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Ditto for me. I have the same concerns as Barb, plus, will the 1G option be free in the future? To keep it free, could there at some time be a cap on the number of messages? Right now there is no limit on the number of messages even if they in total exceed 1G.

Another thought that concerns me is that I believe I read that one or more of the creators of what is now Yahoo groups was bought out by Yahoo around 1999. What assurance do we have that the same thing might not happen with groups.io, except being bought out by maybe another company instead of Yahoo? Then, probably, we would once again have to cope with being inundated with advertisements, maybe higher charges for space, and maybe once again experiencing the slowness and other problems we now experience with Yahoo.
Stan

Hi all,

These are the change logs for the last three weeks:



(guess I've been derelict in this task)

Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.

NEW: When [email protected] receives an invite to join a Yahoo Group,
we automatically send back an acknowledgement that we received the
invite.
CHANGE: Changed the Yahoo crawling code to retry all fetches of
messages, files and photos, and to report errors in group transfers.

These were both in response to the problems Yahoo Groups were having. Sending back a prompt acknowledgment won't stop people from trying again when they get the (erroneous) error message on the Invite page, but it may keep them from coming back to it and trying some more later. Anyway, something to tell people when they ask about what to do when Invite "fails".

NEW: Fig Leaf group setting to disable fig leafing.

This one has been long awaited by some group managers. I'm not sure if it makes sense in a group with unrestricted membership (such as GMF), but where membership is carefully guarded the risk is minimal.

("Fig leaf" refers to masking the domain name (the part to the right of the @ sign) of email addresses when message bodies are displayed in the group's Messages section. The original purpose was to combat spammers who might join a group simply to collect email addresses from its archived messages.)

CHANGE: Improved information display after sending a login link;
contains info about the subject line and sender.

Thanks to all of you who participated in the threads on beta, helping Mark improve the guidance given to new Groups.io users

CHANGE: Smarter about when to make a member clickable in the Members
page based on moderator privileges.
CHANGE: Added text to moderator privileges part of member page,
explaining more of what access is granted with each one.

I and some others here noticed some anomalies in how the settings interacted with the members list. I need to go back and try them again to see the improvements, and see if any cases were missed.

CHANGE: Added anchors to the FAQs on the Pricing page.

Now it is easy to cite particular parts of the page, when people ask "but what about ...". Same as the Help page - link icons appear when you hover near a section heading. Copy that link and it will take people to that section.

NEW: Automatically strip out common email sigs like "Sent from my
iPhone".

Yay! He's long had a list of ads to strip, it makes sense to do that for sigs like this, which are essentially ads. I've noticed a few ads for a certain antivirus vendor sneak through into pending messages, I'll have to cite one of those for Mark.

And to anyone using a software product that drops ads into your outbound email messages, please check and see if there's a control that will let you turn that off. Your fellow list members (and moderators) will appreciate it.

NEW: Added J's Member Notices help text to the help section.
NEW: New Muting and Following section of help from J.

Thank-you J_Catlady! Your work improving the official help page will help a lot of people.

BUGFIX: Don't HTML Escape the email subject used for mailto replies in
full digests, because it was causing html escaped entities to show
up inappropriately.

Oh my. I've been known to heap towering piles of scorn onto Yahoo Groups' programmers for not being able to keep straight when plain text is plain text. But I will admit this is a subtle case. ;-)


Comments about these others are also welcome:

Changed 'All Messages' to 'Individual Messages' Email Delivery option.
CHANGE: Don't set a user's name from email if the subscription has a
name already set.
CHANGE: In the direct add page for a group with subgroups, sort the
subgroups alphabetically.
BUGFIX: Fix for brackets in subject lines screwing up full digests and
summaries.
BUGFIX: If 2 factor is enabled, do not allow the user to delete their
password.
CHANGE: Don't strip CC headers if present in the original message.
INTERNAL: Centralized all logs, on a big disk, to be able to reference
more than a day's worth.
CHANGE: When viewing a table, you can now click anywhere on a row to
bring up the row itself.
CHANGE: Prevent known bots from submitting an email a login link
request.
INTERNAL: Sped up the overall topics view.
BUGFIX: When creating a repeating event with an RSVP, the RSVP note
was not included in the message sent to the group.
INTERNAL: Changed the database queries to make jumping to a specific
month in the archives more efficient.
BUGFIX: Fixed a permissions problem that would sometimes not allow
someone to edit their own row in a table.
BUGFIX: Fix issue that would sometimes cause the Downgrade Group
button to not do anything.
CHANGE: Reformatted the login page, changed some wording to hopefully

