Re: What's going on here?

Dave,

1. First I got a private email from a member asking me where I took a certain photo that was in the archives that were transferred over a couple days ago from Y!G. I didn't take the photo, but it was clearly credited to me. ... In EVERY album, EVERY photo is credited to me. How?

Did you transfer any group content before transferring the membership? That would do it - the original contributor of the content would not have been present in the Groups.io group yet, so there was no corresponding subscription to which the content could be attributed as it was being copied. Otherwise I would take that up with [email protected].?

Upon research, I found that a bunch of hashtags had been created, all of which led to photo albums.

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I don't know what you mean by "led to photo albums". Hashtags are in the subject lines of messages, nowhere else that I know of.

2. In looking to see who created the hashtags, I see only two 'created' hashtags', yet there are half-dozen or more in the photos section of our group. In clicking on the hashtag 'created' by a trusted member of the group (who I know would not create hashtags) it took me to a post that he sent 14 years ago. Why?

Sorry, I have no clue what you mean.
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3. In looking at other activity, I see that we have also gotten many hundreds of emails just in the past few minutes that were sent from years past. They show up in the activity log but are apparently not being sent out as new messages via email. This includes quite a few emails from the former owner, who has passed away (which is what caught my eye). Thankfully. Is this is just cleaning up the transfer process, picking up loose ends, as it were?

The activity log shows the copy activity as happening in the present day, regardless of how old the content actually is.? The content itself should be timestamped with its original date/time from the Yahoo Group.

4. In the past 20 minutes, the activity log showed that 60+ of our ~1100 members changed their display name via email. Some of those members haven't been heard from in years. And 60 of them all decided to change their display name simultaneously? Really?

When a member posts to the group for the first time, but hasn't visited the web pages to set up a display name, Groups.io sets their Display Name according to the Display Name in the From field of their email message. The other possibility is that it is recording activity of the transfer agent.

Is all of this things that we should add to our learning curve of how Groups.io works? Or are any of these things that should be reported as bugs?

I'd say learning curve. The transfer-related stuff you may never need to know again.
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Shal

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Re: Issues turning off email

#5457

Click on the member name in the member's list. Look under "email delivery." If her setting is incorrect, you can fix it yourself.

Bruce

Re: Photo Album Ownership And Control #membership

#5456

Click on a photo album you've created, and then click on "edit album" to see available options.

Bruce

Re: Was my invitation accepted?

#5455

You should also receive an email message, if you have it set up that way which I think is the default, that you have a new member. I had invited an individual using the invite and I think I got one.
Stan

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On 3/1/2018 8:50 PM, John T wrote:
When an invitation is accepted they become members, you won't see any "attempt" (pending member request).   So... check your member list, it might have already been accepted... and you can proceed with the rest of the transfer steps :)

John T

 Al Rovner said:
 I haven't seen any new member from groups.io attempt to join my Yahoo group.  Was my invitation received for the wvdxc@yahoogroups account?

Re: Issues turning off email

#5454

Marv,

We have a member who says she is still receiving emails, but her subscription is set to "no emails". I suspect she is confused about which group she is receiving the emails from, ...

Or which address is receiving the messages. Sometimes members subscribe twice (or in the case of a transferred group, were subscribed twice in the Yahoo Group) and then forget about it.
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but before I wade into it, I would like to know if anyone has ever had issues with turning email off.

No. I've had members ask me to unsubscribe them because they didn't read how to do it for themselves, but none has come back later to say they're still getting emails.

Shal

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Re: Problem with Norton

#5453

Pat,

I have been trying to launch a new site for our neighborhood, but while testing we got a very scary message from Norton saying the site is unsafe - identify theft.

When did that happen? There was an incident involving false reports from several different AV and security tools about a week ago. See past incidents for February 26th, here:

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I believe the site is safe, but if I release this and people get this message, it will definitely scare them off.

Hopefully it won't happen again - hasn't happened before in the three and a half years I've been here.
?

I've tried reaching the developer but the support email is not working

What? That is, what do you mean by "not working"?

If you send an email message to [email protected] you should get an automated acknowledgement fairly promptly. How long it takes for a human response can vary, of course.
?

Does anyone have any advice?

If you see this currently cite it to [email protected] giving as much detail about it as you can. Screenshots may be helpful. If it was a few days ago no problem, as that incident was cleared up with Norton and the others.

