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Re: Group transfer questions

 

Easy. The instructions are here -?/static/transfer

See the specific link at the bottom of the page.

Mark transferred my group and later my archives from YahooGroups.

I had made sure that members knew it was going to happen and why. I reminded people to change the login email address on their devices. I put a notice on the homepage of the old YahooGroups. (I guess I could delete that now!)

The members will be transferred with their email addresses and delivery preferences. If they wish to use your Groups.io homepage, they should create a password. First they get a temporary one by clicking on send me an email link.

You should look at editing your homepage on Groups.io, any member notices, etc. under Settings.?

There is a little member education needed (at least I thought so). For example, there are better subscription options than Digest. I set my default for new members so they get the first email in any thread. They can individually change that if they wish. And they can add an email alias. All nice features!

Good luck, but don't worry!?

Frances
Re: Group transfer questions

 

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On 6 May 2016 at 5:36, HR Tech via Groups.io wrote:

> Specifically:? - was the transition easy and what did it entail?

Super easy.? Take a look at the steps at /static/yahootransfer

Basically, you invite [email protected] to be a member of your YG, then make it a moderator.?

Your YG group messages (w/o attachments) will be imported also, unless you say no.

Then Mark does all the work for you!


> did members manage to switch over easily and accept new platform??

Easily.? For a while people were still sending messages to the old group and getting confused, but that ended when I closed the group to new messages.? Then they emailed me, and I educated them one by one.

Part of the confusion was I maintained the archives at YG, because transferring old messages wasn't part of the move back then.? Since the archives are now at groups.io, no problems.


> what were the trickiest parts??

No tricky parts AFAIC.? I can't email the group as [email protected], like I could with YG.? I /can/ post as owner via web.? On forwarded messages, I can't edit the From header back to the original author.?

Groups.io doesn't yet have a feature to directly create a list of links.? You can do it as a wiki or database, but it takes a little more work.


> how long did it take?

I don't remember, but it was faster than I thought.? Within a few days.?
It was *shocking* to see 40,000 messages appear one day!


> we have a 3000 member group and many subgroups.?

If you're on YG, then you don't actually have subgroups, do you?? They're all separate groups. right?? G.io will allow you to make them subgroups.

The two groups I moved had 400 and 800 members, but were 16+ years old, so had many messages.

I left one group of 2,000 members at YG because it's dying off and I don't want to operate it any more.


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Group transfer questions

 

Hi!?

is there anyone who has moved a group over from Y! Who might be able to share their experience with us??

Specifically:?

- was the transition easy and what did it entail?

- did members manage to switch over easily and accept new platform??

- what were the trickiest parts??

- how long did it take?


we have a 3000 member group and many subgroups.?

Thank you!?

Maria?
Re: Moderators Email

 

Jim,

Thanks for the comprehensive rundown on what worked and what didn't!

I'm not allowed to join using the listname+owner address, at least the
address doesn't get subscribed via email. No error message is
returned or logged in the activity log.
I wonder if that would work better through the web site Join... (or Request...) button. But no matter since you've chosen a way that works for you.

My guess is not (it wouldn't work either). And for the same reason as the +subscribe and the Email Alias both didn't work: the groups.io domain as a whole is probably barred from being a group member so that one can't directly set up an email loop.

Shal
Re: Moderators Email

 

On 4 May 2016 at 15:32, Shal Farley wrote:

From the New Topic page you can select the +owner address in the From
field (if you're a group moderator). You can't do that from the Reply
links, as far as I know.
Confirmed. But I would rather do as much as I can via email because it's
so much faster.


I suspect you would have to first go to the web site and join your group
under the +owner email address, or allow posting by non-members.
I'm not allowed to join using the listname+owner address, at least the
address doesn't get subscribed via email. No error message is returned
or logged in the activity log.

I have allowed non-members to post to allow my spoofed address access
to the list.


Or, you might try editing your Profile to add the group's +owner address
as an Email Alias for your account.
[email protected] is not an allowed address.

"That email address is not valid.".


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Re: Moderators Email

 

Jim,

I wrote:
I don't know if you can do that by email.
Or, you might try editing your Profile to add the group's +owner address as an Email Alias for your account.

