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LeeAnne, I wrote: I think the bug has to do with URL syntax for fragment part. There's a
possibility that the bug is browser-dependent, I've only tested it with
Firefox. Nope, that was wrong. Period (".") is explicitly an unreserved character in URL syntax. But this does leave open the possibility that other punctuation marks might cause trouble. The evidence is simpler (but more mysterious) than that. For some reason the presence of a period within the header text suppresses the generation (in the resulting web page) of the anchor tag which tells the browser where to scroll to. How or why this happens is a mystery (to me). I don't see any way for a user to get around it. It doesn't seem like something that is "by design", so I'd still classify it as a bug. Shal
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LeeAnne I've been working on the Wiki for the ECIR. In the Toc, there are a few
links but one just refuses to work.
I uploaded it to your test group (hope this was okay) so you can see all
the details. I wasn't sure this group would be appropriate for it. Yes, shalstest is the perfect place for this kind of testing. And your thought is correct, GMF is not. I poked at it a bit and the problem seems to be the "." (decimal) in "Groups.io" - somehow that causes the TOC linkage to fail for that header. Seems like a squishy bug in the TOC mechanism, and I don't think there's anything you can do about it by editing the code view. Definitely one to report to [email protected], in the mean time I guess you'll have to figure out how to name that section without a "." in it. Or live with the fact that particular link in the TOC doesn't work. I think the bug has to do with URL syntax for fragment part. There's a possibility that the bug is browser-dependent, I've only tested it with Firefox. Shal
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Hi Shal, I've been working on the Wiki for the ECIR. ?In the Toc, there are a few links but one just refuses to work. I (hope this was okay) so you can see all the details. ?I wasn't sure this group would be appropriate for it.? Not sure you can help but thought I'd ask anyway.
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Re: 2 hour and 11 minute gap in messages yesterday in our group. 42 message numbers missing
David, the gap was not on this group but on one I moderate. As long as "Mark sez it's ok" It's ok with me. Bob
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Thanks gents Ary -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] Namens Duane Verzonden: donderdag 28 juli 2016 21:34 Aan: [email protected]Onderwerp: Re: [GMF] Archive settings On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 11:14 am, Ary wrote:
can I revert it later on to a private archive?
Keep in mind that once it's made private, you can't go back to public though. Duane
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On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 11:14 am, Ary wrote:
can I revert it later on to a private archive?
Keep in mind that once it's made private, you can't go back to public though. Duane
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Re: 2 hour and 11 minute gap in messages yesterday in our group. 42 message numbers missing
This group is publically archived and the number string in the archives for this group appears to be unbroken there so you can use the arhcives to catch up on any posts you missed /g/GroupManagersForum/messages?p=ID,0,,20,1,542,580 Sincerely, David Dillard Temple University (215) 204 - 4584 jwne@...
On Wed, 27 Jul 2016, Bob Bellizzi wrote: Has anyone else experienced a gap like this yesterday or any other time?
Or, can someone give me a possible explanation?
None of our moderators delete messages unless they communicate to the 'senior' moderators first.
Yesterday was a very active day on that board. ?Could the system be counting Drafts that were not completed?
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Hello, yes you can. It is directly under privacy. And for me, it is a pop-up menu. If you are using Windows, it will be a combo box. The reason why it as a pop-up menu for me, is I am using a Mac.
Joseph Hudson Email I device support Telephone 2543007667 Skype joseph.hudson89 facebook Twitter ?
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On Jul 28, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Ary < udxf@...> wrote:
Hi all, When I set up a new group with a publicly viewable?archive, can I revert it later on to a private archive? Ary ?
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Re: 2 hour and 11 minute gap in messages yesterday in our group. 42 message numbers missing
Shal, A member brought it to my attention. ?Found nothing unusual. ?Mark indicated it can happen under some circumstances that the number sequence jumps bot I didn't bother him to elucidate further. ?He did state that outstanding Drafts had no effect. Just one of those unusual artifacts sometimes found in real time software. Bob
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Hi all, When I set up a new group with a publicly viewable?archive, can I revert it later on to a private archive? Ary ?
