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Re: From beta - Group Sponsorships
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 09:11 AM, Leeni wrote:
But being a Basic group owner, I feel what I have to say really has no weight as far as suggestions go.As far as I'm aware, the only time Basic vs Premium makes any difference is if you send an email to support. Duane -- The official Groups.io user documentation is in the Groups.io Help Center. GMF's Unofficial Help Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki |
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Re: From beta - Group Sponsorships
Leeni
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On 14/01/2021 02:06, Leeni wrote:
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> All of my suggestions and ideas made on the beta group are ignored.
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I'm sure they are not ignored -- Mark simply does not reply to all of
them, and sometimes other people have nothing to add.??Or, it may be
that the feature has been suggested before, so no-one has anything new
to add.
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I recently won the jackpot twice, but several of my other suggestions
generated no additional traffic.
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Re: Just Wondering
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 08:50 AM, Janice wrote:
I'm just wondering why my grandfathered group @ $10 per month or $110 if billed yearly would suddenly change to $20 per month or $220 per year because I switched my billing period.Here's Mark's explanation - Duane -- The official Groups.io user documentation is in the Groups.io Help Center. GMF's Unofficial Help Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki |
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Re: From beta - Group Sponsorships
Leeni
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? On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 08:16 PM, Leeni wrote:All of my suggestions and ideas made on the beta group are ignored. I wouldn't take it personal. A lot of suggestions come to that group. Sometimes they are popular and sometimes not. This one might turn out to be widely supported. It seems worthy of consideration beyond this group.?? -- Sandi Dickenson ? |
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Re: How to stop address harvesting
Fonald, I was meaning to suggest that an email address OR MAYBE IP... which is banned, be able to be readily noticed by owners/mods when applying elsewhere... or for a year, perhaps.
You cause me to recall that yahoo had both Removal and Ban. Removal allowed rejoining, if owners/mods approved it... whete approval is a requirement. Yes, bans are quite rarely needed. BillSF9c |
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Re: From beta - Group Sponsorships
On 14/01/2021 02:06, Leeni wrote:
All of my suggestions and ideas made on the beta group are ignored.I'm sure they are not ignored -- Mark simply does not reply to all of them, and sometimes other people have nothing to add. Or, it may be that the feature has been suggested before, so no-one has anything new to add. I recently won the jackpot twice, but several of my other suggestions generated no additional traffic. Samuel |
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Just Wondering
I own a Premium group grandfathered in at a $10/month payment which I have been paying out of my pocket.? Yesterday, after Mark gave us the ability to have Sponsors, I announced it to my group and the Sponsoring started coming in.? Soon, there was enough in my reserves to make a yearly payment of $110.? Since my due date is the 17th of the month, I went ahead and switched from monthly billing ($10) to yearly billing ($110).? The $110 was deducted immediately from my reserves and applied to my yearly billing.? Here's my question/concern.? I notice that in the Switch Billing to Monthly Billing now indicates I would be billed $20 per month rather than the original $10 per month should I make the switch.? I don't envision having to switch back to monthly because my members have been very generous and we are well on our way to the next yearly payment.? I'm just wondering why my grandfathered group @ $10 per month or $110 if billed yearly would suddenly change to $20 per month or $220 per year because I switched my billing period.
Janice B New Statler Siblings Long Arm Quilters? |
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Re: From beta - Group Sponsorships
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 01:08 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
I have posted an issue on Beta as the sponsorship option is available on subgroups but any payments made are not totalled in the main group or shown on any subgroup page that I can see (except the activity log).Mark has very quickly confirmed that sponsorship for subgroups was a bug. The option has been removed and a refund issued. Andy |
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Re: From beta - Group Sponsorships
Sandi D.
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 08:16 PM, Leeni wrote:
All of my suggestions and ideas made on the beta group are ignored.I wouldn't take it personal. A lot of suggestions come to that group. Sometimes they are popular and sometimes not. This one might turn out to be widely supported. It seems worthy of consideration beyond this group.? ? -- Sandi Dickenson |
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Re: From beta - Group Sponsorships
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 08:17 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
now people member or not can sponsor a Groups.io group. If the group owner allows it there appears a Sponsor This Group button on the group's home page:I have posted an issue on Beta as the sponsorship option is available on subgroups but any payments made are not totalled in the main group or shown on any subgroup page that I can see (except the activity log). Andy |
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Re: Single Owner Group - Owner Deceased
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýExcellent suggestions!
