Re: Whatever happened to threaded discussions? #thread

#37725

Louie,

On Yahoo the references were made clear in the topic index that
showed exactly the flow of how the replies were made.If you mean Yahoo Groups, I don't remember that being the case. In the neo interface it was a straight list. In the classic interface the indented message list was shown under an individual message:

But that doesn't matter right now...

To your original question, Groups.io has never had a view that reveals the actual reply linkage. But it does come up again from time to time on beta, as Duane mentioned. Here's another suggested implementation from me:

Shal

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Re: Inserting image - different outcomes? #images

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Shal

They were all local image files, inserted on the UI via the image icon.?

So presumably there shouldn’t be any coding difference. ?I get immediate emails on that group so I didn’t get an opportunity to see what came thru a digest ?(but as I said on another digest it’s 2 images (no indication there’s any others sitting to be viewed.))

The images came thru perfectly on the email turnaround to me.?

Re: Files Folder accidently removed. Any UNDO?

#37723

Thanks for the speedy reply

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On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 04:33 PM, Duane wrote:

On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 05:49 PM, Clifford Anderson wrote:

moved folder Business Meeting Minutes

That's your main clue.? That means the folder is still there, just not where it was.? Once you find it, you can put it back where you want it.?

Two of our owners have spent some time trying to find that folder prior to me giving up and asking for help.

But a new puzzle is now visible.

Using the Search function with Business+Meeting+Minutes as the parameter the titles all seem to be somewhere in the Files folder. But attempting to actually open or edit any one of them gets nothing.

Using the "Copy link address" on what should be the "Business Meeting Minutes" top level folder that using Cut and Paste looks something like:

Business Meeting Minutes 9files
Documents related to official business meetings, including construction business meetings.

But the link gives me something like:

https://xxxx.groups.io/g/main/files/Business%20Meeting%20Minutes/2021/03.%20Mar%202021/Business%20Meeting%20Minutes

with our group name redacted.

Attempting to follow any one of those links get a message either opens the Files folder or else opens a dialog window with the message "The file you're trying to open doesn't exist"

Did the folder get moved into a folder with an invalid address?

Cliff

Re: Inserting image - different outcomes? #images

#37722

Ken I had thought the blue attachment icon was part of the attachment link but I think you're right, it's not. It displays whenever there is an image in the message, attached or not? Sounds possible.

But when I said a member was asking me, "What happened?" he was mostly wondering why his message on the website showed the two images he embedded, while his message in the digest showed only one.

Any ideas?

tommy meehan

Re: Files Folder accidently removed. Any UNDO?

#37721

On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 05:49 PM, Clifford Anderson wrote:

moved folder Business Meeting Minutes

That's your main clue.? That means the folder is still there, just not where it was.? Once you find it, you can put it back where you want it.? There is no Undo (though there is a Cancel), so it would be a good idea for owner/mods to read about it in the Owners Manual.

Duane
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Re: Exploring a feature request before posting to Beta

#37720

I posted this in Beta.

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Re: Inserting image - different outcomes? #images

#37719

ken,

Any clue as to why only two out of five?
Why do ANY show up as thumbnails anyway?There may be some clue in the View Source of the message, something perhaps about how the photos were encoded into the message. But only a group mod would have access to that.

It is also possible that a clue was preserved and sent on to those members who received the message by individual email, but that's less certain.

I don't see any clues in the HTML of the message's page on the group, so another possibility is that it is just a quirk in the system, as Duane suggests.

Using images are like as consistent as modems back in the Windows 3.1
days.  Just plug and play.  Right.  Arrrrgh.Email and HTML have always been strange bedfellows, especially where images are concerned. HTML has many schemes to reference them (cid, http, data, ...), and MIME adds its own various ways to attach them to the email message body.

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Files Folder accidently removed. Any UNDO?