make it easier to understand.

INTERNAL: Updated the publicsuffix package for parsing domains when
figuring out DMARC.
CHANGE: Changed "email group" to "group" in direct add/invite
/subgroupdirect add emails.
BUGFIX: Hopefully fix deadlock issue when multiple simultaneous clicks
on a mute thread link.
CHANGE: When migrating a group to an enterprise group, change any
default welcome messages to reflect the new domain.
NEW: Can disable converting +1 emails to likes on a per-enterprise
group basis (some enterprise groups don't want this feature).
INTERNAL: Support for dns-01 authentication scheme with Let's Encrypt
when fetching new certs, because tls-01 has gone away.
NEW: New subgroup privacy option: unlisted, public archives.
CHANGE: We now support more Facebook pages, ones that have their
Facebook ID appended to the end of their name.
BUGFIX: Database table searches could return results from other tables
in the same group.
BUGFIX: Fixed a bug in the code that looks for inline attachments in
HTML parts that would result in a broken MIME part.
BUGFIX: After editing an event, return to the same month on the
calendar.
BUGFIX: Fixed updating a single event to a repeating event and
converting a repeating event to a single event.
BUGFIX: Fixed privacy setting options for subgroups on the settings
page.
INTERNAL: Upgraded Go compiler to latest version.
BUGFIX: Changed repeating parts of a repeating event were not saved.
CHANGE: Change 'Send Invite To Group' to default to checked, 'Send
Notice to Group' default to unchecked when created a new event.
CHANGE: For repeating events with RSVPs, the link from the #cal-invite
page takes you to a view event page that lets you select which
instance to RSVP to.
CHANGE: Direct adds now contain a link to the normal /leave page
instead of a special /directunsub page, for more consistency and to
prevent spam filters from unsubscribing someone accidentally.
CHANGE: Text clarification in the confirmation email and when joining
a group for the first time. Also, you can now set your password
directly in the welcome screen from the confirmation email.
BUGFIX: For polls with answers that contained quotes, when editing the
poll, the answers were chopped off.
BUGFIX: When viewing profiles groups with a subdomain in the Accounts
view, the profile photo was sometimes broken.
NEW: Enterprise groups can use their Google Analytics code.
CHANGE: Viewing poll responses in the 'Answer' mode, we no longer page
because that gave incorrect results. Also display total responders
instead of responses, and we now display percentages for each
answer.
CHANGE: Temporarily removed jump points on the overall Topics view
because my algorithm was completely wrong and did not work.
CHANGE: Added Help link to top navbar.
CHANGE: Tweaked limits of email sending server to fix delayed email
delivery.

Please call out any you find significant.

Shal



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Don,

> I did find the post, and there were really three images attached. When
> I clicked on the thumbnail in the post and clicked on Inspect I copied
> this.
> <div class="att-thumb grey has-thumb" data-imgurl="
> ...> Does that tell you anything?

I think it tells me that that particular image, thinlite cover.JPG, was picked out by Yahoo! Groups and replaced with a link to it as an attached image file. This looks like code for a thumbnail of the image at the bottom of the message, and notably the thumbnail is an "http" style image, not itself an attachment. The thumbnail is still stored there:




Note, in this message the thumbnail is a "cid" image, I did that rather than "http" in case the image isn't available later.

So, no, from this particular code snippet I'd say we only saw a demonstration of what I expected: "http" images are not attachments.