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Re: From beta: Subscribers leaving before pricing change
#pricing
ken,
This also includes new lists that had to upgrade to Premium to haveDowngrading to Basic before or after the Pricing Change would still leave you with the legacy-enabled Basic features according to your group's creation date. Which includes unlimited membership. So it is only the legacy Premium features you'd loose (Direct Add perhaps most notably). I asked for a reply on how long it would be until lists larger thanFor now the answer is never. I figured with 2,000 members I would have three years of freebieYou mean Premium, at $220/yr + $880/yr for members = $1100/yr, if for some reason you re-upgraded to Premium after the change. Choosing Enterprise would be your option if you need/want the extra features. I have seen nothing stating a firm commitment to pre-existing basicI don't feel Mark owes any of us such a commitment. But on the other hand he's held his word on such things for the 6+ years of Groups.io's existence. Shal -- Help: /helpcenter More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Single Owner Group - Owner Deceased
Ronaldo,
We will need to take this to beta , in due time when Mark isn't too1) I think it has had a round or two there, and 2) Mark will never be not too busy. ;-) As it would be quite difficult for Mark&co to figure out who is dead,I think we need to be able to propose something that works without intervention by Groups.io support. But you got me thinking... What about: 1) Add an "Owner Succession" panel to each moderator's page, just below the Moderator Permissions panel. This panel would be accessible only by owners, not by any moderators. 2) In this panel place a checkbox for "Promote this moderator to owner in the event of absence of any owner. Place a second control to define how long an absence triggers succession. For this purpose I'd define absence as being no activity by any owner's account (either web activity or inbound email). 3) In the event that any owner or any moderator tagged for succession is individually absent (as defined above) send a notification (Web/Email) to all Owners indicating who is absent and that the chain of succession may need review. 4) In the event that a moderator is promoted by this mechanism, notify the moderator and (attempt to notify) the absent owners. Pros: o Covers both single owner or multiple owner initial conditions. o Allows the owner(s) to establish a chain of succession (first Alice, then Bob, then Charlie, then ...) simply by setting progressively longer times for each moderator in the line of succession. o The first moderator promoted would, on their next activity in the group, reset the "absence" timer. Being now an owner that person would have access to the succession controls. If that person is inactive after their promotion then the timer continues, potentially promoting the next moderator in line. Cons: o Slightly complicated for new or inexperienced owners to grasp. o Controls are distributed through the Moderators list rather than being in a single page. o Doesn't provide for alternate outcomes (group locked or deleted). o ? The second "con" can be overcome by putting a fixed list of succession slots on a separate Settings page (again, visible only to owners) with each slot containing those same two controls plus a selector to choose which moderator goes in this slot. Shal -- Help: /helpcenter More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: From beta: Subscribers leaving before pricing change
#pricing
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýBut you were? also not telling the whole truth.? The price changes are also for lists upgrading after Jan18th (now Feb 2nd). This also includes new lists that had to upgrade to Premium to have their list moved, they may not be able to downgrade to a Basic (Free) list after the Pricing change. The impact on new groups is minimal, the number of lists that do not meet the new guidelines for fee per member pricing is far, far greater. For now some feel they are grandfathered into free service for Enterprise size lists that will cost $4400 a year if UPGRADED after Feb 2nd. Those of us with Basic (Free) list will not have to upgrade on Feb 2nd.? It's a fact of life that grandfathers expire and so do grandfathered provisions. I asked for a reply on how long it would be until lists larger than 100 members would have to upgrade.? I figured with 2,000 members I would have three years of freebie service and then I could face a forced upgrade to Enterprise at $4400 a year.? It would be cheaper to upgrade now.? I have seen nothing stating a firm commitment to pre-existing basic lists remaining free forever, or even for the next three years.? Mark evidently feels that a fee per member pricing is the future for groups.io, he delayed it a year and now it will be happening, first for new groups and list upgrades, and then, later, for the rest of the pre-existing lists.? I've had lifetime memberships expire, and grandfather? agreements pass away; with a Basic (free) list there are no contractual obligations. The real issue is preparing for a list upgrade if your list does not fall into the new list definitions in the new pricing plan.? Once you have become a list owner on groups.io, you aren't worried about new lists, only when and at what cost you may have to upgrade in the future.? Mark gave us some pretty severe pricing changes based on member fees and indicated that was his planned future pricing schedule.? He never said that large free lists would be free forever.? AS an owner of?several large?Basic lists I have a decision, upgrade now (before Feb) or upgrade later, even if grandfathered for free for three more years, it is still cheaper to upgrade now. ken clark