#37718

One of our owners was responding to a "File /Business Meeting Minutes/2021/04....pdf uploaded" message from [our group].groups.io Notification [email protected]

He evidently clicked on something that deleted all of our minutes.

All of our owners received a notification:

"his name hisemail@... moved folder Business Meeting Minutes"

but with no clue as to where that folder got moved to.

When queried over the phone, he is unable to explain anything other than trying to read the pdf file.

Is there any possible way to retrieve that folder, short of uploading all those files for all those years?

Thanks in advance.

Cliff in Baja SoCal

Re: Inserting image - different outcomes? #images

#37717

>>€On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 04:14 PM, Tommy Meehan?

They display in the message on the website, but only one displays in the digest. In the digest, at the bottom of the message is the Attachments icon but it is not active. The member asks me what happened and I had to tell him, honestly, I really wasn't sure.<<>

The answer is in your description of the species - that the pics were embedded.

The icon is there to display items that were attached. ?I don’t believe it’s a link, just a header - and underneath is where links to the attached files are placed.?
It probably shouldn’t show up unless there’s indeed attachments on the referenced message in the digest.?

Loosely related (somewhat):

Re: Inserting image - different outcomes? #images

#37716

Duane?

You are likely 100% why there’s two TN’s displayed. I’ll check further on other groups/messages to confirm that.?

I looked also back at a digest for another group. It comes thru w/ 2 thumbs but of course one doesn’t know there’s additional pix in the referenced ?message.

So there’s an opportunity to miss information if the recipient thinks there’s nothing of interest by going to the website to view the unadulterated original message.?

ken

Re: Inserting image - different outcomes? #images

#37715

The question was, asked by Ken, why did two of his images appear as thumbnails? Duane has answered that the first two are shown as attachments at the bottom of the message and is probably a result of the digest limit of 2 images. In the Beta group message from last June that was linked, Mark Fletcher wrote they were limiting the number of attachments included with each message in a digest to 2. I wonder, the terms images and attachments seem to be getting used interchangeably, but they're really not the same thing are they? Using the tools on the website you have 1) embedded images and 2) attached images. Mark wrote they were further reducing the size of images in digests, and I take that to mean the size of embedded images. Mark also wrote attachments were being limited to 2 per message in the digest. But then, how many embedded images are allowed per digest message? Only two? I'm sure I have seen more than two but maybe not reliably.

I appreciate the help given here, but it must be remembered, group owners have problems too. Example: my group's digest from last Wednesday included a message with two embedded images. They display in the message on the website, but only one displays in the digest. In the digest, at the bottom of the message is the Attachments icon but it is not active. The member asks me what happened and I had to tell him, honestly, I really wasn't sure.

tommy meehan

Re: Whatever happened to threaded discussions? #thread

#37714

On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 12:11 PM, Louie S wrote:

With out the ability to track the message flow I think it is a big oversight that reply to message does automatically quite the message content you are directing your response. This is the context that I think is missing.

Automatic quotes are only available to those that reply via email, if their client is set up to do that.? On the site, you can highlight before reply (as you and I did) or use the little bubble at the top left of the reply window to insert the entire message as a quote.

There's a current topic on the beta group that you may want to join where the "Yahoo threading" is being discussed, .? Mark, the site owner, hasn't said anything, but at least we know he's aware of the suggestion.

Duane
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Re: EarthLink and issues with receiving on post

#37713

On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 11:11 AM, Joseph Hudson wrote:

But I have a member who has an EarthLink address and who is not receiving copies of his own post. Does anybody know what is going on today?

I just checked all of the groups where I can access the member list.? Unfortunately, there are only 3 people set to individual messages.? On the bright side, all of them show that messages sent within the last hour have been accepted, so maybe it was a temporary glitch.

Duane
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Re: Whatever happened to threaded discussions? #thread

#37712

On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 09:23 AM, Duane wrote:

If you want people to know what you're specifically referring to, you can quote part of the message you're replying to, as I've done here.

