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Re: Migration questions

Gerald Boutin
 

There would be an error message stating about the name not being available.

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Re: Migration questions

Michael Buckley
 

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Shal

Interesting and helpful

Can a group be private and unseen by the community generally, thus only available by invitation.

If so what happens if a new "owner" tries to use the same group name?


Thanks


Mike


On 12/03/2018 01:53, Shal Farley wrote:

FredJ,

> My question is doIneed to do all off the preliminarysetup as ifIam
> setting up a new group in groups.io orwill all of the set-up info
> (Owner, mediators, standard greeting letters, etc) are will of the
> set-up info comeacrossas well?

You need to set up your Groups.io group.

None of the group settings are copied from the Yahoo Group. Nor is the cover image, description, or other home page info.

When you start the transfer process you'll be given a form that asks for the Yahoo Group name, has a drop-list for selecting the target Groups.io group, and a list of checkboxes for what content to copy. Email attachments and Calendar events are two types of content that are excluded from that list.

Some notes about the Membership list - each member's Delivery selection (Individual, digest, etc.) and Posting Privilege (group default, Moderated, Not Moderated, etc.) will be copied along with their Join Date and email address.

One important exception: any email address that is already present in your Groups.io group will not be copied, nor will its subscription info. That means, for example, that if you use the same email address in your owner role in both groups, your "Join" date won't be copied from the Y!Group. If that's important to you then you should promote an alternate email address to owner of the Groups.io group and unsubscribe your primary address prior to starting the transfer.

Myself I didn't bother to be concerned about my join date, nor did any of the Y!Group moderators who I had invited to join the Groups.io group and become familiar with it before we initiated the transfer. We spent a couple weeks exploring the Groups.io group and how its settings work before transferring over the Yahoo Group. Of particular interest are the Member Notices - those play roughly the same role as the scheduled files in Yahoo Groups (notices for Pending, Welcome, Removed, Left etc.).

Your Y!Group co-owners and moderators will copy over as ordinary members. You will need to promote them and set their moderator permissions anew in the Groups.io group.

Another exception is email addresses listed as "Bouncing" in the Y!Group - they will not be copied. It is possible (likely with a group that large) that Yahoo Groups will have made mistakes in determining the Bouncing status of some email addresses. Some of those listed as "Bouncing" might actually be fine. You can invite them to the Groups.io group after the transfer if you are concerned about that.

Also, some of the email addresses not listed by Y!Groups as "Bouncing" will turn out to be bad. Those will promptly become bouncing in the Groups.io group. There's no pressing need to worry about those, the Groups.io's bounce tracking will identify them and set their status accordingly.

Shal




Re: messages between individuals

 

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But these are mailing lists, so one could simply email the person.

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On Mar 11, 2018, at 7:37 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 07:09 pm, Duane wrote:
It's not private or one-on-one though.
In other words, it bears no resemblance whatsoever to a PM. ;p?
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Re: 2 Questions

 

Dave,

... the most likely solution: the member just totally deleted his
Yahoo groups account.
Hmm... I seem to recall there being log entries for this case. "Left group via system" or some such.

I joined my test group with a test account, intending to test this by deleting the test account. But the test account's join doesn't show in the log (yet?). So that doesn't give me any confidence that I'd be able to tell what happened.

Too, the activity logs for Y!GMF appear to be entirely offline for me at the moment: no entries of any form. Sigh.

Yahoo wouldn't send out a 'left the group' message for a member that
no longer exists in their computers.
Maybe. But in prior days they were pretty good at logging all membership events, including removal by act of Customer Care - people who had their accounts deleted for cause (TOS violation) would show as removed in group logs.

But it has been so long since I've heard of a case where someone deliberately deleted their own Yahoo account that I can't say for sure if that was logged.

Shal


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Re: messages between individuals

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On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 07:09 pm, Duane wrote:
It's not private or one-on-one though.
In other words, it bears no resemblance whatsoever to a PM. ;p?
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Re: messages between individuals

 

The nearest thing that currently exists is the Chat function.? It's not private or one-on-one though.

