As Dave Sergeant said earlier, this is all about the GDPR EU regulations that come into force on 25 May 2018.? As they are from the EU legislation, they are extremely complex and are of the classic "sledgehammer to crack a nut" variety.

Loads of practical guides will appear on the internet as the date approaches, and I guess we are all going to have to read whichever of those we trust and take a view on whether we risk breaking the law for a low level complexity members' group, or we just say "stuff it" and carry on with life using Groups.io as it helps us run our groups so well.

I know where my vote lies!

In many cases I’ve resorted to admitting the member and resending the questionnaire afterwards. It seems to have a better chance of reaching them that way. Our group is NuM so there’s not much risk.

Thanks, Shai. I had created it in Member notices rather than as a New topic. Problem solved. Now I just have to reset them all to no email!

Elizabeth

On 13 Feb 2018, at 04:14, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Elizabeth,

I am somewhat confused by the special notices thing too. I wanted to
use it to make sure all the people that have been transferred to
groups from yahoo actually knew about it. So I changed all the no
email people to special notices, and wrote an email explaining the new
situation.

So far so good.

Except you could have spared yourself some effort (I think) by checking "Disable No Email" in the Message Policies section of your group's Settings.

But I have no idea how to send this. I’m obviously missing something.

The "New Topic" page ought to have a "Send this message as a special notice." checkbox.

Alternatively, maybe I’ve messed up the whole list, since there don’t
seem to have been any messages sent or received today!

That's a little harder to guess at. Have you (or anyone else) tried to post any messages? Via web or by email?

And where are you looking? Your email Inbox? The group's Messages section? The group's Pending page?

One way to learn if messages have been attempted is to look in the Activity page. Click the "Message Activity" tab at the top to limit the list to message-related entries. Do you see any activity? Do the items give you a clue about why nothing has posted?

Shal

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In our pending membership, we send a questionnaire to the pending subscriber asking about 5 questions: one of them being exactly what your question is; along with 'how did you hear about our group', do you own or have you previously owned a shih tzu', what is the age of your shih tzu'... then we say 'once we hear from you, we will approve your membership.

Cherrill? 
Be kinder than necessary; 
for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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Not yet. We send a questionnaire in the pending member notice and require an email response. It’s not 100% effective.

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This happens in my group all the time. Drives me nuts. I would report it to Mark at support so he knows it’s happening to others besides me. He always says that the system logs it as successfully delivered, but about a third to a quarter of the time the person never gets it and I have to email them outside the system.

I have my Pending Subscription notice set for active, and it has worked until recently. I sent a Resend Pending Membership Notice to the last two people that want to subscribe to my group, but neither had replied to the notice. I sent a personal email to the two individuals asking if they received the notice, and to date one replied telling me they did not receive the notice. I told the one that replied I was going to resend them another notice, and if they would please reply back to me if they received it. This person replied a little while later that they had not received the notice, but since I felt confident they could be approved I did. It appears the Welcome Notice and the email notification I get when a person joining the group works, but not the Pending Subscription Notice. What is happening here?

Don

You are probably talking about the new GDPR regulations which will be
coming into effect from the end of May:


Until that time the existing data protection regulations are in force
which are much more relaxed and as far as I am aware there are no
issues.

I am assuming after May Mark (and Yahoo) will have to abide by the GPDR
requirements when storing and transferring data. He has not commented
to date but no doubt is aware of the new regulations.

But you have till the end of May, which is plenty of time to do the
transfers before the regulations come into force.

Dave

On 13 Feb 2018 at 11:33, Jim Betz wrote:

Hi,

? I didn't give you enough information to answer me ...

? The group I'm talking about has over 10,000 members.? That means that
simply isn't possible to get 'authorization' from all of the E.U.
members.

? Will we try?? Of course we will.? But in the end we are going to have
to transfer the group without having heard from each and every member.?
So we can't -know- we have their permission.? Can they opt out
themselves?? Yes.? That's not the issue.? The issue is about
transferring an individual person's membership (who lives in the E.U.)
from yahoo groups to groups.io.

