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Re: European Date Format & 24hr Clock #calendar

 

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Hi Duane,

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Yes ¨C I¡¯ve liked posts there and added a new post there too.

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Simon

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Duane
Sent: 29 January 2018 14:11
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] European Date Format & 24hr Clock #calendar

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It looks like this is definitely on Mark's mind: ? As Shal mentioned, additional comments on Mark's earlier post, , might help give it a boost.

Duane

Re: Invite Question

 

Hi

Shal, I think you might be right. If group allows moderated posts by non-members - I do that on my group. - the individual messages are being approved by a moderator.?

Ask the member is she is she is receiving email from the group. Likely she isn¡¯t because she isn¡¯t a member.?

Frances
Re: European Date Format & 24hr Clock #calendar

 
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It looks like this is definitely on Mark's mind: ? As Shal mentioned, additional comments on Mark's earlier post, , might help give it a boost.

Duane
Re: European Date Format & 24hr Clock #calendar

 

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Can I support too. The web site dates is as impenetrable to non-Americans as Degrees Celsius were to the US Citizens I met on a recent tour of the Canadian Rockies¡­

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Dave Wade

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Simon Hedges via Groups.Io
Sent: 29 January 2018 13:25
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] European Date Format & 24hr Clock #calendar

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I'd like to support this.?

I run yahoogroups with large proportions of members in the USA, Canada, UK, rest of Europe, Australia and some other countries.? In order for dates to be readily and instantly understandable, the members need to be able to know, without thinking,unambiguously, that a message posted on 1/8/18 was posted on 1st August 2018, or 8th January 2018 and the only way of doing this instantly is to enable them to see dates in their local date format.

The same goes for time format: I far prefer to use the 24 hour clock (I'm from the UK where 12 hour and 24 hour clocks are in common usage), but many of my US members find that quite difficult.

This issue is slowing down a transfer of some of my groups from yahoogroups to io groups: enforcing a single format, whether the US format or ISO format (which has the benefit of annoying almost everyone equally), or the DD/MM/YYYY format used by most of the world, smacks of cultural imperialism of one form or another!??

Simon, on 29/01/2018 at 13:23

Re: European Date Format & 24hr Clock #calendar

 

I'd like to support this.?

I run yahoogroups with large proportions of members in the USA, Canada, UK, rest of Europe, Australia and some other countries.? In order for dates to be readily and instantly understandable, the members need to be able to know, without thinking,unambiguously, that a message posted on 1/8/18 was posted on 1st August 2018, or 8th January 2018 and the only way of doing this instantly is to enable them to see dates in their local date format.

The same goes for time format: I far prefer to use the 24 hour clock (I'm from the UK where 12 hour and 24 hour clocks are in common usage), but many of my US members find that quite difficult.

This issue is slowing down a transfer of some of my groups from yahoogroups to io groups: enforcing a single format, whether the US format or ISO format (which has the benefit of annoying almost everyone equally), or the DD/MM/YYYY format used by most of the world, smacks of cultural imperialism of one form or another!??

Simon, on 29/01/2018 at 13:23
Re: Invite Question

 

Marcia,

What might a person have done - or not done - if the invite list
still says "Sent" instead of "Accepted" and she has posted a couple
emails to the group. She thinks she accepted.
Could she have more than one email address? One still "Sent" and another that posted to the group?

Or does the group allow posting by non-members?

Otherwise I'm at a loss for how she posted to the group before accepting the invitation, or how she would think she has but the site thinks otherwise.

The other half of the coin is whether she's receiving postings from the group. That even more so should not happen until after she accepts the invite.

Is there a way I can change Sent to Accepted?
I don't think you can, it should be strictly up to her. If you could that would be tantamount to a Direct Add. Which is something only a Premium or Enterprise group should have.

Shal
Invite Question

Marcia Hudspeth
 


What might a person have done - or not done - if the invite list still says ?"Sent" instead of ?"Accepted" and she has posted a couple emails to the group. ?She thinks she accepted. ?Is there a way I can change Sent to Accepted?

Marcia
Re: Question about Member Notices - Note to Member

 

Ah yeah I might suggest that as sometimes I might need to send an all call to the list but might not have the time to write it out, or it could be sent on a schedule like the guide lines thing. I dunno, I'll bring this up on beta probably tomorrow.

On Jan 28, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Sarah,

Would I maybe use this to be sent to a list if I maybe need to warn
them of something let's say to say any more actions like the ones by
our members and this list will be in moderation?
It isn't really designed for sending to the entire membership. The idea is that you'd checkmark one or a few members (in the Members list) then in the Actions menu at the bottom of the page use Send Message.

But maybe there's a suggestion for beta@ - when used by a moderator the New Topic composition page could have the drop-list for Member Notice selection in addition to the special notice checkbox.

That would be useful for notices that don't make sense to schedule but are needed on occasion.

Shal
Re: Question about Member Notices - Note to Member

 

Sarah,

Would I maybe use this to be sent to a list if I maybe need to warn
them of something let's say to say any more actions like the ones by
our members and this list will be in moderation?
It isn't really designed for sending to the entire membership. The idea is that you'd checkmark one or a few members (in the Members list) then in the Actions menu at the bottom of the page use Send Message.

