Re: Moving photos from one album to another

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 02:15 pm, Don wrote:

When I had our group on Y I could move pictures to other albums.

If the pictures were uploaded to the files area, you could move them to other folders...but between photo albums, I'm pretty sure you couldn't. Same as here.

Bruce

Re: messages between individuals

J_Catlady

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Actually although it is an email list, and email addresses can be found, (a) it is often cumbersome to do so and (b) many people use only the web-based features. A PM or DM feature (whatever it ends up being called) would be very convenient. Most users would assume such conversations are private and I don’t see any contradiction there. This was discussed in beta several years ago. Maybe someone can check to see if it ever made it to trello.

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On Mar 12, 2018, at 2:33 PM, dave w via Groups.Io <nzntrains@...> wrote:

Indeed.
There is little point usurping the traditional role of 'normal private email' to just keep a record that otherwise wasn't meant for public disclosure (originally). Enhancement (if it were so called) to this level will only later cause greater error and embarrassment to someone because they did/ do not understand the finesse required.

Better private and one-to-one remains just that in their own systems, not a public access one.
After all, these people ARE using email programmes right? Use them the way they are intended.
Lots of off topic discussion can remain that way- or be pulled into a group just by adding the appropriate email addy.
That's not rocket science, these days,
regard davew

Re: How to attach a photo or file from the group?

Michael Rickey (AF6FB)

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Thanks Bruce, I will have to figure out what I want to attach before composing a message...so I can collect the links.

It would be nice if there was a way to select content while composing the message. But, I can live with this.

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Re: Photo album deletion

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On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 02:55 pm, Bruce Bowman wrote:

Somewhat related question:? Where do emailed non-photos wind up? I know they are stored on the server somewhere, as sometimes the big ones are sent out as links. But with no corresponding "emailed attachments" folder in the files area, how can we delete those?

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Re: How to attach a photo or file from the group?

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On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 02:23 pm, Michael Rickey (AF6FB) wrote:

When composing a message, is there a way to insert or attach content from the Group's Photos and Files sections?

Yes. Each photo and file has a corresponding URL. Right-click on it in your browser and select "copy link address" (Chrome, other browsers will have something similar). Then paste that into your email.

If a link won't do and you want inline photos, that's more problematical.?

Bruce

Re: Photo album deletion

#5946

Perhaps the OP will try it and report back...my groups just transferred 3 weeks ago and we haven't built up enough attachments yet.

Somewhat related question:? Where do emailed non-photos wind up? I know they are stored on the server somewhere, as sometimes the big ones are sent out as links. But with no corresponding "emailed attachments" folder in the files area, how can we delete those?

The inability to avoid repeatedly going over quota without the gruesome task of deleting attachments one by one is really beginning to look like a system bug to me (especially for that poor guy who has to deal with all the little embedded sig line images).?

Hopefully?there's some easy answer to all this that's eluding us at the moment.?

Bruce

Re: messages between individuals

dave w

#5945

Indeed.
There is little point usurping the traditional role of 'normal private email' to just keep a record that otherwise wasn't meant for public disclosure (originally). Enhancement (if it were so called) to this level will only later cause greater error and embarrassment to someone because they did/ do not understand the finesse required.

Better private and one-to-one remains just that in their own systems, not a public access one.
After all, these people ARE using email programmes right? Use them the way they are intended.
Lots of off topic discussion can remain that way- or be pulled into a group just by adding the appropriate email addy.
That's not rocket science, these days,
regard davew

How to attach a photo or file from the group?

Michael Rickey (AF6FB)

#5944

When composing a message, is there a way to insert or attach content from the Group's Photos and Files sections?

I haven't been able to find a way to do this yet. I would like this so I could have PDF instructions on the site for downloading and reference them with a link when responding to questions. It would also be nice to use the Photos section for images in my messages.

Thanks in advance,

Michael

Re: Chats vs Messages

dave w

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On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 03:26 am, Duane wrote:

Chats are like temporary subgroups.? Most folks use them as an IRC for a discussion that doesn't need to be on the group.? Anything posted there isn't sent out as an email.

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Ahhaaa, that's an important distinction that isn't immediately obvious (yes I've been around a really long time and know how chat works)- it's just that there wasn't any kind of operational feedback from the 'chat' action, so for all intents and purposes it appeared to act like a normal topic.
Perhaps a note in FAQ would assist,
regards dave w

Re: Photo album deletion

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Bruce,

If it DOESN'T work, then I can make no sense of that configuration setting.

The purpose of that setting is to decide what to do with an incoming message that would put the group over quota. The options are to bounce the message or to delete old attachments.

I agree that it would make sense to have a similar ability for uploads, but perhaps that doesn't need to be controlled by an option (because the user can be asked in the upload dialog). Or maybe it should be controlled by a group option which isn't in the "Message Formatting" section.

As a completely separate trivia, I wonder why that and Attachments aren't Message Policies instead?
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Re: Moving photos from one album to another

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When I had our group on Y I could move pictures to other albums.

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Don

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On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 01:04 pm, Winnie wrote:

That was an option I had and often used in Yahoo groups but couldn't find here.

Winnie -- Are you sure? I've never been able to do anything with photos on Y!G except download them, view them, and reorder them within a folder. As best I can tell, moving photos between folders was not possible. Can you show me where the menu items are to do that?

We need to also consider the implications of moving one member's pictures into a folder that he doesn't control. Folder and photo ownership need to be maintained even if it makes some things inconvenient.

