Re: After the transfer, some YG subscribers immediately opt out of new list on groups.io
You don¡¯t think Groups.io is working well? I do! We did our transfer maybe five weeks ago, after testing our new group out for about ten days before that. I turned everything off at the old group (No new members have been accepted there), and the only thing I use it for now is a sign post to redirect potential new members. I did a Google search for our group about three weeks ago, and our old Y group would come up on the first search results page, and the Groups.io group would be 3-4 pages back. The other day I did another search, and our Groups.io site came up on the first page. I could be wrong, but I¡¯m thinking maybe the activity at the Groups.io group, is causing it to come up first over the Y group. Once a week I send out a post from both groups reminding the members that the old site is shutting, and if they are staying with the new group to do the poll or email me personally. With those names I keep a list of members staying, and at the end of the month I¡¯ll be doing some house cleaning of the membership, then shut down the old site for good. If things get intolerable at Groups.io, I can always go back to Y and make a new group if I wanted too¡If that will be possible. ? Don ? ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul, Ohio, USA via Groups.Io Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 5:08 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [GMF] After the transfer, some YG subscribers immediately opt out of new list on groups.io ? I would not be hasty to Delete the Verizon/Yahoo group. With your edited homepage you have another source of members that appears to be working well & Groups.io is not, as of yet, well known. I intend to do the same when my main group is transferred.?
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A few days ago, Mark posted that he had over 400 groups waiting to be moved. I would guess that your message was probably received, but with that many groups waiting to be moved, there's just no time to acknowledge every request received.
hth,
Judy
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----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Gorodenski <stanlep@...> Reply-To: < [email protected]> To: < [email protected]> Sent: 2/20/2018 1:21:21 PM Subject: [GMF] The Transfer ________________________________________________________________________________ I sent a message to 'transfer' that I am ready to have the group transferred. I did this on Feb 15th. I never got a response that my message was received. Can I just assume they got it? Stan
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Re: Mods given editing power in member's signatures?
Hi Paul, We don't allow attachments or photos in our messages or our members would quickly use up ALL the dataspace on the entire internet so there we did? make a very simple email template for doing their signatures . It contains direct links, graphics and arrows.? The problem is they make mistakes (I'm not kidding when I say we sometimes? need to teach them how to copy and paste!).? When things get screwed up it creates layers upon layers of confusion for them.?? And of course, there is the added frustration of the crazy font sizes in the posted signatures caused hidden formatting brought on by copying and pasting from email to groups.io composers.?? It would be a god send to our overworked moderators to be able to just edit the signatures.?? Some people would say if the members are too computer illiterate to follow simple directions then too bad for them.? But it is not just them.? We help members who horses feet are too sore to even stand on.? Every day wasted sending and waiting for instructions to be interpreted and followed, means a horse is in a lot of pain ( often at 7-10 levels on a scale of 1-10).? J, I will go and suggest this right now in Beta.?? Thanks!?? -- -LeeAnne
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Perhaps my experience will be helpful to some.? I moved 2 very small groups early on in groups.io's existence.? I didn't use the transfer agent Mark has made available because both groups were so small, and it was easy to just invite everyone, plus they all knew we were "trying" this to see how we liked it.? It worked very well, and we remain on groups.io.
However, I had a larger list and I really dreaded making the change for a number of reasons. I don't know them all personally, and some are not particularly computer literate.? At first I figured using the transfer agent would be the smoothest and easiest, given the feedback from several owners.? However I kept postponing and hoping YG would shape up.? Didn't happen - kept getting worse.? Then the feedback started that owners trying to use the transfer were experiencing delays due to the huge numbers of folks bailing out from YG.? I was concerned that might complicate our move, and we might actually miss the opportunity to make a transfer if YG became completely inaccessible.
I decided my archives were not important enough to move. I could move the members who wanted to move, a re-create any necessary files. I downloaded YG group list to a database on my computer, then created my new group with the same name on Friday, and posted an explanation of what would be happening to the YG group.? I received incredibly supportive feedback and gratitude almost immediately, so on Saturday morning I started sending invites, usually 130 or so at a time.? I immediately began to get notices that the invites were being accepted.? By Sunday midday, all invites were sent, and everyone who had made the leap was delighted with how easy it was.
So far the new list is about 20% to 25% of the old list.? However folks still continue to join, so I don't think we've topped out yet.? A large percentage of the addresses on the old list were actually no good, I suppose due to YG's lack of maintenance, so that accounts for some.? Obviously there will be some who chose not to move, but I think that's healthy. The people who were using the list and benefiting from it will be on the new list on groups.io.? Those who were no longer contributing or even reading won't be on the new list, which seems appropriate.
I know skipping using the transfer agent saved us a lot of time, but it did mean sacrificing our archives, so it's not a one size fits all solution.? However, it's worth giving some thought to.
Cacky
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p.s. If they can't figure out how to change it, worst comes to worst you can remove their current email address's membership, and send them an invite (or direct add, if you're a premium group) to the address they want.
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Re: Topics I am following?
I'm pretty new here, but as far as I can tell, you can only manage your follows and mutes on the 'Manage My Subscriptions" page, which is basically the dashboard showing you your groups. One level up from the group(s) you belong to.
IOW, you can't manage them at the group level, you have to do it globally at the Groups.io level. I'm hoping Mark will add the ability to manage follows/mutes at the group level soon.
Click on the 'Your Groups' menu -> Manage My Subscriptions
Cheers.