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Re: Migration questions

 

FredJ,

My question is doIneed to do all off the preliminarysetup as ifIam
setting up a new group in groups.io orwill all of the set-up info
(Owner, mediators, standard greeting letters, etc) are will of the
set-up info comeacrossas well?
You need to set up your Groups.io group.

None of the group settings are copied from the Yahoo Group. Nor is the cover image, description, or other home page info.

When you start the transfer process you'll be given a form that asks for the Yahoo Group name, has a drop-list for selecting the target Groups.io group, and a list of checkboxes for what content to copy. Email attachments and Calendar events are two types of content that are excluded from that list.

Some notes about the Membership list - each member's Delivery selection (Individual, digest, etc.) and Posting Privilege (group default, Moderated, Not Moderated, etc.) will be copied along with their Join Date and email address.

One important exception: any email address that is already present in your Groups.io group will not be copied, nor will its subscription info. That means, for example, that if you use the same email address in your owner role in both groups, your "Join" date won't be copied from the Y!Group. If that's important to you then you should promote an alternate email address to owner of the Groups.io group and unsubscribe your primary address prior to starting the transfer.

Myself I didn't bother to be concerned about my join date, nor did any of the Y!Group moderators who I had invited to join the Groups.io group and become familiar with it before we initiated the transfer. We spent a couple weeks exploring the Groups.io group and how its settings work before transferring over the Yahoo Group. Of particular interest are the Member Notices - those play roughly the same role as the scheduled files in Yahoo Groups (notices for Pending, Welcome, Removed, Left etc.).

Your Y!Group co-owners and moderators will copy over as ordinary members. You will need to promote them and set their moderator permissions anew in the Groups.io group.

Another exception is email addresses listed as "Bouncing" in the Y!Group - they will not be copied. It is possible (likely with a group that large) that Yahoo Groups will have made mistakes in determining the Bouncing status of some email addresses. Some of those listed as "Bouncing" might actually be fine. You can invite them to the Groups.io group after the transfer if you are concerned about that.

Also, some of the email addresses not listed by Y!Groups as "Bouncing" will turn out to be bad. Those will promptly become bouncing in the Groups.io group. There's no pressing need to worry about those, the Groups.io's bounce tracking will identify them and set their status accordingly.

Shal


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Re: question regarding 'no mail'

 

I find this statement very odd. I've never had a Yahoo email address, nor have
I ever had any problem accessing files, photos, etc. of groups I'm a member of
(haven't tried during the recent acess problems though). To be sure, I just
tried a couple of groups again, one I own, one I'm just a member. No problems
with either.

Jim Fisher

On 10 Mar 2018 at 13:45, Harlan Steinle wrote:

Shal,
They INITIALLY could, but a little over a year ago Yahoo made some changes so if
you were NOT subscribed with a Yahoo email address then you could NOT go to the
Yahoo site to see pictures, change email status etc. One of MANY changes they
made that caused problems, ESPECIALLY for people who were subscribed to my yahoo
groups WITHOUT subscribing under a yahoo email address. I assumed it was to
FORCE members to get a yahoo email address. The majority of my subscribers were
NOT yahoo email people. Harlan
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Migration questions

 

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I am the owner of the group named "betweenjobsministry".? The group has over 16000 members and handles about 400 messages a month. It is a relative "high turnover" group. About 250 members join and leave the group each month.

I am having many of the issues that have been discussed on GMF.? I have started the process to migrate to groups.io.? I am registered and accepted by groups.io.? My question is do I need to do all off the preliminary? setup as if I am setting up a new group in groups.io or will all of the set-up info (Owner, mediators, standard greeting letters, etc) are will of the set-up info come across as well?

I have lost files, logs, etc several times but YG Concierge has restored them.? I am currently waiting for them to restore one more time and then I will request a transfer.

Regards, FredJ


Re: messages between individuals

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There¡¯s no PM feature yet except in reply to a message. Some of us asked Mark for this years ago and it may be on his todo list.