Shal

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Re: Who "owns" a group - discussion

#5452

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The list names are like e-mail addresses, first come first served.?

I just transferred two YG lists that I did not own for their list owners.? First thing I did was create a new list in groups.io.

I also did that for a YG list I moderated that had an absentee owner.? I secured the same list name on groups.io five months before i could get the YG ownership issue settled.

I have also seen lists where the owner is going down with the YG ship and will not consider transferring (The YG list works fine with his dial-up service).? The result is that active members who want the list to continue create a new list on Google, Facebook or groups.io?

The way? it has been working is that if a [email protected] is deleted, the list name is lost.

However if the groups.io list is renamed, then the list name is available again.

The discussion about moving to groups.io has been a recurring topic on my YG lists for several months, some members have grown frustrated by inaction.

I moderate a YG list and today I got an un-subscription notice from a YG list member who said that he could no longer belong to a YG list as most of his lists had transferred to groups.io? I started the transfer Monday and the membership directory transferred this morning, as did his membership.? I admit I sent him an e-mail telling him he hadn't escaped, his membership had already transferred to the list on groups.io.

ken

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Re: Problem with Norton

#5451

It is not my intent to discourage the moves to IO, but all these messages about Norton, AVAST, and whatever does concern me. Even if there are no threats and these messages are false warnings, if I was a member of a group that got transferred over to IO and started getting these messages, I would immediately unsubscribe no matter how much the owner would claim they are false warnings. What is causing IO to trigger these warnings from these antivirus and malware programs? If they are not happening in YG but are here, why? It seems like a high priority should be devoted to correcting this.
Stan

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On 3/2/2018 11:56 AM, Pat O'Coffey wrote:
I have been trying to launch a new groups.io site for our neighborhood, but while testing we got a very scary message from Norton saying the site is unsafe - identify theft.  I believe the site is safe, but if I release this and people get this message, it will definitely scare them off.

I've tried reaching the groups.io developer but the support email is not working and I've tried to contact Norton, but of course am not getting a response.

Does anyone have any advice?  Thanks.  Pat

What's going on here?

#5450

Several things curious just happened this morning on the group I am co-owner of. Looking into the first uncovered the second and that seems to be uncovering a third and so on.

1. First I got a private email from a member asking me where I took a certain photo that was in the archives that were transferred over a couple days ago from Y!G. I didn't take the photo, but it was clearly credited to me. Upon research, I found that a bunch of hashtags had been created, all of which led to photo albums. In EVERY album, EVERY photo is credited to me. How?

2. In looking to see who created the hashtags, I see only two 'created' hashtags', yet there are half-dozen or more in the photos section of our group. In clicking on the hashtag 'created' by a trusted member of the group (who I know would not create hashtags) it took me to a post that he sent 14 years ago. Why? (Update: as I was composing this, I noticed that in that particular instance, there was a hashtag in the subject line of the message, which leads to No. 3.)

3. In looking at other activity, I see that we have also gotten many hundreds of emails just in the past few minutes that were sent from years past. They show up in the activity log but are apparently not being sent out as new messages via email. This includes quite a few emails from the former owner, who has passed away (which is what caught my eye). Thankfully. Is this is just cleaning up the transfer process, picking up loose ends, as it were?

4. In the past 20 minutes, the activity log showed that 60+ of our ~1100 members changed their display name via email. Some of those members haven't been heard from in years. And 60 of them all decided to change their display name simultaneously? Really?

Is all of this things that we should add to our learning curve of how Groups.io works? Or are any of these things that should be reported as bugs?

Dave

Re: Issues turning off email

J_Catlady

#5449

No.

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On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Marv Waschke <marv@...> wrote:

We have a member who says she is still receiving emails, but her subscription is set to "no emails". I suspect she is confused about which group she is receiving the emails from, but before I wade into it, I would like to know if anyone has ever had issues with turning email off.
Thanks, Marv

Issues turning off email

#5448

We have a member who says she is still receiving emails, but her subscription is set to "no emails". I suspect she is confused about which group she is receiving the emails from, but before I wade into it, I would like to know if anyone has ever had issues with turning email off.
Thanks, Marv

Re: Who "owns" a group - discussion

#5447

And to expand on what Dano said, it's not just on group sites that this happens. Look at all the times 'entrepeneurs' snap up domain names with the hope of being able to re-sell them at a later time to someone or some organization that would have a more compelling interest in using that internet address. Same general idea about the thinking of humans.