Bruce

Re: Photo album deletion

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On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 01:52 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

You're making sense. I just have my doubts that the system will let you do that.

If it DOESN'T work, then I can make no sense of that configuration setting. Sooner or later everybody's attachment queue is going to fill up...if we then have to resort to manually deleting files from it to upload anything, what's the point?

Bruce

Re: Member Mad that she got Unsubbed

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Remember: AOL and Yahoo are both owned by Verizon now.? Neither has any particular reason to be "generous" to groups.io or any other competition for that matter.? The same rules apply about checking your spam/junk folders and making sure your system marks groups.io as safe or put on a white list.

Bill Hickey
Boulder, CO

Re: Photo album deletion

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Bruce,

You temporarily upload a file that's 490 MB in size, so essentially all your allotted storage is taken up by files and photo albums.

I admit I haven't tested it, but it is my expectation that upload would be rejected for putting your group over its quota. Because I think the quota it would test against includes your extant attachments.

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I hope I'm making sense.

You're making sense. I just have my doubts that the system will let you do that.

Now maybe if that fails it would be reasonable to request (on beta) that it be allowed to succeed, with some kind of warning (maybe even an "Are you sure?" popup) that the consequence will be the deletion of X amount of attachments.

That I could see as a useful feature, even if you didn't intend to promptly delete the file. Or rather, especially if the content of that file (or photo) is more useful to the group than those attachments.

Shal

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Re: how to copy fotos from Yahoo Group to my server

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In theory, it's that easy. In practice, a lot of the time Yahoo gave me an http 500 server error instead of the photo. Glad to be outta there!

Bruce

Re: Photo album deletion

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On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 01:20 am, Shal Farley wrote:

I think the attempt to upload a file that puts your group over quota would likely fail.

I thought the entire point of that setting was to allow for unattended purging of the attachments queue.

Perhaps an example will help...

-- You are on the free program, meaning you have 1 GB of storage.
-- You have 500 MB of files and photos in photo albums that you want to keep.
-- You have 300 MB of attachments that you'd like to get rid of.

You temporarily upload a file that's 490 MB in size, so essentially all your allotted storage is taken up by files and photo albums. The system sees that your attachment queue puts you over the limit, and deletes the oldest 290 MB of them, at which point you delete the file you uploaded.

Voila'! You have purged the attachments without having to resort to deleting them one by one.

I hope I'm making sense.

Bruce

how to copy fotos from Yahoo Group to my server

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Bruce,

o.k. didn?t know it was that easy. Thanks.

Victoria

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Re: messages between individuals

J_Catlady

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Sure, explore all you want. Not gonna happen. I’ll take bets on it.:p

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On Mar 12, 2018, at 11:29 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

J,

The OP may have requested and meant this, but Shal, do you know of any
other situation where "DM" is not synonymous with "PM" ...I don't know, but then my exposure to social media sites and their features is very limited.

I think the OP's request is unusual in the sense that it rarely
exists, ...If you limit your scope to things that are called DMs or PMs it may seem rare, but side conversations that are not mailed to everyone, yet remain "on the record" may be more common generally than we imagine.

At one extreme, it could be implemented as a topic which the OP is able to mute for all but the targeted recipient(s). Though I don't know if that would match Deb's intended use or not.

I think no user would expect that a record of their DM's, or PMs, or
whatever they'd end up being called (regardless of whether the word
"private" is explicitly used) would be available to moderators.That's true - user expectations would have to be carefully managed. Whatever the feature were eventually called, and how it would be described in the web pages that implement it would have to make the "on the record" nature of these member-to-messages plainly obvious.

And I think it should not be available.That's fine. Perhaps you could even disable the feature in your groups.

Still, I don't mind exploring the idea here just to see how it fleshes out.

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Re: messages between individuals

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J,

The OP may have requested and meant this, but Shal, do you know of any
other situation where "DM" is not synonymous with "PM" ...I don't know, but then my exposure to social media sites and their features is very limited.

I think the OP's request is unusual in the sense that it rarely
exists, ...If you limit your scope to things that are called DMs or PMs it may seem rare, but side conversations that are not mailed to everyone, yet remain "on the record" may be more common generally than we imagine.

At one extreme, it could be implemented as a topic which the OP is able to mute for all but the targeted recipient(s). Though I don't know if that would match Deb's intended use or not.

I think no user would expect that a record of their DM's, or PMs, or
whatever they'd end up being called (regardless of whether the word
"private" is explicitly used) would be available to moderators.That's true - user expectations would have to be carefully managed. Whatever the feature were eventually called, and how it would be described in the web pages that implement it would have to make the "on the record" nature of these member-to-messages plainly obvious.

And I think it should not be available.That's fine. Perhaps you could even disable the feature in your groups.

Still, I don't mind exploring the idea here just to see how it fleshes out.

Shal


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Re: Migration questions

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yes, I have 2 groups which are totally private and membership is restricted.

and Bruce is correct that no one can use the same group name.

Cherrill?

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On Mar 12, 2018, at 11:39 AM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 02:16 am, Michael Buckley wrote:

Can a group be private and unseen by the community generally, thus only available by invitation.

Yes. Got to Admin->Settings->Privacy and select "not listed in directory, private archives. Under Spam Control select "Restricted Membership." Be sure to save your changes.

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If so what happens if a new "owner" tries to use the same group name?

I believe they will get an error message stating that name is unavailable or previously used. Someone who has actually experienced it could tell you for sure...but they way sets up URLs and list addresses such duplicate names would cause all kinds of collisions.

Bruce