I understand. Just making sure I'm on the same page. Thanks!

Pete

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 02:49 PM, Peter Cook wrote:

Bruce, he says he's having this problem on a laptop. Is your comment referring to a computer or a phone?

Peter -- Which menu system is displayed depends only on the viewport width in pixels.

Click the Restore Down icon on your desktop browser, and you can change between the two menu systems by simply resizing the window.

Regards,
Bruce

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On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 01:56 PM, Jim Sterken wrote:

?I don't want the message archive to be public unless I'm misunderstanding how things work since I'm new to Groups.io.? I only want people who are group members to be able to see the messages sent by my group members.? I don't want random people who just logged into Groups.io to be able to see my group and view all its messages.

It would also be indexed by Google etc. if it were public.

?If I set the max attachment size to zero as Duane has done with some of his groups, then every single group member would be forced to create a groups.io login in order to see their attachments. I think I'd get a lot of resistance if I did that.

They can just click on Email me a link to log in. It is a rolling renewal for 30 days each time they visit the group page. So if they visit within 30 days, they don't have to do anything.
/helpcenter/membersmanual/1/understanding-groups-io-accounts/logging-in-to-your-account

Question: I know that users can put more restrictive attachment size on their subscription. What if you had larger and then suggested to those with limited band width to change their own preference? And can the individual set their own attachment size as larger than the group setting?
/helpcenter/membersmanual/1/controlling-your-email-subscription-preferences/advanced-preferences?single=true

Frances



Help available from Groups.io help and GMF wiki.

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On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 02:37 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

It used to flip between the mobile (hamburger) and desktop menus at a screen width of around 799. Now it's 1239.

Bruce, he says he's having this problem on a laptop. Is your comment referring to a computer or a phone?

Done, see previous message. I wonder if it is somehow related to the fact that I accessed groups,io from my
cell phone yesterday, and the view did not change back to computer.

Barry

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 09:01 AM, Barry Porter KB1PA wrote:

how do I get rid of the icons on the bottom and get back the menus ob the left side?

Barry -- There does seem to have been a recent change. It used to flip between the mobile (hamburger) and desktop menus at a screen width of around 799. Now it's 1239.

Zoom out and it should help.

Bruce

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On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 02:12 PM, Barry Porter KB1PA wrote:

I am using a 15 inch laptop :):)

Can you provide a screenshot of the entire page?

I am using a 15 inch laptop :):)

Barry

Peter Cook wrote:

Barry, a screenshot might be helpful in clarifying your question. Are you saying that the Home, Guidelines, Subscription, Messages, etc. links that normally appear on the left side of the GIO group web page aren't visible?

Barry is right.
There has been a major unexpected (and unwanted) change in the general group display (sorry, don't know if this is the right term for it), but not in all groups.
In one of my group the menu now shows at the bottom of the page with 4 large icons, one of which is a dropdown menu. The topics view takes up all the space on the screen.
Other groups, such as GMF, are not affected by the change, apparently, and the menu is shown on the left and everything is as usual.
The strange thing is that sometimes my group goes back to normal view.
I attach a screenshot.

Marina

Hello Bruce,
? ?Thanks for your comments.

? ?I don't want the message archive to be public unless I'm misunderstanding how things work since I'm new to Groups.io.? I only want people who are group members to be able to see the messages sent by my group members.? I don't want random people who just logged into Groups.io to be able to see my group and view all its messages.

? ?My problem is that the vast majority of my group members do not directly access the Groups.io website.? They just access it indirectly via their email, sending and replying to [email protected].? If they click on an attachment and are confronted with a request to login to groups.io, they are confused and frustrated.? They aren't ready to learn about Groups.io.? Their mental model is a listserv.? Over time I will educate people about the extra benefits of Groups.io, but I don't want to force them to create a login now in order to see message attachments.

? ? If I set the max attachment size to zero as Duane has done with some of his groups, then every single group member would be forced to create a groups.io login in order to see their attachments. I think I'd get a lot of resistance if I did that.

? ? I don't think my group has many people with tight data limits.? I've gotten no complaints about that.? The complaints I have received are from people who have messages returned because the total attachment size is greater than 25MB.? I've had to explain to them that it was Gmail or AOL or Yahoo that imposed that limit, not Groups.io.

