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Beth,

I can't say this is a bug - I can certainly say that it is not behavior that I want to happen.?

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- If by that you mean the mod being able to (indirectly) add a member, the solution is to limit their member-editing privileges as was stated.

- If by that you mean a subgroup member getting added to the main group as well when one would like them to only be in the subgroup, that's not a bug or even unwanted behaviour, it is because the subgroup is just that, a subgroup of the main group, and you cannot have members belonging to a subgroup and not to the main group***. (although you can the other way around)

***if you want that, you need a separate group, not a subgroup.

Cheers,
Christos

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 05:40 PM, Mark Murphy wrote:

Mark Fletcher has stated that for current free groups the average number of subscribers is 85 and he believes the median is significantly less than that. This implies that the majority of current free groups are well?under 85.

So I think there will continue to be significant market demand for the free groups in your first category of potential groups.

Obviously I am not in a position to argue with Mark's figures, but I'm certainly going to query them, here if nowhere else.

Looking at the publicly listed groups there seem to be a lot that simply don't seem to take off, and languish there with but a handful of members and minimal or no activity. I assume they were included in his overll list on which he based his calculations. He may also have included test groups that more or less by definition have a timy membership.

I am in seven radio - related groups (there are many, many more listed) that have membership totals ranging from just over 300 to nearly 2000. A quick check of other listed groups revealed memberships in the 5000 - 10000 range. A search on "amateur radio" reveals nearly 1500 groups, but I accept that that is quite small in relation to a visible group total of just over 34,000.?

So Samuel's assertion that Groups.io is reducing its scope or its intended user base to a very narrow band of potential customers could very well be true, even if that is not the intent.

The Law of Unintended Consequences strikes again...

Chris

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:34 AM, Peter Cook wrote:

what's the syntax for that search?

You can start by using the selections on the left of the "Find or Create a Group" page.? Then modify to get what you want (hopefully).? No parameters at all shows the newest groups first.

The p= parameter may be:
SubsCount for popular
ThreadsCount for activity
Created for newest
Name for name

The second parameter, after the first comma, isn't used as far as I can tell.

The third parameter, after the second comma, can be a keyword within double quotes, but is optional.

The fourth parameter is the number of items you wish to display per page with 20 being the default.

The fifth parameter is 1 for reverse or 2 for default display order.

The sixth is where the display results will start, but at one position higher (60 would display result 61 as the first on the page).

I haven't found a use for parameter 7 (yet?).

Some of this may apply to searches in other areas, such as the member list.? Have fun playing around!

Duane
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On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 01:25 PM, Rob Erikson wrote:

Is it possible to limit members from read only and prevent them from posting?

Rob,

If you mean you don't want the members to be able to post messages but only be able to read posted messages, set the group to Announcement-Only, where only admins can post messages.

/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/customizing-group-settings/spam-control-and-moderation-settings

Cheers,
Christos

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 01:25 PM, Rob Erikson wrote:

Is it possible to limit members from read only and prevent them from posting?

Please clarify - Are you saying that you wish to prevent "no mail" members from posting?
You can, of course, prevent members from using this subscription preference. I do this on all my groups.

You can make your group announcement only, which only allows owners and moderators to post.

Can you tell us what you want to achieve and why? We may be able to figure out how to use current settings or a workaround for you.

Frances
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Hi All,

Is it possible to limit members from read only and prevent them from posting?

Thank You,
Rob

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:09 PM, Samuel Murray wrote:

This makes Groups.io suited for free groups that aim to have no more than around 75 members and for paid groups of any size. In my opinion, most potential groups are not in either of those categories.

that for current free groups the average number of subscribers is 85 and he believes the median is significantly less than that. This implies that the majority of current free groups are well?under 85.

So I think there will continue to be significant market demand for the free groups in your first category of potential groups.

Thank you,

Mark

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 05:10 PM, Beth Weld wrote:

Am I missing a setting?