Dave

Re: Photo Album Ownership And Control #membership

#5446

Hi Don,

I see that you got no answer after 6 weeks or so. I would like to know the answer to your question. In other words, bump.

In addition I would like to know how to see who can access the Photo Albums. In Yahoo! Groups, the moderators could see the access control for any album. Where is that in Groups.io?

Regards

John Russell

Re: HELP! Hyphen in group name/URL not recognized

#5445

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 08:12 am, Dr. Denver Fox wrote:

BTW, I don't have this hyphen problem on my Yahoo accounts.

If the email is sent as plain text, it'll be up to your email reader to render the link (rightly or wrongly, if at all -- this is apparently what's happening to you). If the email is sent as HTML, the link will be hard-coded in (hopefully as the sender intended -- this is what happens to your mail from Yahoo).

-Don

Problem with Norton

#5444

I have been trying to launch a new groups.io site for our neighborhood, but while testing we got a very scary message from Norton saying the site is unsafe - identify theft.  I believe the site is safe, but if I release this and people get this message, it will definitely scare them off.

I've tried reaching the groups.io developer but the support email is not working and I've tried to contact Norton, but of course am not getting a response.

Does anyone have any advice?  Thanks.  Pat

Re: Who "owns" a group - discussion

#5443

I've seen it here and I saw it on Yahoo as well where people would use similar names or even the first group name as part of the first line of the description. I have actually saved one name here in case that Yahoo group decides to move in the future, and have made that quite clear to people those who have joined it. I know of another on groups.io where I suspect that is what is happening. A lot of people established groups here well before they moved because the saw the handwriting on the wall.

It's unfortunate that your friend's group was beat out to the name by someone else, but that is somewhat the nature of people. I suspect the same thing has been done on Google groups and in other locations.

As an editorial comment, I've found that gentle guidance works much better than heavy handed moderation. I have a couple groups that occasionally wander off, but the members themselves work to bring them back on topic. I find it's more important to treat members as responsible adults, rather than children, in order to maintain respect. And unless you have respect, authority doesn't do much good in the long run. Authority can be bestowed, but too many moderators forget respect has to be earned. I consider myself more the group janitor than the owner. If you think back to grade school, who got the more respect, the principal or the janitor?

Dano

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A friend (yes, a friend, not me) decided to move his group form Y! to here. But he came to groups to find a group with the same name already here. Turns out one of the group members didn't like his management style, so he started a competing (duplicate) group here on groups. (Y! manager kept the group strictly on topic, and this person wanted the group to be able to have off-topic conversations). For this incident, my friend is working with support/mark to address the issue, and has started his own somewhat renamed group here on groups.io.

The question for GMF:

Has anyone else seen this with their groups, or with groups they are a part of?  

- John

Re: 2 questions-use of 10g storage & number of subscribers

#5442

I have the group set up on ‘premium’ subscription which allows
me 10g storage. I have looked but can NOT find where on the
site I can see HOW MUCH of the 10g I’m currently using. Can
you direct me to where I can periodically check that usage?Harlan -
On the group page go to "Administration" and then click on "Billing". Images are the dark blue part of the bar. Files are the green part. Attachments open up on a separate page.
Dano

Re: Can transferring files be done separately? #files

#5441

Tammi,

Can you transfer the group without files and then later on transfer the files in?

I think so.

When you click the green "Start New Transfer" button you are given a list of checkboxes for what to transfer. You can uncheck Files.

Then when you're ready come back and uncheck everything except Files to start a second transfer.

Shal

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Who "owns" a group - discussion

#5440

I'm posting this incident to start a discussion here, not to solve a problem....

A friend (yes, a friend, not me) decided to move his group form Y! to here.? ? But he came to groups to find a group with the same name already here.??
Turns out one of the group members didn't like his management style, so he started a competing (duplicate) group here on groups.? ?(Y! manager kept the group strictly on topic, and this person wanted the group to be able to have off-topic conversations).
For this incident, my friend is working with support/mark to address the issue, and has started his own somewhat renamed group here on groups.io.

The question for GMF:

Has anyone else seen this with their groups, or with groups they are a part of???

- John

Re: Guidelines link

#5439

If you don't mind the public seeing them, you could set the Group Guidelines and/or Wiki so that they're visible without being logged in.? If you do want folks to be logged in to see them, then you should suggest on beta that the login follow through to the Group Guidelines page like Wiki does.

Duane
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