You might have to have saved this message in your email folders to have it as a "pristine" example, unmodified by Yahoo Groups.

Shal


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Norman,

... is there any way to whitelist him here so he's not continuously
removed?

No.

Mark's concern is that the email service will "punish" Groups.io (by treating more of its messages as spam) if he does not act on their notice about the member marking the message as spam.

(Yes, I know sometimes the member didn't do that, it was the service that delivered the message to the member's spam folder. Can't be helped, that's just bad behavior on the part of that email service. An automatic delivery to the spam folder ought, IMO, be treated as a neutral event.)

Shal


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Sharon,

... I have resisted HTML vigorously. (The colors and fonts people
choose are horrendous.)

The "Normalize HTML Emails" checkbox, in the Message Formatting section of your group's Settings page, will help with that if you want to allow some formatting.

Suddenly “attachments” appeared. I couldn’t figure out how people had
gotten them attached. Huge pictures, etc.

But won't help with that, it still allows images to pass.

I think I tried combining that with setting the Attachments option to "Strip". The result in some (but not all) cases was a rectangle outline where the image had been, in other cases the text closed up leaving no empty space where the image had been. I don't think I tried "http" or "data" images to see if they would still appear.

Shal


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Thanks Duane.? Our group is private so that answers it.? Thanks so much!

--Paula

Shal,

I looked for the file in Attachments on my YG, and I could not find it. I did find the post, and there were really three images attached. When I clicked on the thumbnail in the post and clicked on Inspect I copied this.

<div class="att-thumb grey has-thumb" data-imgurl=" id="yui_3_15_0_2_1518886354882_5350" style="background-image: url(/g/GroupManagersForum/messages/&quot;;);"><div class="header"><div class="att-type" aria-hidden="true">JPG</div><div class="att-size" aria-hidden="true">40 KB</div></div><div class="att-name fs-12" aria-hidden="true">thinlite cover.JPG</div></div>

Does that tell you anything?

Don

Only the parts that are publicly accessible.? That pretty much limits it to messages, calendar, or the Wiki, if they're set up to be public.? Don't forget that as long as you don't log out, you can quickly go to a page for 30 days (per device) until it will ask you to log in.

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Hi Duane,

Many thanks for that link. It does give me a good feeling that I can see everything is being tracked. This is like a breath of fresh air compared with the werid way that Yahoo! dealt with issues for Groups by allowing users to vote on them and then provide no actual support.

Regards

John Russell

?

Is it possible to access a group's website features from links that are included in the bodies of email messages, without manually logging in?

--Paula

He'd need to check with his ISP to see what, if anything, they'll do.? As Rachel mentioned, marking them as Not Spam or moving them to the Inbox may eventually stop it, but that depends on what the ISP has set up.

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Thank you so much - this worked awesomely! ?
I had a hunch you guys would come through with a solution much faster than I would.

What I did was use find/replace to change “Display Name” to “First Name”, “Last Name”?
then I had to add in another field to the header line to account for the additional field in the csv

Here is the blow by blow:
Download the membership list (it listed the csv data on the web page I was using)
either save to a file OR select all & copy/paste to a text file (both ways worked)
cut out the header data line of the csv & save it somewhere (like in another text file)
use find/replace to change all spaces to comma quote comma (,”,)?
go get that header line and paste it back in
edit the header to add in the new field (I changed Display Name to First Name and added ,“Last Name”, )
save the file
in Numbers (excell) I just opened the csv file and it worked

I’m just giddy over this - our group is a quilt group. I’m 60 & one of the youngest, they have been razzing me for months about my sign in sheets sorted by first name - boy will they be surprised at our next meeting!!

i think a member is only removed when they delete the spam messages from the spam folder.
If he moves the spam messages into his inbox and then deletes them he should be fine.

He should also be able to click the "not spam" link in his email to stop this from happening.

I had this happen to a member with an AOL email address who is on two of my groups.

Rachel

One member repeatedly has groups.io?messages marked as spam. He's aware the problem must stem from his ISP, but is there any way to whitelist him here so he's not continuously removed? It's happened at least a dozen times so far....