? The real question is "does transferring someone who is in the E.U.
actually violate the E.U. regs (laws?) related to privacy?". These
regs/laws, as I understand it, are related to 'spam' and other
undesirable aspects of using the web.

? I can not disclose who told me about this - it was told to me in
confidence. - Jim B.

Mark fixed the glitches in my group?

Joe

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one of the owners of our group is from the UK… and we have several members from the EU

Is there a way to allow/require prospective new members to answer questions such as "Why do you want to be part of this group" etc. to help identify them as desirable members of the group?

We want to discourage potential spammers and group collectors and keep it to people who would be willing to take an extra step to prove they are worthy of our group.

Thanks!

>??Not sure what you mean by "click on them",

Sorry. To be clear. I can approve either by clicking the check box next the message and then pressing one of the 'approve' buttons. Or I can click on the message itself, (read it,) and click the approve button there.

In both cases, the email does go out (I receive it in my inbox), but the message also remains in the 'pending' queue as viewed on the web site.

Many thanks!
Marina

Sharon,
Under my Account is Preferences, then Time Display. which can be set to Relative ( ie 5
minutes ago) or Absolute (ie Jan 13, 2016, 4:47pm )

OK,
Tony

On 13 Feb 2018 at 9:54, Sharon Villines wrote about :
Subject : Re: [GMF] [tvc] Messages having dif

On Feb 11, 2018, at 8:49 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

and the default for the message time is relative, “within 5 minutes.”

No. That is "5 minutes ago" - an example of relative time. It is not a control over time accuracy.

The feature is whether you want time displayed in a relative way ("an hour ago", "yesterday") when it is recent enough, or whether you always want to see the actual time displayed.

This control by the way is largely or entirely ignored, and Mark ought to remove it. He's settled on using abbreviated absolute time everywhere, with hover text showing the full date/time string.

Thank you, Shal for all the clarifications. I’m setting up two detail projects — several conjoined
Groups.io and a time banking system. The number of boxes to check off on dozens of screens
numbs my brain.

I would eliminate this. I scrolled through my beyond full inbox a few days ago and all the
messages were for today, yesterday, two hours ago. To quote the date in my return message, I
had to figure out what it was. I don’t think there is a setting in Apple Mail to turn this off but you
remind me to look.

Thanks again,
Sharon

Hi,

? I didn't give you enough information to answer me ...

? The group I'm talking about has over 10,000 members.? That means
that simply isn't possible to get 'authorization' from all of the E.U.
members.

? Will we try?? Of course we will.? But in the end we are going to have
to transfer the group without having heard from each and every
member.? So we can't -know- we have their permission.? Can they
opt out themselves?? Yes.? That's not the issue.? The issue is about
transferring an individual person's membership (who lives in the
E.U.) from yahoo groups to groups.io.

? The real question is "does transferring someone who is in the E.U.
actually violate the E.U. regs (laws?) related to privacy?". These
regs/laws, as I understand it, are related to 'spam' and other
undesirable aspects of using the web.

? I can not disclose who told me about this - it was told to me in
confidence.
- Jim B.

Shal

I have been getting the Claimed By since yesterday. I tried approving using email and by going to the group to approve messages. No luck either way. It let me reset the privilege of the member, but would not let me approve. I also tried sending a new topic to the group and that also did not get posted.?

Finally today after many tries I was able to approve one message, that did show up on the message board. But the ones from yesterday never did, and the message I posted myself never showed up.

Joe

It means that a moderator has edited the message, or has it open for editing now. It is a mechanism intended to help moderators avoid stepping on each other's toes.

(a) When I click on them and say approve, they don't leave the
queue ...

Not sure what you mean by "click on them", but you should be able to check the box on their row and approve them - or open them individually and approve them. In either case you'll get a pop-up warning that the message is claimed.

The hard question- this what I see through my web browser 'at work'.
'at home' I don't see those messages in the pending queue - Pending is
empty form the home browser.

I don't have an answer for that, unless one or the other browser was caching old information, or circumstances changed as you moved from work to home (the messages were approved, deleted, or otherwise removed from the pending queue).

Shal