On Mar 11, 2018, at 4:35 PM, Debra Claffey <debra@...> wrote:

Hi,
I did a tutorial at a group meeting today, and first, wanted to let you all know how wonderful my group thinks is, especially compared to Yahoo!?
Here's my question: We emphasize using Reply to Sender and Private in replying so we can keep email inundation to a minimum. A member asked today how they could message another member directly (but still in ), and I couldn't find the answer. Can you direct me?
Deb Claffey
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Re: Integration with Google Calendar #calendar

 

I believe calendar is one way.? However, you can go to Admin > Settings in your group, scroll way down to the Features section, and disable Calendar to remove it from the menu.

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RSS Feed Integration Questions #integration

Michael Rickey (AF6FB)
 

I have a couple of questions about the RSS Feed Integration. Is there a place I can find more details? I searched the wiki, but could only find a reference to the integration.

How often does the system look for updates to the feed?
If I remove a post from my blog, will groups.io remove the topic?
If I update a post from my blog, will groups.io update the topic? Will it create a new topic?
Does the integration make local (to groups.io) copies of images? Does it reference the images from the blog URL?

Thanks in advance


messages between individuals

Debra Claffey
 

Hi,
I did a tutorial at a group meeting today, and first, wanted to let you all know how wonderful my group thinks Groups.io is, especially compared to Yahoo!?
Here's my question: We emphasize using Reply to Sender and Private in replying so we can keep email inundation to a minimum. A member asked today how they could message another member directly (but still in groups.io), and I couldn't find the answer. Can you direct me?
Deb Claffey
New England Wax


Re: Integration with Google Calendar #calendar

Michael Rickey (AF6FB)
 

I would like to have the groups.io calendar pull from a Google calendar as well. We are already entrenched in the Google ecosystem and changing now would be a challenge.

If we can't have this, is there a way to remove "Calendar" from the menu for my group?

Thanks in advance,


Re: Bulk Download of files

 

Brian,

(For example, we might be having a discussion which involves the
review of several documents at a time.)
In Groups.io, for some purposes, the Wiki might be a better choice than the Files section. For example that might be true if the files are formatted text (like a message) and the result of review would be a round of revisions. A wiki page can be edited on site, and includes change tracking.

I just wanted to check I hadn't missed something before I go
through the process on the Beta group.
That's what we're here for (one of the things, anyway). ;-)

Shal


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Re: Integration with Google Calendar #calendar

 

I wrote:

However, I'm not entirely sure that isn't a one-time import.
It took overnight, but the Google calendar did update to include events added to the Groups.io calendar after the initial connection was made.

Shal


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Re: Bulk Download of files

 

Thx, Shal. I just wanted to check I hadn't missed something before I go through the process on the Beta group.

The FILES section is especially important to the Groups I look after. It would be especially useful to the Moderators to be able to download more than a single file at a time. (For example, we might be having a discussion which involves the review of several documents at a time.)

Brian.


Re: Transfer for Lyris List Manager #transfer

 

Thanks Shal. I¡¯ve started exchanging email with support on this question.

Peter

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Shal Farley <shals2nd@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 4:38:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [GMF] Transfer for Lyris List Manager #transfer

Peter,

> We have a few discussion groups that are currently run on a private
> Lyris service. ...
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> Is there a way to transfer these lists here to groups.io?

There isn't an automated way equivalent to Yahoo or Google groups, but
[email protected] can probably help you.

See also:



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Re: Transfer for Lyris List Manager #transfer

 

Peter,

We have a few discussion groups that are currently run on a private
Lyris service. ...

Is there a way to transfer these lists here to groups.io?
There isn't an automated way equivalent to Yahoo or Google groups, but [email protected] can probably help you.

See also:



Shal


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Re: Member Mad that she got Unsubbed

 

AOL marks a lot of messages submitted through Groups.io groups as Spam.

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IF the user will simply look through their email and mark them as not being spam, that will resolve the problem of being unsubbed when all Spam is deleted.

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As well, when spam is deleted and a person is unsubscribed to your group, when this action happens, they will receive a link to click on and be back in the group again.

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Doug




From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of ~mary~ <whodatgurl@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 1:25 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Member Mad that she got Unsubbed
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She uses AOL for her groups.??
mary
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