Thank you, Shal, for explaining this. With viruses still spread in email attachments, none of my public lists allow attachments. And for simplicity I have resisted HTML vigorously. (The colors and fonts people choose are horrendous.) A few years ago I relented on HTML for about 2 weeks because there were so many people who wanted to format their messages.

Suddenly “attachments” appeared. I couldn’t figure out how people had gotten them attached. Huge pictures, etc. I dropped the HTML and got no arguments, but I’ve never understood what happened.

The same thing is true in Apple Mail. I often search messages for an attachment and suddenly, not all messages with “attachments” are marked with the paperclip. It’s now undependable.

Sharon

Sharon -
I too had similar concerns about HTML. I have one group with a number of older members who have their default screen displays set to certain fonts and sizes, and screen colors set to their preferences for readability. On the other side of the coin, members are now used to having photos accompany discussions as Facebook does. I have been a big advocate of groups.io's plain text messages, but still allowing attachments. It lets everyone keep their own preferred views and still share photos, And as you explain, it keeps out a lot of undesirable stuff.

The other thing I was an advocate for was letting individual users set their own maximum size limits for accepting attachments. Some users are still on dialup, while others have very fast connections, so users can set things for themselves, and see a link instead if they prefer.

I think you'll find a lot of unique features here on groups.io because of Mark's desire to work with users to make things better. That synergy makes groups.io so much more user friendly than other platforms. I think this is why new users say it's so much better here, but can't quite describe why.

Dano

Just my thoughts here -
Having moved several groups (and yes, I go back even to 1-List, before egroups :>P? ) -
the "backlog" that is happening now is much more because of the major issues in YG - and that's not anything that Mark can control (though he's working his butt off to accommodate it).
One group I moved was a year ago, and I've not seen much "hit" on support from Mark even with this Yahoo crunch. Another group I moved (I'm the web master of this chapter of an organization, so the decision of when to move was not mine; they did get scared enough last fall to begin the search and decision process and we were well into it when Yahoo started the death spiral last month. I'd scheduled the move with Mark several weeks earlier; then we felt that we needed to go sooner in order to get out intact. I asked him about moving it up, and we were out within 2 days.

While I'm sure that the Yahoo debacle is taking its toll on things, neither am I seeing a major negative impact other than being personally worried about Mark.
Ginny

You can make your own in the Member Notices. That's what I have done in all of my groups. System sends it out when there is a request to join; I don't act on the request unless and until they reply to it.
Ginny

Shal,

On 2/17/2018 1:36 AM, Shal Farley wrote:

Stan,

Also, when I was exploring what all the options were for the uploaded
cover image (by right clicking on the mouse) one of the options I
clicked on wiped out the customized Windows background color.

Oops.

As far as I know Groups.io never overrides the right-mouse menu, so whatever menu you saw there was provided by SeaMonkey or your operating system. So nearly anything's possible at that point.

When I right clicked I had seen a set of choices I had never seen before and so it seemed to me these were choice provided by groups.io. From what you are saying they are not. If I get the ambition I can create a test group, do a right click and then get a screen print to display what they are.
Stan

On Feb 17, 2018, at 4:26 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Speculation on my part, but maybe it wasn't an attachment.

cid: - a traditional attached image file
http: - a "remote" image hosted somewhere on the internet
data: - an inline image file

Thank you, Shal, for explaining this. With viruses still spread in email attachments, none of my public lists allow attachments. And for simplicity I have resisted HTML vigorously. (The colors and fonts people choose are horrendous.) A few years ago I relented on HTML for about 2 weeks because there were so many people who wanted to format their messages.

Suddenly “attachments” appeared. I couldn’t figure out how people had gotten them attached. Huge pictures, etc. I dropped the HTML and got no arguments, but I’ve never understood what happened.

The same thing is true in Apple Mail. I often search messages for an attachment and suddenly, not all messages with “attachments” are marked with the paperclip. It’s now undependable.

Sharon
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