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Re: Monitor Participation

 

"In our group we have "3-4 creaters" and about "15 joiners in" and today we need everyone of those. With a membership of 180 plus - I feel if we had a few more participators - it would place less weight on the few?currently doing the work of keeping it going."

My solution to lack of participation is to work on encouraging it. For me, keeping a group lively and interesting has always required hard work. Unless the group has a specific pragmatic purpose, like announcing and reporting on homeowners association meetings, I've never been able to just sit back and let a group grow.

Growing a group requires composing posts that entice more lurkers to join in, and encouraging them when they do, carefully nurturing any sign of desire to create among "joiners in." Praising and responding with welcome to first time posters helps. Lots of "that's fascinating, tell us more." When I spot other members who encourage participation, I privately let them know I appreciate it.

The worst thing I've done is complain to a group about lack of participation. That's the "beatings will continue until morale improves" approach.

Best, Marv
Re: How to rename one message's Subject?

 

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 01:30 PM, Rubens wrote:
So, I want to change that e start a
NEW topic with 3 of that 20 messages.
How do I do that? (I think that
what I want is to "split a topic"
in two different topics).
Yes, you can split topics but if there are three interspersed in the twenty, it is tricky.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/2763

Official help:
/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/managing-group-topics-and-messages/splitting-topics

There is an excellent tip in the Help:
Tip: If the topics are still active, consider putting them on moderation so you (or other moderators) can edit the subject lines of incoming messages before they are posted to the archive, to ensure that the messages end up in the correct topic. You can also consider locking the topics if you do not want members posting more messages to them.

Frances
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How to rename one message's Subject?

 

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How to change (rename) a message's Subject?

Here's why:

My group has a topic with 20 messages.
The discussion took different paths.

So, I want to change that e start a
NEW topic with 3 of that 20 messages.
How do I do that? (I think that
what I want is to "split a topic"
in two different topics).


[ ] Rubens




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Re: Question concerning 'Who sent it'

 

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 06:09 AM, Peter wrote:
I would have thought that the selected option would have appeared on the message.
It does.? That email address is included as the sender for email that is sent out to members, as well as posted on the site, so if they reply, it goes to the owner address.? If you have an account that you only use as mod/owner, that information will be displayed.? An account you have as a member will display the name/info associated with it.? Many of us use one account for both.? The difference being that on any message we post as mod/owner, we include that in our signature.? As an example, when I post general information, I sign as Duane.? If I were posting something as a mod, I'd use 2 lines: Duane, GMF Moderator.

Duane
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Re: Monitor Participation

 

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 07:15 AM, Barry wrote:
With a membership of 180 plus - I feel if we had a few more participators - it would place less weight on the few?currently doing the work of keeping it going.
There are a lot of things to consider about participation.? Being retired, I spend a lot of time (too much? ;>) monitoring the groups that I'm a member of.? Others are still working, but all have a 'real' life.? Some don't have time to reply immediately and someone else posts the same information before they can.? I've found that if the constant contributors will hold back a few hours, except in urgent situations, others are willing to assist when they can.

It also depends on the nature of the group and the personalities involved.? On a social group, everyone is encouraged to jump in.? On a technical group, we ask that only those that know the answer to a question or alternative solutions respond.? There are folks that only post once a month or less because they don't feel comfortable doing so for some reason.

As others have said, a group is just a virtual community, so it's not unusual to find the same level of participation that you would in an actual meeting.? There are active and passive members in both.

Duane
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Re: Monitor Participation

 

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 12:15 PM, Barry wrote:
Where I am at odds on this is when you get people who set their subscription to "No email".
I think you need to explain your reasoning for this; my own first reaction to it is somewhat hostile.

And why that hostility? Because you associate "No email" with "No activity". I have "no email" in this group, along with the others I belong to bar that where I am a co - owner, but it does not mean I am inactive. It means that I prefer to use the web UI rather than email for my transactions with groups. IMHO your automatic assumption that "no email" equates to "I will not participate" is a too large a leap unless you have proof positive that there is a definite connection between the two.?

FWIW IMHO your "activity rate" of about 10% is not all that bad. I suspect that it is actually better than this groups's (i.e. GMF) with its approximately 3500 members. It is certainly better than the rate for the group I co-own and its just over 1800 members, many of whom are on "individual emails" but still don't join in!