Shal
Re: Moderators Email

 

Jim,

I would like to be able to send to my groups with a spoofed listowner
address. Groups.io doesn't recognize incoming mail from
[email protected]
From the New Topic page you can select the +owner address in the From field (if you're a group moderator). You can't do that from the Reply links, as far as I know.

I don't know if you can do that by email.

I suspect you would have to first go to the web site and join your group under the +owner email address, or allow posting by non-members. You might not be allowed to join with the +owner address, or you might tie something in knots if you do (best set that subscription to NoEmail if you succeed).

Shal
Re: very late delivery of yahoogroup postings

 

I have stopped using YahooGroups since we got our groups moved to Groups.io. No point. I don't want to monitor both places.

On the home page of my old YahooGroups, I put a message saying that we had moved to Groups.io and the new homepage address. Works fine. I also had to remind people to get rid of the old Yahoo address for our group on their computer in "previous addresses" or wherever. Works!

Frances
Re: Moderators Email

 

On 3 May 2016 at 0:33, Shal Farley wrote:

Or, use your email service to "spoof" the group's +owner address. I've
done that with some of my Y!groups. Y!Mail, Gmail, and most other services
have a way to do that (as an account set up) so long as you can verify the
spoofed address. The spoof isn't as secure as using the actual +owner
address from the web site, but it is often a convenient compromise.
I would like to be able to send to my groups with a spoofed listowner
address. Groups.io doesn't recognize incoming mail from
[email protected]


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very late delivery of yahoogroup postings

[email protected]
 

I posted a message this morning but it has not posted...three hours ago, I resent it..still nothing. Any of you having the same problem today?
Re: Moderators Email

 

Louise,

I'm not sure I understand how this spoofing works, Shal, but doesn't
that mean anyone else could spoof the address too and appear to be
the list owner of your group?
Yes and no.

No in that most email services require you to verify an email address before allowing you to use it in the From field of your messages. So with such services only moderators of the group could verify. Which reminds me, be sure to let the other mods know what your up to, otherwise they may think the verification email indicates some form of attack.

Yes in that some email services don't require verification.

Someone who was posting there had set up an email that sounded like a
genuine Group owner address though they were clearly not a moderator.
That is a disadvantage of using a separate email account for communications from the group management: anyone can do it. On the other hand, since the +owner address can be spoofed it isn't necessarily that much better.

Groups.io could stomp on spoofing of the +owner address by setting up DMARC controls for the groups.io domain. But that might well end up being a cure worse than the disease (DMARC is a fledgling anti-spoofing technology that has some problems).

Shal
Re: top posters in groups

 

On 3 May 2016 at 13:27, marvin hunkin wrote:

Hi. Where?s the top posters heading gone in groups, and how to get it
back. Marvin. ?
I'd like to see it on my groups. Hopefully it can be made an option.

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Re: Moderators Email

Mark Bielecki
 

Thanks to all for the insights into my adding yet another email address to my long list of them, the alias email option from Yahoo! from Louise that I had totally forgotten about, to Shal for pointing me in the right direction for responding using the built-in owners email address (I knew there was one somewhere, just couldn't find it -- it should be in the info Wiki), and to J-Catlady for the caveat that if I respond to a response from an email sent from the owners address that I would be revealing my personal address. ?While I have backed away from Groups.io after the Code of Conduct issues / concerns came up a number of months ago I maintained this small group on Groups.io that I had already moved over from Yahoo! Groups and I've always been pleased with how responsive Mark Fletcher and all of the active group owners have been in addressing questions and problems.?
Re: top posters in groups

 

That area was removed by Mark, at the request of many group owners. I don't remember if he plans to make it an option or not.

Duane
Re: Moderators Email-ps

 

I haven't received my own last email yet but realise I omitted to say I was talking about a yahoo group . Sorry if that was confusing!
Louise

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On 3 May 2016, at 08:51, Louise <knitlou@...> wrote:

I'm not sure I understand how this spoofing works, Shal, but doesn't that mean anyone else could spoof the address too and appear to be the list owner of your group?
Re: Moderators Email

 

I'm not sure I understand how this spoofing works, Shal, but doesn't that mean anyone else could spoof the address too and appear to be the list owner of your group? Probably unlikely to happen but when one of my groups was unlisted someone set up a public unmoderated group with the name of my group in the description. As a result some people who had heard of my group and searched for it by name ended up joining this other group by mistake believing they were accessing the real thing.