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Re: 2 hour and 11 minute gap in messages yesterday in our group. 42 message numbers missing
Bob, Has anyone else experienced a gap like this yesterday or any other
time? I haven't noticed a gap, but I haven't gone looking either. Are there any clues in the group's activity logs? Yesterday was a very active day on that board. Could the system be
counting Drafts that were not completed? That could be. If you want to test it in a low-traffic environment without disturbing a "real" group, you're welcome to try making some posts and drafts in my test group. Shal /g/shalstest
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2 hour and 11 minute gap in messages yesterday in our group. 42 message numbers missing
Has anyone else experienced a gap like this yesterday or any other time? Or, can someone give me a possible explanation? None of our moderators delete messages unless they communicate to the 'senior' moderators first. Yesterday was a very active day on that board. ?Could the system be counting Drafts that were not completed?
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Re: Procedure for submitting/approval of Wiki item
On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 04:20 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
I think it has been suggested in beta@ that wiki moderation might also be a
good thing.
There's currently a check box at the bottom of a Wiki page when editing for "Only moderators can edit this page." I don't think anyone else would see it. I've set that on a few pages, such as my Group Guidelines. I would like to see Wiki changes moderated though. It was on the Trello list the last time I looked. Duane
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Re: How to know if a member is moderated
And to that I also say, sort of :-). Because if there is no delay, there's no information. There's no reliable access to the information.
Sent from my iPhone
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On Jul 26, 2016, at 4:11 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
J,
Every member of every Grouos.io group knows by the 'M' badge in their
groups list if they're on moderated status. Correct.
They do not know who *else* is on moderated status. Including the info
in the headers would reveal that to them. Sort of.
Joseph's method (looking for a delay) will work just as well on someone else's message as on on your own if you have it in individual mail and can examine the Received: header fields.
A member can't use View Source on the web to do that (alas, or thank goodness, depending on your point of view).
Shal
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Re: Help items for general use
Mike, I've had to moderate members because of all this attached junk. Does
anyone know where it comes from and how to stop it? It comes from a long-standing bug Yahoo Mail. If you're seeing this in a Groups.io group, and especially in a reply to a Groups.io message, that's an interesting new tidbit of information. Is your group set to "Plain Text Only"? Shal
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Re: How to know if a member is moderated
J, Every member of every Grouos.io group knows by the 'M' badge in their
groups list if they're on moderated status. Correct. They do not know who *else* is on moderated status. Including the info
in the headers would reveal that to them. Sort of. Joseph's method (looking for a delay) will work just as well on someone else's message as on on your own if you have it in individual mail and can examine the Received: header fields. A member can't use View Source on the web to do that (alas, or thank goodness, depending on your point of view). Shal
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Re: How to know if a member is moderated
On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 05:53 pm, Bob Bellizzi wrote: The only people who see the groups lists are Moderators and Owners Everyone has access to their own list of groups, members and moderators alike. In that list, every unmoderated group in which the member is moderated in will have an "M" next to it.
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Re: How to know if a member is moderated
Everything is moderated here, and that¡¯s fine. I use an Outlook email client and all I have to do is look at the time sent and time received to see if there is an ordinary delay or an unusual delay. Wouldn¡¯t matter which list. ? Some list members use a web mail reader, some use a desktop client. ? Scott Bonacker CPA ¨C McCullough and Associates LLC ¨C Springfield, MO ?
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From: Joseph Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 3:44 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] How to know if a member is moderated? [was: Duplicate Threads - Subject changed and excess quotes trimmed by moderator] Members can still figure out whether on their unmoderated status or not. Especially if you have your account set to receive off copies of messages. It's obvious whenever you know when you sent the message and then the message and then later posted. So nothing can be hidden by that and Lexmark decides to remove the functionality of receiving your own coffee of post. ? ? I think you'd have to look in logs for whether a message was approved by a moderator. This information is not currently included in the header, because that would cause it to be available to all members. Whether of not to include it was the basis of a very recent discussion in beta, with Mark deciding to forego putting that info in the header due to strong feelings by some moderators about not letting all members know which members' messages are moderated and which are not (I.e., who in the group is on moderation and who is not in an unmoderated group).
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Re: How to know if a member is moderated
Just proved my point. ?At least 5 minutes and my previous reply to this thread hasn't appeared.
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LeeAnne
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