But maybe there's a suggestion for beta@ - when used by a moderator the New Topic composition page could have the drop-list for Member Notice selection in addition to the special notice checkbox.

That would be useful for notices that don't make sense to schedule but are needed on occasion.

Shal
Re: When not to transfer a Yahoo Group list.

 

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On 28 Jan 2018 at 14:15, SP4149 wrote:

> If you are a moderator (or even a subscriber) for a list owner with
> these characteristics, trying to promote a move will be a waste of
> your time and likely incur ire and distrust.? It's time to drop the
> subject.

Ken,

Thanks for that analysis!

When we hang around with progressive listowners all the time, it's easy to start to think that everyone thinks like us.?

But like you said, some owners use the discussion group as a "slow-paced chat group"? :-) , or even as a cloud-based distribution list.? They don't really care about features or reliability.

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Jim
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Re: When not to transfer a Yahoo Group list.

J_Catlady
 

Interesting analysis. As you may have read, I was badly burned last week for trying to "help" a Y group move to who had no interest in doing that. ;p

On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 2:15 PM, SP4149 <ken@...> wrote:
This last week I posted my experiences of transferring a list from YG to on several YG lists where there
have been discussions about current YG problems.? While other members appreciated the heads-up, some YG lists
owners were pretty upset.? After a week of banter and bravado on all sides:? A few things became clear.

First, some list owners are not interested in their database and routinely purge messages and files.? In essence
their?groups are just slow paced chat groups and do not store archival information; they lose nothing if YG implodes.

Second, some list owners (and members) have not upgraded their PCs and internet connections in 20+ years,
they work solely with Digest posts and do not access the YG web page to post or search.? Yes Virginia, dial-up
modems do exist...? They cannot see the current YG slow-down.

Third, YG list ownership is extremely personal and some list owners are reactive to change, sharing, or assistance.
Talking of a move is stealing THEIR group.

When any of these three conditions of list owners exist the chances of a transfer from YG is minimal;
when all three exist, the list?will never move, is willing to die in place.

? If you are a moderator (or even a subscriber) for a list owner with these characteristics, trying to promote a move
will be a waste of your time and likely incur ire and distrust.? It's time to drop the subject.

ken clark
singed, but still happy with moving to


When not to transfer a Yahoo Group list.

 

This last week I posted my experiences of transferring a list from YG to groups.io on several YG lists where there
have been discussions about current YG problems.? While other members appreciated the heads-up, some YG lists
owners were pretty upset.? After a week of banter and bravado on all sides:? A few things became clear.

First, some list owners are not interested in their database and routinely purge messages and files.? In essence
their?groups are just slow paced chat groups and do not store archival information; they lose nothing if YG implodes.

Second, some list owners (and members) have not upgraded their PCs and internet connections in 20+ years,
they work solely with Digest posts and do not access the YG web page to post or search.? Yes Virginia, dial-up
modems do exist...? They cannot see the current YG slow-down.

Third, YG list ownership is extremely personal and some list owners are reactive to change, sharing, or assistance.
Talking of a move is stealing THEIR group.

When any of these three conditions of list owners exist the chances of a transfer from YG is minimal;
when all three exist, the list?will never move, is willing to die in place.

? If you are a moderator (or even a subscriber) for a list owner with these characteristics, trying to promote a move
will be a waste of your time and likely incur ire and distrust.? It's time to drop the subject.

ken clark
singed, but still happy with moving to groups.io
Re: new member

 

Win,

At the moment we both show as Owner. How do I change her status to
Member?
Click onto the Members list (drop down the Admin menu in the left column). Above the list is a button to select "Members", "Moderators", "Pending Approval", "Bouncing" or "Banned". You can use either Members or Moderators, but the latter will be a shorter list (presumably!) making it easy to find her.

Click on her row, anywhere except on the checkbox. That will open up her membership page. Find the Role drop-list, and change he setting to "Member". Click the blue "Save" button at the bottom of the page.

Shal
Re: Users having trouble deleting messages

 

Thanks, Shal! I was starting to think I'd lost my mind. Not to say I haven't...

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Janet,

> I'm in the process of moving a group over from Yahoo. I've got three > people complaining that they can't delete messages after they've read > them like they could on Yahoo. They all believe the delete message > thing was a Yahoo feature (a button) that they don't have here and > they're accumulating all kinds of messages that they can't delete.

Goodness.
Re: Chats question

 

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I love that idea.?If ?this is not possible, I would leave a message in the beta group. Good idea there.

I don't use the chat, I have it disabled for my group, however ?I like the idea and would also love to know if this is possible, or doable if I ?start the chat back up on the list at some point.

Take care all

On Jan 27, 2018, at 5:53 PM, Nancy in Renton <sday13@...> wrote:

We had a couple members check out the chat room.