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I sent a message to 'transfer' that I am ready to have the group transferred. I did this on Feb 15th. I never got a response that my message was received. Can I just assume they got it?
Stan
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Re: Topics I am following?
I never do this on mobile so I'm not sure about that. But like the documentation says, on your computer go to and look on the left sidebar. There should be "Topics" and under that "Followed." Click on that to bring up the list of all topics you're following, click on the one you want to unfollow, and then click on "unfollow." You have to go specifically to , which appears at the top left of any other page you're on. Click on that first.
On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Frances <frances@...> wrote: This group is one where I just get the first email in a thread and then choose others to follow. Now I don't see how to find the list of topics I am following. I found the help:
'Unfollowing Topics and Hashtags You Have Followed
There are two ways to unfollow a topic or a hashtag you have followed. You can click on "Unfollow This Topic" or "Unfollow [#hashtag=name]" at the bottom of any email in the topic or with the hashtag, respectively. Or, you can go to the home page , find the topic or hashtag in your "Followed" list, click on it, and then click on "Unfollow This Topic" or "Unfollow This Hashtag.""
Where is my "Followed" list? I used to see it. Can't find it now on my computer or on my iPhone.
Frances
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I can easily find the change my subscription page from email footer -?/g/GroupManagersForum/editsub/19
And I used to be able to get to that screen from Groups.io, from my name in the top right corner.
Now the only way I can get to that page is from the Manage Your Subscriptions page and then click on the hyperlinked modifier for each of my subscriptions - single, digest, etc.
Does it matter? Perhaps not, but I thought it was there and hunted, all for naught!
Frances
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This group is one where I just get the first email in a thread and then choose others to follow. Now I don't see how to find the list of topics I am following. I found the help:
'Unfollowing Topics and Hashtags You Have Followed
There are two ways to unfollow a topic or a hashtag you have followed. You can click on "Unfollow This Topic" or "Unfollow [#hashtag=name]" at the bottom of any email in the topic or with the hashtag, respectively. Or, you can go to the home page groups.io, find the topic or hashtag in your "Followed" list, click on it, and then click on "Unfollow This Topic" or "Unfollow This Hashtag.""
Where is my "Followed" list? I used to see it. Can't find it now on my computer or on my iPhone.
Frances
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Re: a question & a bit of advice
ruthie, at its height, how many YGs were there? The base of its directory showed a count of a little over ten million. Not including unlisted groups, but certainly including some abandoned or otherwise fallow group, and test groups. They also claimed over 100 Million users. Though it was widely suspected that included test accounts and dormant ones. Thus far the highest posterid I've seen in Groups.io is 716,907 - but undoubtedly some recently transferred group has a member with higher one. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Can a moderator change a member's email address? A member just asked me and I don't know.?
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The more I read about the transfer waiting line getting longer and longer, the more I see yahoo problems heaping up and the more I hear talk about shutting YGs down, the more panicky I get about missing the right moment to have my group transferred. I am convinced the transfer itself will cause a big loss of members. But the fact that they will suddenly not only have to adjust to a new look but to a different language as well keeps me from initiating transfer before a translation is available. ? So I really do not know what to do. I certainly am not understating if I tell you that there are thousands of German yahoo groups with serious issues which all eventually will join the wainting line for transfer as soon as a German version is available. ? Concerned regards ? Victoria ? ?
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Re: Messages under wrong year!
OK, thanks, I'll just leave them, it's only a minor issue
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a question & a bit of advice
FWIW, we put our YG group into full moderation and edited our notifications: Pending Mbr, Reject and Goodbye notes all point to our new group here. And a notice on the YG homepage that we have moved, of course.
As for number of YG groups, the "reported" figures from years ago is 10 million groups and 100 million users:
I still haven't decided if YG is falling apart or if new owners are just poking around and kicking the tires a bit. Simply abandoning "x" million users wouldn't be something to do lightly, I would think. Should be interesting.
Drew
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On 02/20/18 09:05, Ruthie Levi wrote: for those who ask about how to handle ur old YG, with regard to new members¡we shut down the ability for new members to join, which causes an email to the ¡°owner¡± email address when the person attempts to apply for membership, so in this way, we still capture the person¡¯s interest & can redirect them to the new IO group.
at its height, how many YGs were there? IO now has 4653 groups. i enjoy watching the counter go up on new groups created daily. i think at 5000 we shud throw a virtual party here!
ruthie levi
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Re: After 6 days, still no transfer from yahoogroups
Is there any particular order in when they get transferred? Our group has 2 'owners' and the other owner sent the 'start transfer' request on 2/8 or 2/9. To date, no transfer. Seems odd that Ken's group would get transferred in 6 1/2 days, while we're still waiting. Unless Mark is having trouble with Yahoo!'s side of things.?
Dave
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Have that member check their spam filter. I've sent out invitations and had members join within 5 minutes.
Dave
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The 5,000 mark and a larger number could have other consequences. Why don't we stop taking things so personally and just consider the facts?
Stan
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On 2/20/2018 9:05 AM, J_Catlady wrote: On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 07:21 am, Ruthie Levi wrote:
/i think at 5000 we shud throw a virtual party here!/
I agree! And speaking of which, it is a testament to Mark *the person* that he and his product have garnered such strong support among transferees. To all the people here expressing doubt, I think that augers well for the company.
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Don Grass
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Shal Farley
Victoria