This group was abandoned quickly by the well-meaning but apparently internet illiterate founder and taken over by spammers. Someone who was posting there had set up an email that sounded like a genuine Group owner address though they were clearly not a moderator. The only way I eventually managed to get yahoo to close the group was by pointing out the obscene content posted there but not until after the reputation of my group had been affected by those who didn't realise what had been going on.

Louise

Sent from my iPad

On 3 May 2016, at 08:33, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

J,

But that only works for the first message. If the OP responds, then if
Mark wants to respond the email will come from his own address. I
really hate the way this works.
So don't do that.

That is, if the OP responds and further communication is required, always send it from the (pending) members list - don't simply reply in your email.

Or, use your email service to "spoof" the group's +owner address. I've done that with some of my Y!groups. Y!Mail, Gmail, and most other services have a way to do that (as an account set up) so long as you can verify the spoofed address. The spoof isn't as secure as using the actual +owner address from the web site, but it is often a convenient compromise.

Shal
Re: Moderators Email

 

J,

But that only works for the first message. If the OP responds, then if
Mark wants to respond the email will come from his own address. I
really hate the way this works.
So don't do that.

That is, if the OP responds and further communication is required, always send it from the (pending) members list - don't simply reply in your email.

Or, use your email service to "spoof" the group's +owner address. I've done that with some of my Y!groups. Y!Mail, Gmail, and most other services have a way to do that (as an account set up) so long as you can verify the spoofed address. The spoof isn't as secure as using the actual +owner address from the web site, but it is often a convenient compromise.

Shal
Re: Moderators Email

J_Olivia Catlady
 

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But that only works for the first message. If the OP responds, then if Mark wants to respond the email will come from his own address. I really hate the way this works. There's no anonymity. It's why our group created the 'moderators' gmail account.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 2, 2016, at 2:25 PM, Terry S wrote:

Mark B.:? If you send the note from your [groupname]+[email protected] address, He won't see your personal address - at least, that's the way I think it works.? The advantage to this is that if the address is added to a spam list,? letters to that address won't go to the group, but would only go to you - and you can write to him again and tell him again to stop.


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Moderators Email

Terry S
 

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Mark B.:? If you send the note from your [groupname][email protected] address, He won't see your personal address - at least, that's the way I think it works.? The advantage to this is that if the address is added to a spam list,? letters to that address won't go to the group, but would only go to you - and you can write to him again and tell him again to stop.?

Terry S
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On 5/2/2016 8:01 AM, Mark Bielecki via Groups.io wrote:

I just received a membership request from an unfamiliar email address on a restricted group that I set up on Groups.io. ?I am hesitant to send an email out from my personal email address out of concern that this is from a spammer?and my personal email address will be added to a spam list. ?The group is small and specialized, so it seems odd that I would receive an email from an address that I don't recognize, and there is no reason for the general public to want to join this group, yet I don't want to decline the invitation out of hand out of concern that a legitimate user may have opened up an email account with an address I'm unfamiliar with. ?Any suggestions on how to send an inquiry as to the identity of the potential subscriber without opening up yet another email address on Gmail or Yahoo! or some other free email provider so as to protect my personal email address from harvesting?

Re: Moderators Email

J_Olivia Catlady
 

Shal,

I misread that. However, if he "sends message," I think the "from" address will be his own address. I think this was recently changed so that it no longer reads as coming from the group owner.

J

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 10:05 AM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Shal, Did Mark B say the address is showing as NC? I thought it was just a matter of it being someone he's unfamiliar with, in which case sending a confirmation email would not address his issue. ???
J

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 2, 2016, at 9:51 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
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> Mark B,
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>> I just received a membership request from an unfamiliar email address on
>> a restricted group that I set up on Groups.io.? I am hesitant to send an
>> email out from my personal email address out of concern that this is
>> from a spammer and my personal email address will be added to a spam
>> list.
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> Groups.io has a feature for just this purpose.
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> Go to the Members page of your group, and select Pending Approval. That should show a list of those who've applied but not yet been approved. Put a check mark on the row of that unfamiliar email address, and use the Actions menu to select "Send Message".
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> That will bring up a message composition window. Change the From field to your group's +owner address instead of your personal address. Write your message, and send it. Use one of the Bcc checkboxes if you wish to receive a copy of your message, one won't be saved on site (that's a wishlist item).
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> Shal
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