Chris
Re: Monitor Participation

 

Micheal - you make some good points which I can relate to. On participation - I perhaps need to back track from the idea of widespread threathening removal etc and have a bit more tolerance. On joining however - you never know who you are dealing with so moderating first message is your only safe guard in my view of people whose aim is to disrupt. Where I am at odds on this is when you get people who set their subscription to "No email". Who wants a group full of those people. In our group we have "3-4 creaters" and about "15 joiners in" and today we need everyone of those. With a membership of 180 plus - I feel if we had a few more participators - it would place less weight on the few?currently doing the work of keeping it going.

We are a legacy basic group (so 180 members OK) and we manage easily space wise below the threshold of fees.

Thanks for your input ......

Barry??
Re: Continuing a group after owner died

 

Cheers unfortunately she didn't set any moderators or co owner, I did suggest it to her when she went into hospital but she never did
Re: Monitor Participation

 

Barry,

Consider any 'public meeting' of '180 plus members, I think your observations of 'participation' in not untypical.?
(Even if all were present in the same room, you can't be sure they are all 'paying attention'...)

I want to believe that all Group members care and are interested in my Groups as I am, but realistically I know I'm not as interested in everything anybody else is.


How frequently do you want to receive (and presumably read) 180 plus posts? Daily? Weekly? Monthly?
GMF has 3,497 Members - imagine if everyone posted once a day (week or month)!
It's Human Nature, that some will never speak up, a core group will be 'regulars', and a few post the most - some more than once a day (although it could be good if that were less frequent).

You'll need to inform your members of your 'participation' expectation/requirements,
and do it regularly, such as an automatic monthly Special Notice reminder, as Frances suggested.

How would you enforce this? Threaten removal?
Are you concerned about keeping your Group under 100 members to avoid Groups.io fees?
If so, perhaps fees based on Group activity, rather than number of members, would be more appropriate (and still raise the revenue Groups.io needs).

Michael

On Mar 17, 2022, at 6:13 AM, Barry via groups.io <supermarine1931@...> wrote:

Peteski - at least you are reading/replying and composing replies. No - you are not one of those deadbeats. These are people who join up/never get past the moderate first message flag/ set their subscription to "No email" and at best look into the forum 3 weeks on tuesday. These people never contribute - all they do is increase your member count. On the otherhand 3-4 people create all the input and about 12-15 join in at best out of 180 plus members.

Some people treat it like watching the TV and never join in - sometimes you wonder whether it is worth it.
Such is life - but it is always said "that you never know what you are missing until its gone" !! This is what the people I am referring to are asking for ........
Re: Question concerning 'Who sent it'

 

This is what I was questioning.? I would have thought that the selected option would have appeared on the message.

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Re: Monitor Participation

 

Peteski - at least you are reading/replying and composing replies. No - you are not one of those deadbeats. These are people who join up/never get past the moderate first message flag/ set their subscription to "No email" and at best look into the forum 3 weeks on tuesday. These people never contribute - all they do is increase your member count. On the otherhand 3-4 people create all the input and about 12-15 join in at best out of 180 plus members.

Some people treat it like watching the TV and never join in - sometimes you wonder whether it is worth it.
Such is life - but it is always said "that you never know what you are missing until its gone" !! This is what the people I am referring to are asking for ........

barry?
Re: Continuing a group after owner died

 

Jackie . . .

On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 03:29:45 -0700, "Jackie Preval via groups.io"
<jlpreval@...> wrote:

Hi I'm a member of a card making group and unfortunately the owner as died.
First, I would follow the directions given in this thread given earlier by Andy:

/g/Group_Help/topic/89668736

Otherwise, if the moderators weren't given these permissions, then the answer is
no. There are some work-arounds if you can't get control of the group . . .

If you find the only way to get things fixed is to start a new group, if one of
the moderators has access to the members' list, they can start a new group and
invite everyone in that list. If you pay for one month of premium membership,
you can direct add everyone so it starts off with all your members.

If no one has access to the members' list, then the other way to do it is to
make an announcement after a new group is formed, give directions to the new
group page, and have each person sign up. If you do this, I would also suggest
letting the old group members to contact you directly if they have problems
signing up, but there should be a link they can click on and send an email to
join by email instead of having to sign up on the website of the new group. That
may make it easy for them. But signing up by email won't (I think) give them
access to the databases.

ALSO, when the new group is formed, have at least two owners who get along with
each other for the new group. That way, this situation will never happen unless
both die or lose interest at the same time (unlikely).

