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Re: INOS - SPAM

 

On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 08:56 AM, CW Bill Rouse wrote:
I think there may be a problem.
Bill -- Well, not really. GMF often receives spam emails at our +owner address. We just ignore them.
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For the record, IONOS is a legitimate web-hosting company based in Germany. Groups.io is not hosted by them, nor can I imagine that IONOS would provide any services for a mere 2 Euros.
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Regards,
Bruce
INOS - SPAM

 

I think there may be a problem. See the following
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IONOS via groups.io?<Support@...> ?
Sep 16, 2024, 10:06?PM (9 hours ago)
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to?main+owner
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Dear Customer,

Your invoice for �1.99 remains unpaid for over a week. This is a friendly reminder to settle the amount to avoid any service disruptions.

Your current payment method was declined, and we request you update your details within 48 hours. Please click below to make the necessary updates.

Update Payment Method
[Note: The above link has been deactivated by the GMF Moderator]
We value your business and want to ensure uninterrupted access to our services. Thank you for your prompt action.

Warm regards,
The IONOS Team

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CW Bill Rouse
Owner, Amel Yacht Owners Group?
Re: One Drive hack/spam

 

On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 02:53 AM, Sally Ahnger wrote:
I have Member List Visibility set to Members because people want to be able to see the list.
That's fine - if necessary - but you need to understand the risks involved. This is the main one.

But I have "mask email addresses in archive" set. ?
This helps, although they are masked for non-members anyway. Note that email addresses will still show up in outgoing group emails.

And in visibility I have "group not listed in directory, private messages". ?Does that make the archive private???
Yes, it does.

I also have Restricted Membership, so people can't join without approval. ?
That's good. Note that you cannot make the Member List available unless your group is Restricted.

So I don't think anyone has joined and then stolen email addresses.
I hope not, but realize that by sharing the Member List you've made it convenient for them do to so. Exercise due caution in vetting of new members and check existing members for anyone that looks suspicious.
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As previously mentioned by others, it's also possible that one [or more] of your members has had their contacts list stolen. There's nothing you can do about that.
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Good luck,
Bruce
Re: Pictures placed in messages end up bunched up at bottom of message

 

@Christos
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If that is the case about plain text then I could see how the images get haphazardly (presumably) attached as files after the message.?
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Sometimes, and I haven't seen any commonslittly to help troubleshoot this, Apple Mail that I compose on my phone will be sent as plain text. ?
No apparent rhyme nor reason.?
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Ken
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Re: One Drive hack/spam

 

Thanks. ?I have Member List Visibility set to Members because people want to be able to see the list. ?But I have "mask email addresses in archive" set. ?And in visibility I have "group not listed in directory, private messages". ?Does that make the archive private? ?I can't find a setting to make the archive private.
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I also have Restricted Membership, so people can't join without approval. ?So I don't think anyone has joined and then stolen email addresses.
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Also, I did get one of the malicious emails and when I asked the person it was purportedly from, she said she had received the same message. ?So it's possible that one member's private email account was hacked and all the rest of the people who are getting these emails are in that person's contact list.
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If this is not happening to other groups.io email lists then the problem is clearly not with groups.io.
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Thanks,
SAlly
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Re: Pictures placed in messages end up bunched up at bottom of message

 

Marilyn
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That occurs because you are attaching a FILE (which just happens to be an image file.) ?Just like attaching a PDF or XLS, the file is placed separate from the message body itself.?
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Using the insert image tool **should** place (embed) the image where your cursor is located.?
Re: How to send poll results to the group (in a simple way) #howto #polls

 

Also, though they might be able to use software to decode an image to
text and have it read to them, it requires extra effort on their part
and even then, the whole image to text translation thing might get
really botched up in the translation.

Then again, they might even not realize there's an image to decode.


Donald


On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:39:25 -0700, "Sarah k Alawami"
<marrie12@...> wrote:

If you have any visually impaired or folks
with cognitive disabilities on there, they might not be able to read a
screenshot at all thereby having them miss the results.


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Re: One Drive hack/spam

 

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Sally shares:

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“Hi All,

Members of my group are reporting a malicious email, not sure whether to call it phishing or not. ?It purports to be one member of the group sharing a One Drive document with another member and asking the recipient to click on a link to see the document. ?The email is from one member to another using their email addresses. ?It doesn't go through groups.io.

Are other groups seeing this, or does it mean that my account has been hacked?

Thanks

厂补濒濒测”

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More that likely that e-mails have been harvested “somewhere”.?? Since the messages in question were sent from _one_ of your members to _other_ members of your group, but not _through_ the group there are several ways the e-mails could have been compromised.