Ok if finally figured this part out. But it is not obvious. I'm very tech savy but it took me over a year to realize it.

With out the ability to track the message flow I think it is a big oversight that reply to message does automatically quite the message content you are directing your response. This is the context that I think is missing.

-louie

Re: Whatever happened to threaded discussions? #thread

#37711

On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 09:23 AM, Duane wrote:

Any reply references the message that was replied to, but is inserted into the topic chronologically.?

It may reference the message but that reference is not visible so seems of no use as far as trying to follow the flow of a discussion in a topic. On Yahoo the references were made clear in the topic index that showed exactly the flow of how the replies were made.

-louie

Re: EarthLink and issues with receiving on post

#37710

Hi Jan, thank you. I will let the member know. I kind of figured that was the case.

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On Apr 4, 2021, at 11:26 AM, Jan van Heiningen <heiningen@...> wrote:

Hearing nothing new, I had hoped things were back to normal...it is a regularly recurring, very irritating thing happening. While I can understand people prefer to have all their email coming into one account, the only secure way to get out of this Erathlink-mess is not to use Earthlink for your groups.io account but something like g-mail .

"But g-mail is spying on me". Believe me, everything you do and every website you visit is allready being monitored and recorded by everyone who can get his or her hands on it. If you want to have a semblance of privacy left, do not use the internet but old fashioned pen-and paper. The only one who is at least promising not to spy on you, is duckduckgo.  None of the others are making that promise, that I know, so clearly they are. Just calling it differently, like "enhancing our service to you".

With very best regards

Jan

Op zo 4 apr. 2021 om 18:11 schreef Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>:
So as most of you know, I am on multiple groups. I do not have an EarthLink address to check and figure out what is going on here. But I have a member who has an EarthLink address and who is not receiving copies of his own post. Does anybody know what is going on today?

Re: Inserting image - different outcomes? #images

#37709

On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 10:12 AM, Tommy Meehan wrote:

I am still not understanding this. Ken posted a link to a message on his website.

All 5 of his images are shown inline.? In addition, the first two are shown as attachments at the bottom.? This is probably a result of the limit of 2 images that will be included in a Full Digest, to make it easier for the system to generate a digest when needed.

Duane
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Re: EarthLink and issues with receiving on post

#37708

Hearing nothing new, I had hoped things were?back to normal...it is a regularly?recurring, very irritating thing happening. While I can understand people prefer to have all their email coming into one account, the only secure?way to get out of this Erathlink-mess is not to use Earthlink for your account but something?like g-mail .

"But g-mail is spying on me". Believe?me, everything you do and every website you visit?is allready being monitored?and recorded by everyone who can get his or her hands on it. If you want to have a semblance of privacy left, do not use?the internet but old fashioned pen-and paper. The only one who is at least promising not to spy on you, is duckduckgo.? None of the others are making that promise, that I know, so clearly they?are. Just calling it differently, like "enhancing our service to you".? ? ?? ?

With very best regards

Jan??

Op zo 4 apr. 2021 om 18:11 schreef Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>:

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So as most of you know, I am on multiple groups. I do not have an EarthLink address to check and figure out what is going on here. But I have a member who has an EarthLink address and who is not receiving copies of his own post. Does anybody know what is going on today?

Re: Whatever happened to threaded discussions? #thread

#37707

On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 11:10 AM, Louie S wrote:

From the Topic view with all topics displayed I clicked the "Reply" button at the bottom my original message.

If you see a Reply button, you won't see all topics, only the messages in that topic.? Any reply references the message that was replied to, but is inserted into the topic chronologically.? If you want people to know what you're specifically referring to, you can quote part of the message you're replying to, as I've done here.

Duane
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EarthLink and issues with receiving on post

#37706

So as most of you know, I am on multiple groups. I do not have an EarthLink address to check and figure out what is going on here. But I have a member who has an EarthLink address and who is not receiving copies of his own post. Does anybody know what is going on today?