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Re: Single Owner Group - Owner Deceased
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýModerator opinions have, in my opinion, unduly discouraged earlier discussions on this subject. ?Shouldn¡¯t they encourage legitimate discussions rather than discourage them? Complete trust is not always possible for a founder or owner to place in a potential successor. ?For that reason circumstances should never force a founder or owner to transfer powers to additional ¡°owners" in advance of need to insure a group does not die when the single owner ceases to do what must be done from time to time. ? Human nature is such that there is NO management situation in which two ¡°Alphas¡± are an advantage. ?If there is a ¡°good¡± ¡°equal" owner and a ¡°bad¡± ¡°equal¡± owner, I absolutely assure one and all that the bad one will prevail in such scenario. ?That¡¯s not in the best interest(s of any group. There should be an option available to a single founder or group owner to designate one and alternate successors to advance to ownership powers ONLY when the present ¡°management¡± is no longer acting as necessary to preserve group functions and continuity, in the same sense as a ¡°springing¡± Power of Attorney¡± whose power does not exist until needed. Since the majority of these diverse elements do not originate with me, I defer to earlier posters to submit the request for consideration to <beta>. Best! WRB ¡ª?
FOBLO (Fear of Being Locked Out), is a real thing and could be easily assuaged. Simply restrict owner deletion/demotion solely to the owner account: an owner can only demote him/her self. While an owner can promote another to owner status it ?would be a one-way street - no owner could demote another owner. While that would not prevent a malicious owner from causing havoc it would preclude an original owner from losing control of the group.
On Jan 13, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Michael Pavan <michaelpavan@...> wrote:
An Owner Succession feature could include Delete Group, Lock Group, and Remove All Members as options...
<snip> All of this means that having no 'Owner Succession' feature does not solve the problem, only 'kicks it down the road'.
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Re: How to stop address harvesting
Hi Donald,
>Once ideas are garnered here, we could take Mark an idea in Beta to have anyone Banned have a red B by their application so we can make a betterI believe all someone with bad intentions has to do is to join with another e-mail address. Ken S "You do what you can for as long as you can, and when you finally can't, you do the next best thing. You back up but you don't give up." ¨DChuck Yeager -----Original Message-----SNIP |
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Re: From beta: Subscribers leaving before pricing change
#pricing
Leeni
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From: Donald Hellen
Date: 1/13/2021 8:03:38 PM
Subject: Re: [GMF] From beta: Subscribers leaving before pricing change #pricing
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I would just pre-ban her proactively.
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Re: Single Owner Group - Owner Deceased
Better yet, appoint another owner so full group management privileges
are there for them. That is, if you can trust the person. On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 17:16:51 -0800, "ro-esp" <ro-esp@...> wrote: if you want your group to die with you, don't appoint a moderator. If you want your group to continue, do appoint a moderator. Making it explicit would be better ---------------------------------------------------- Some ham radio groups you may be interested in: /g/ICOM /g/Ham-Antennas /g/HamRadioHelp /g/Baofeng /g/CHIRP |
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Re: How to stop address harvesting
Bill,
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 11:42:58 -0800, "billsf9c via groups.io" <OOWONBS@...> wrote: Once ideas are garnered here, we could take Mark an idea in Beta to have anyone Banned have a red B by their application so we can make a better decicion about their application. If they are banned, would their application even appear to the moderators? I would think the system wouldn't let the application through. I think they would have to contact the group owner address and make peace first with the mods, get un-banned, then apply again. I might be wrong on that because it's never happened in any of my groups. I've only banned 2 or 3 people, and pre-banned a few who were spamming other similar groups, before they joined mine. So it's not something I have experience with. One person I banned complained a few times to the group owner address. We ignored him and he eventually went away. He might have rejoined under a different address and account but if he did, he's playing by the rules now and not belittling others. He refused to acknowledge that he was doing that and asked for clarification on what that was. Donald ---------------------------------------------------- Some ham radio groups you may be interested in: /g/ICOM /g/Ham-Antennas /g/HamRadioHelp /g/Baofeng /g/CHIRP |