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  1. The member list could have been gleaned from your group’s membership list on Groups.io.? As others have mentioned, this would depend on how accessible the group’s membership and e-mails are on the list.? Others have already suggested ways to protect against this.
  2. More likely is the computer of the individual purported to be sending the messages has been compromised in one way or another, including .? If other group members are in his personal e-mail list on that computer, that would explain they are getting messages from “him” directly, and not through the group.? If the group address is/was in that member’s e-mail the list would most likely get a copy of that e-mail too.
  3. Under no circumstances should recipients of e-mails of this type click on those links unless they are expecting such an e-mail.? The link most likely contains a malware payload that will install itself on their computer for any number of nefarious reasons.? Anyone who received and opened such a link should scan their systems with approved protection software.? Various folks have different opinions on what works for them, but always keep your subscriptions to date, turn on automatic updates, and scan daily (usually in the wee small hours of the morning.

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Best regards,

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Steve

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Steve Haas

Snoqualmie, WA
Re: Pictures placed in messages end up bunched up at bottom of message

 

For what it is worth, I have been using Apple mail for years, and it has always put any attachments at the end of the message. That is using the paper clip icon for attachments, not copy/paste thru the clipboard.

Marilyn
Re: How to send poll results to the group (in a simple way) #howto #polls

 

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I would not do a screenshot. If you have any visually impaired or folks with cognitive disabilities on there, they might not be able to read a screenshot at all thereby having them miss the results. Just my thoughts.

On 9/13/2024 11:18 AM, Marina via groups.io wrote:

On Fri, Sep 13, 2024 at 12:35 AM, ~*~WillowRaven~*~ wrote:
What about a screenshot, and share that with the group?
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My group is set to not accept attachments. I guess I would have to upload the screenshot to the files section and invite subscribers to go and look at it, which is not what I wanted to achieve.
I think I'll stick with the copy and paste solution Bruce suggests, but I think it would be helpful to have a "Share poll results with group" option. Maybe I'll try to ask for it on Beta.
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Thanks everyone for the advice.
Marina
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Re: One Drive hack/spam

 

On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 01:03 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
there are steps you can take to inhibit spammers from harvesting email addresses:
You can also make the group restricted, if it's not already, so that not just anyone can join and start collecting email addresses.
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Duane
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Re: Why the Polls section isn't named Polls? #polls

 

On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 08:59 PM, Don Grass wrote:
How did you get to that selection of options you posted the image of?
It's not on the left side menu. It's at the top of the list of messages/topics:
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Regards
Andy
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Re: Why the Polls section isn't named Polls? #polls

 

How did you get to that selection of options you posted the image of? All I can see is Messages, New Topics, Drafts, and New Poll. When I click on New Poll, I'm taken to the New Poll creation page. At the very top of that page I can see the name of my group/Polls (with the icon)/New Poll. Clicking on Polls (with the icon), displays all our past polls.
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Don G
Re: Pictures placed in messages end up bunched up at bottom of message

 

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Ken,

You can see what he's referring to by comparing /g/BayAstro/topic/events_of_week_of_07_15_2024/107225956 and /g/BayAstro/topic/events_of_week_of_09_09_2024/108349544.? If you join the group, you could look at the source code of the messages to see if there are differences? in how the photos were included, say imbedded vs attached.

I had a look at these two message sources and you're using Apple Mail to compose and send in the messages. I'm no expert in message formatting by any means but it looks like the issue is with Apple Mail config or the way you're formatting the messages, has anything changed in its configuration/settings or something, for composing new messages?

One things that's different between the two, a "good" one shows this:
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
?? ?boundary="Apple-Mail=_92A20DF4-FBC4-4AE9-8049-AED8F143AA17"

--Apple-Mail=_92A20DF4-FBC4-4AE9-8049-AED8F143AA17
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Type: text/plain;
?? ?charset=utf-8
vs a "bad" one:
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
?? ?boundary="Apple-Mail=_C7C19F85-0D1F-4876-B71D-3EE8119C5759"

--Apple-Mail=_C7C19F85-0D1F-4876-B71D-3EE8119C5759
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Type: text/plain;
?? ?charset=us-ascii

There are other differences on how the message source is displayed due to the above differences, the good one shows this:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
vs the bad one:
==============================

plus some other formatting differences due to the Content-Transfer-Encoding difference.

Again, I'm not very knowledgeable in message formatting, but it almost looks like the bad ones were sent strictly as text-only (instead of HTML), and that would cause any embedded inline images to appear at the bottom as (true) attachments. Or something to that effect, things point to the way the messages are formatted when sent in and not due to Groups.io handling.