? ? What I would prefer is for Groups.io to work like Gmail -- attachments greater than my 5MB limit would be replaced by publically accessible links not requiring a Groups.io login.? The links could expire in 1 month so storage could be recycled.

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On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 09:16 AM, Peter Cook wrote:

My position had been that I wouldn't say anything about this unless I knew specifically how and when my members would be impacted by pricing changes.

That's now my policy.? About a year ago I mentioned that large groups may need to pay (last pricing change).? There was some discussion and some folks offered donations to support the group.? A couple of them actually sent me money via PayPal.? After I got the details, I announced it on the groups and that was the end of it.? This time I won't say anything until/unless someone else brings it up.? I have no plans to upgrade any of those Basic groups, so there's be no reason to bring it up.

If/when individual site memberships are offered, I'll announce it, but try to be really clear on what's being offered.

Duane
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Le| What she left out was it was
| for "newly created groups after
| Jan 18th" and my groups and
| every other group in existence
| right now would be grandfathered
| in.


That's right...

Groups that already exist do not
have to worry about the pricing
changes, as long as they stay on
the same plan.


[ ] Rubens





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On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 04:18 PM, Peter Cook wrote:

I discovered my error and thought I emailed the group again but it didn't go through

Yes it did. It was message #36341 and I got it by email. It's missing from the archive now though so someone deleted it.

Regards
Andy

[Mod Note: Activity log shows that message #36341 was subsequently deleted by its sender.]

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 11:03 AM, Jim Sterken wrote:

When I initially set the max attachment size default to 5MB, I didn't realize that the link Groups.io generated would require a login to work.? I thought it would work like the line Gmail generates for large attachments that do not require logins.

Jim -- A login should not be required to access an attachment if your message archive is public.

If it's private, it stands to reason that you would have to log in first, because the attachment -- like every other part of the message archive -- is thus restricted to group members.?

I'll make a suggestion about this in the Beta Group if there is not already an existing topic.? I expect it is a fairly common use case as most people who set up new groups in Groups.io are probably new to the platform.

Be careful with this. As Duane stated, many people are on metered internet or have data limits, especially on their phones. On that basis I think the system should default to a 5 MB restriction for new groups, and have to be manually changed to unlimited.

More generally, I'm personally still unclear on what you consider to be broken and what suggestion you might offer to fix it.?

Regards,
Bruce

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On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 10:03 AM, Jim Sterken wrote:

I expect it is a fairly common use case as most people who set up new groups in Groups.io are probably new to the platform.

I wonder.? The default for that setting is unlimited, so I'd think that if anything folks would leave it there unless they had a reason to change it.? I actually have it set to 0 (no attachments, only links) on a couple of my groups because I know there are some folks still using dial-up and don't want to burden them.

I have limited bandwidth that falls somewhere in between (one of the joys of living in the boonies) so have my email set to ignore attachments over 250KB.? Many (most?) people have unlimited, high speed bandwidth and don't consider the situation others may be in.? I'm a bit irked, but not totally surprised, when someone attempts to send me a 12MB picture that could easily be reduced to 100KB or less because they usually don't have to think about it.

Duane
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On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 11:04 AM, Duane wrote:

If you look closely, you'll see that Owner is a lighter shade of gray

Yes, sorry about that. I discovered my error and thought I emailed the group again but it didn't go through. Either I haven't had enough coffee yet or I've had too much. ;)

Pete

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 09:57 AM, Peter Cook wrote:

This is the drop-down that shows up under my test account (which is set to Moderator) when clicking on a member.

If you look closely, you'll see that Owner is a lighter shade of gray and can't be selected.? Nor can you demote an owner.

Duane
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On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 03:57 PM, Peter Cook wrote:

This is the drop-down that shows up under my test account (which is set to Moderator) when clicking on a member.

Even though the Owner entry is shown in the list, you can't select it.

Andy

Yes, I agree.? Unfortunately, I was new to Groups.io when I transitioned my group there from Yahoo Groups, so I didn't know the proper setting.? When I initially set the max attachment size default to 5MB, I didn't realize that the link Groups.io generated would require a login to work.? I thought it would work like the line Gmail generates for large attachments that do not require logins.

I'll make a suggestion about this in the Beta Group if there is not already an existing topic.? I expect it is a fairly common use case as most people who set up new groups in Groups.io are probably new to the platform.