we get the form submission, we review and if ok, approve them. You could tell someone trying to join that they must send a message to the owners with certain required info for entry to the group. If they don't comply, you did the best you could.? If they comply you can let them in however you do that. Since we are a premium group we just direct ingest them and they get another? email with appropriate instructions and a link to the wiki -- Bob Bellizzi
The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation
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Re: No introductory message with subscription applications?
All of the groups I manage are for Amateur radio ( aka Ham radio).? It would be nice to include a simple question that they could answer and provide the reply to us in the application message.
If you are a ham radio operator, please provide your call _______ or a short note about why you would like to join our group ____________________________________.
That is all we need to see,? Other groups might like to ask a different question.?
Regards, Al / NN4ZZ
al (at) NN4ZZ (dot) com
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Just wondering--I'm a few days away from getting my members to approve the transfer over from Yahoo. How are transferred messages treated if the new group requires a tag on all messages?
Since we're probably going to go to the RSVP model, I'd appreciate some feedback on its utility.
Thanks
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Norm
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Re: No introductory message with subscription applications?
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Re: Questions on SubGroups
On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 11:49 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
Nope. Just a list of primary members with columns of checkboxes per subgroups on the Admin > Subgroups page of the primary group.
One can Direct Add multiple members of the main group to a subgroup even in the basic account. But new members of the main group are not automatically added to the subgroups. I think that should be an optional setting for each subgroup.
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No introductory message with subscription applications?
I'm getting subscription applications from folk I can't ID from the email address. In the Yahoo group that this io group spawned from I used to get a quick 'Hi, I'm so and so and do so and so....' as they were prompted for a short message before pressing the join button. There doesn't appear to be similar on io, you just press join and a sterile notification appears in my inbox. Can't see anything in settings, have I missed anything?
Stew
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Linda Perry
Bruce
SP4149
Robert Schechter
Al Ludwick / NN4ZZ
Duane