Cheers,
Christos
Re: One Drive hack/spam

 

Hi Sally

No I am not seeing that or having it reported by my subscribers

But rather than your account being hacked, it sounds like one of your subscribers email accounts has been compromised

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

On 16/09/2024 18:42, Sally Ahnger via groups.io wrote:
Hi All,
Members of my group are reporting a malicious email, not sure whether to call it phishing or not. ?It purports to be one member of the group sharing a One Drive document with another member and asking the recipient to click on a link to see the document. ?The email is from one member to another using their email addresses. ?It doesn't go through groups.io.
Are other groups seeing this, or does it mean that my account has been hacked?
Thanks
Sally
Re: One Drive hack/spam

 

On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 01:44 PM, Sally Ahnger wrote:
Members of my group are reporting a malicious email, not sure whether to call it phishing or not. ?It purports to be one member of the group sharing a One Drive document with another member and asking the recipient to click on a link to see the document. ?The email is from one member to another using their email addresses. ?It doesn't go through groups.io.
This is a classic phishing ploy.
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The "bad guys" harvest email addresses of people who have some relationship to each other, and exploit that by sending a message to one of them purporting to be the other one. Usually, I see this in my non-profit organization, where I receive mysterious messages from the "President" asking me to contact him or send money somewhere. The spammer has obviously stolen our addresses from our web site (where I am listed as a board member).
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It can also be done via phone call. We once had someone call claiming to be our grandson, who had just gotten into a wreck. My wife got all upset about this until I asked to be handed the phone and demanded that the caller provide his name.
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"It's me, your grandson."
"Yes, but what is your NAME? You know your own name, don't you?"
[Wild guess...] "Mike Bowman?"
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I hung up on him.

Are other groups seeing this, or does it mean that my account has been hacked?
A hacked account seems unlikely, especially if you're not the one who seems to be "sending/receiving" these messages. That said, there are steps you can take to inhibit spammers from harvesting email addresses:
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1) Set "Member List Visibility" to owners only,
2) Make the group's message archive private, and/or
3) Turn on "mask email addresses in archive"
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Hope this helps,
Bruce
One Drive hack/spam

 

Hi All,
Members of my group are reporting a malicious email, not sure whether to call it phishing or not. ?It purports to be one member of the group sharing a One Drive document with another member and asking the recipient to click on a link to see the document. ?The email is from one member to another using their email addresses. ?It doesn't go through groups.io.
Are other groups seeing this, or does it mean that my account has been hacked?
Thanks
Sally
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Re: Pictures placed in messages end up bunched up at bottom of message

 

On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 10:09 AM, KWKloeber wrote:
Could you post screenshots of examples of a prior “successful” message and what you're ending up with now?
You can see what he's referring to by comparing /g/BayAstro/topic/events_of_week_of_07_15_2024/107225956 and /g/BayAstro/topic/events_of_week_of_09_09_2024/108349544.? If you join the group, you could look at the source code of the messages to see if there are differences? in how the photos were included, say imbedded vs attached.
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Duane
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Re: Pictures placed in messages end up bunched up at bottom of message

 

On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 04:17 AM, Ken Lum wrote:
? ? ??pictures I have been posting to individual listings to serve as topic labels have ended up taken off the listings and piled up at the end of the whole message.
? ? ? Seems like a bug in Groups.io and wonder what to do about it. Can Groups.io correct the problem?
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Ken Lum
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What do you mean “topics labels”?
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“Individual listing”? ?- each message posted perhaps?
“Taken off the listings”??
A better explanation/”verbal picture” of what's going on might help here v
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Could you post screenshots of examples of a prior “successful” message and what you're ending up with now? ?Also if possible a shot of how it looks before you SEND a new one that fails?
Also when you say bunched up - is that in the turned around email? ?or how it appears in the web UI? ?Or Mobil app?
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Ken
Re: Pictures placed in messages end up bunched up at bottom of message

 

Ken . . .

On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 00:29:33 -0700, "Ken Lum via groups.io"
<lum40@...> wrote:

Over the last month and one other time before, pictures I have been posting to individual listings to serve as topic labels have ended up taken off the listings and piled up at the end of the whole message.

In addition to the questions Andy asked, try to determine if you are
doing anything different than you were when this wasn't happening. He
asked about your email client if you are posting by email, so did you
change email clients, like switch from Thunderbird to Outlook, etc.
(insert your email programs here)? If you are posting from the group
website, are you using a different web browser at times?

It may indeed be a bug in the system created when Mark made some other
change, but I would expect it's something you are doing different from
when this didn't happen.


Donald



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