Disclosure: I don't know; the Groups I co - own doesn't have subgroups; neither (as a Basic Group) can we Direct Add members.

However, in a basic group a moderator can be denied the privilege of inviting members, so it is possible that in a paid-for group a moderator can be prevented from Direct Adding someone as well.

Have a look at what Moderator Privileges are available to you as a paid-for group (subgroup privileges are separately per subgroup) and take away any that you don't want specific moderators to have. You should certainly be able to stop them inviting new members. ?

Chris

One thing you can do is to go into this person's settings and limit their moderator permissions.?

I have premium group with numerous subgroups. We don't use the invite function typically because Direct Add is so much better.

However, I have a subgroup where I have a new moderator who sent an invitation to a add a person to that subgroup. She didn't know that the person was not a member of the main group, and this subgroup moderator is NOT a moderator in the main group.

The person replied to the invitation, and was added to both the subgroup and main group.? Imagine my surprise weeks later when I found out.

I can't say this is a bug - I can certainly say that it is not behavior that I want to happen.? I'm not sure how to lock down the main group so that subgroups can't add members. Am I missing a setting?
Thanks
Beth

On 06/01/2021 15:42, Mark Murphy wrote:

On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 05:16 PM, Samuel Murray wrote:

And like I said in a previous mail: one should realise that the new
pricing structure means that Groups.io is no longer meant for most
groups, and that Google Groups may be a better solution for many groups.

I'm not sure what you mean that Groups.io is "no longer meant for most groups" or "Google Groups may be a better solution for many groups"? Can you be more specific about "most" and "many"?

I used "most" and "many" since I don't know the exact numbers :-)

With Groups.io, the price for 100 members is $0 and the price for 101 members is $220, and the group gets locked as soon as it hits 101.

This makes Groups.io suited for free groups that aim to have no more than around 75 members and for paid groups of any size. In my opinion, most potential groups are not in either of those categories.

Hence my statement that Groups.io is no longer meant for most groups. If anyone considers starting a group, but they don't want to pay for it and they don't want to limit it to 75-100 members, then Google Groups seems like a good alternative.

To put it differently, Groups.io is reducing its scope or its intended user base to a very narrow band of potential customers. And that is fine -- I **don't** have a problem with it -- but it may be a good idea to make this clear in documentation that is intended to help people.

Samuel

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 09:55 AM, Duane wrote:

If you look at /search?p=SubsCount,,,20,1,0,0

Duane, what's the syntax for that search?

Pete

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On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 11:20 AM, Erynn Albert wrote:

We welcome any thoughts and information and experience that this group can share!

I have no direct experience with it, but based on the evidence, it's only groups that rely on one of the forbidden types as their main intent that get shut down or removed.? If you look at /search?p=SubsCount,,,20,1,0,0 you can see about 25 groups (with 0 members) that have been disabled for violating TOS.? Most of them seem to be for copyright violations, though a few are obviously (to me) for other reasons.? As was mentioned, you could contact support for a direct answer, but I suspect discussion is acceptable.

Duane
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On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 05:16 PM, Samuel Murray wrote:

And like I said in a previous mail: one should realise that the new pricing structure means that Groups.io is no longer meant for most groups, and that Google Groups may be a better solution for many groups.

Hi Samuel,

I'm not sure what you mean that Groups.io is "no longer meant for most groups" or "Google Groups may be a better solution for many groups"? Can you be more specific about "most" and "many"?

Mark

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 02:26 AM, B. Brooke Mann wrote:

Is there an alternative to using port 25

No, groups.io accepts incoming emails only at port 25.

Work begins on Groups.io in 2014

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On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 05:28 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

It would be nice to be able to somehow filter the list based on any of these status badges.?

Agree, it would be very helpful to be able to filter on badges, not just member status badges but also sub preferences badges as well, any available/shown badge in that list.

Cheers,
Christos