If you find that Mark gives someone control over the old group, do make sure you
have at least two owners. If Mark doesn't give anyone ownership privileges but
gives someone super-moderator privileges, have that person appoint a few others
who can make sure the group will survive a death or that person losing interest
in the group.

I hope you get this sorted out, and PLEASE keep us informed about what happens.

Donald


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Re: Question concerning 'Who sent it'

 

I'm not 100% clear on what you're asking but in GIO convention the word "Moderator" is used to refer to both moderators and owners. For example, in the activity log, the Moderator tab shows the activities of both owners and moderators.

Pete
Re: Question concerning 'Who sent it'

 

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 07:30 AM, Peter wrote:
I choose to send it as 'Owner...', when the message is displayed in the thread, it advises that it was sent from me as a Moderator
I'm not quite following what you mean.? A screen shot might be useful.

The only difference I know of when using the Owner address is that it will be used as the Reply To: in the emails sent out instead of your personal address.

Duane
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Re: How do I post a link on my wiki, to another page within the same wiki? any help pages? #wikispaces

 

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Thanks Brian,

That is another way to do it.

That should be Much simpler than my workaround.? It is not quite working as described ; will give it a go later.

OK,
Tony


On 2022/03/16 12:55, Brian Parkins wrote:

You asked how to post a link to a Wiki page from another Wiki page. Putting aside the above discussion about TOCs and a Wiki index for a moment, this is very easy. Assume:
- (A) is the page being edited, requiring the link
- (B) is the page you wish to link to

1). When viewing (B) there is a Link symbol (chain) at the top right of the page; right-click and Copy Link.
2). When editing (A) there is the same Link symbol. With the the cursor in the desired position, left-click the Link symbol.
3). You with be prompted to supply the URL, Text, etc. for the Link. Simply press CTRL+V to paste what you copied in 1). above.
4). Press Enter.

Hope this helps. (Apologies if I've misunderstood your question!)

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Question concerning 'Who sent it'

 

When replying to. for example, a message within a topic and I choose to send it as 'Owner...', when the message is displayed in the thread, it advises that it was sent from me as a Moderator.? Is this correct?
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Re: Continuing a group after owner died

 

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 10:47 AM, Jackie Preval wrote:
I'm a member of a card making group and unfortunately the owner as died.
This situation has also been discussed recently on Group_Help so it's worth reading that /g/Group_Help/topic/89668736

Regards
Andy.
Re: How do I post a link on my wiki, to another page within the same wiki? any help pages? #wikispaces

 

You asked how to post a link to a Wiki page from another Wiki page. Putting aside the above discussion about TOCs and a Wiki index for a moment, this is very easy. Assume:
- (A) is the page being edited, requiring the link
- (B) is the page you wish to link to

1). When viewing (B) there is a Link symbol (chain) at the top right of the page; right-click and Copy Link.
2). When editing (A) there is the same Link symbol. With the the cursor in the desired position, left-click the Link symbol.
3). You with be prompted to supply the URL, Text, etc. for the Link. Simply press CTRL+V to paste what you copied in 1). above.
4). Press Enter.

Hope this helps. (Apologies if I've misunderstood your question!)
Continuing a group after owner died

 

Hi I'm a member of a card making group and unfortunately the owner as died. She had the group set up so only she could set up databases etc, is there anyway we can get around this? We all would hate the group to close.
Re: Unable to Delete Member from Group

 

On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 09:31 PM, Craig McCulloch wrote:

Question: Can only group OWNERS delete members from a group? If a MOD is also able to remove a member please provide instructions on how to do this.

You can only remove members if the owner has given you that permission. You need access to the Members List.
See the list of permissions:
/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/managing-moderators-and-additional-owners/making-a-member-an-owner-or-moderator

Normally members leave the group themselves. The Members' Help has this info you can share with your member:

Leaving a group

If you decide you no longer want to be a member of a group, you can use any of these methods to leave (unsubscribe from) that group:

Click the Unsubscribe link in the footer of an email message from that group.

Send an email message to the group¡¯s unsubscribe address (see Standard group email addresses).

Go to the group¡¯s website, display your Edit Subscription page, go to the bottom of that page, and click the Leave Group button.

Go to the Your Groups home page, select the checkbox next to the group you want to leave, click the Actions button at the bottom of the page, and select Unsubscribe.


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