When we were on !Yahoo we used an off site chat room a couple times a year. Our member that owned that site has passed away so we were excited to see our own chat room. One of the things they really miss was the ability to see that a response was being typed.?

Is is it possible to have this feature in io chats?

Nancy

Re: new member

 

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Thanks Shal for your very clear instructions, both tasks completed.
One more question... I have taken over this group from the previous owner (at her suggestion) but she wants to remain a member. At the moment we both show as Owner. How do I change her status to Member?
Thanks again
Win
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Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2018 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [GMF] new member
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Win,

> I¡¯ve just joined here, thanks for the link Shal.

You're welcome. You're posterid #566,976 at Groups.io.

An unimportant number, I think, but it does indicate how much Groups.io
has grown recently. Not that long ago new subscribers had numbers in the
100,000 range.

> 1... I want to ¡°vet¡± pending members before I approve their
> membership. From looking in the archives, it seems that I can¡¯t have a
> message sent automatically and I would have to do it by emailing them
> personally myself... is this correct?

Nope.

Go to your Group's Settings page, Member Notices tab, and if there isn't
already a notice of type "Pending Subscription" click on the blue "New
Notice" button (at the bottom of the list) and create one with "Pending
Subscription as its Notice Type.

Be sure to check the "Active Message" box so that this message will be
sent automatically when someone applies to join your group. When you
finish composing the message body, click the blue "Add Notice" button at
the bottom to save it.

> Is there any way to take off the ¡°conversation¡± mode and have each
> message just displayed in the list, not lumped together like this?

"Topics" is the default view, but the leftmost blue button above the
list of messages is a view selector. Other choices are "Messages" (the
view you're looking for, I think), "Expanded", and "Polls".

Shal
Re: new member

 

Win,

I¡¯ve just joined here, thanks for the link Shal.
You're welcome. You're posterid #566,976 at Groups.io.

An unimportant number, I think, but it does indicate how much Groups.io has grown recently. Not that long ago new subscribers had numbers in the 100,000 range.

1... I want to ¡°vet¡± pending members before I approve their
membership. From looking in the archives, it seems that I can¡¯t have a
message sent automatically and I would have to do it by emailing them
personally myself... is this correct?
Nope.

Go to your Group's Settings page, Member Notices tab, and if there isn't already a notice of type "Pending Subscription" click on the blue "New Notice" button (at the bottom of the list) and create one with "Pending Subscription as its Notice Type.

Be sure to check the "Active Message" box so that this message will be sent automatically when someone applies to join your group. When you finish composing the message body, click the blue "Add Notice" button at the bottom to save it.

Is there any way to take off the ¡°conversation¡± mode and have each
message just displayed in the list, not lumped together like this?
"Topics" is the default view, but the leftmost blue button above the list of messages is a view selector. Other choices are "Messages" (the view you're looking for, I think), "Expanded", and "Polls".

Shal
new member

 

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Hi,
I¡¯ve just joined here, thanks for the link Shal.
I have just taken over as owner of a group set up by a friend last year as a trial and am carefully finding my way around it.
I have a couple of questions please...
1... I want to ¡°vet¡± pending members before I approve their membership. From looking in the archives, it seems that I can¡¯t have a message sent automatically and I would have to do it by emailing them personally myself... is this correct?
2... Most of my prospective members will opt for receiving the group messages in to their email client, but a couple may want to choose to read on the group page on occasions. Is there any way to take off the ¡°conversation¡± mode and have each message just displayed in the list, not lumped together like this?
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That is very helpful here, but hardly any messages in my group will have a thread.
Thanks, I¡¯m looking forward to your reply.
Win
Chats question

Nancy in Renton
 

We had a couple members check out the chat room.

When we were on !Yahoo we used an off site chat room a couple times a year. Our member that owned that site has passed away so we were excited to see our own chat room. One of the things they really miss was the ability to see that a response was being typed.?

Is is it possible to have this feature in io chats?

Nancy
Groups.io site updates #changelog

 

Hi all,

This change log for the last week:


Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.


* NEW: You can hide the ID column when viewing a database table.
The ID is not a row number, it is more like a message number, permanently assigned to the row when added. Consequently it can be used as a reference when citing the row's content.

Alas, it isn't a permalink. Nor even a link to open the row. I'll ask Mark about that...


* CHANGE: Added a pricing FAQ explaining some features of the
calendar/events/RSVPs.
At the bottom of the Pricing page, naturally.
/static/pricing


Comments about these others are also welcome:

INTERNAL: senddigest service now using distributed nsqd system.
INTERNAL: DMARC lookups no longer caching in Redis.
INTERNAL: sendmessage service now using distributed nsqd system.
BUGFIX: When editing a message that had been transferred from
Yahoo, an error was thrown.
INTERNAL: Many improvements to the admin dashboards.
SYSADMIN: Moved several internal services to different machines and
duplicated them, for redundancy.
D'OH: Added missing pagination to Member Notices page.
BUGFIX: When removing/banning/unbanning someone without a display
name or user name, and if you have a user name, your user name was
improperly displayed as the banned person's name.

Please call out any you find significant.

Shal
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