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Re: bouncing around

 

Oh mine was yesterday when I got bounced. I haven't been bounced today.
joseph hudson

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On Dec 15, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 06:13 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
However, I got to bounce probes for some strange reason.
Like Sugar, I sent a bounce probe to about 125 GMF members whose GMail accounts were Bouncing this morning. This was under the assumption that Google had actually fixed the problem that was said to have occurred "yesterday."

Unfortunately, it proved to be a waste of time. Please wait for the issue to be remedied...and avoid repeating my mistake.

Regards,
Bruce
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Re: bouncing around

 

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 06:13 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
However, I got to bounce probes for some strange reason.
Like Sugar, I sent a bounce probe to about 125 GMF members whose GMail accounts were Bouncing this morning. This was under the assumption that Google had actually fixed the problem that was said to have occurred "yesterday."?

Unfortunately, it proved to be a waste of time. Please wait for the issue to be remedied...and avoid repeating my mistake.

Regards,
Bruce
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Re: bouncing around

 

Like I mentione to Jeff

Thank you for this.

Smile

Sugar

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bruce Bowman
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 3:04 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] bouncing around

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On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 05:54 PM, Sugar Lopez wrote:

Ok, so I just had to send every single one of my members a pro bounce note, to unbounce themselves.

This is he secnd time I do this with in the hour

Seems to me that sending additional emails -- bounce probes or otherwise -- to email accounts that aren't accepting them isn't going to accomplish much.?

Id it because of today being the last day of yahoo¡¯s e mail groups?

That seems unlikely.

I¡¯m not trying to be difficult, just wondering how long will this go on

See??

It will be fixed when Google gets its act together. There is no way to know exactly when that might be.

Regards,
Bruce

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Re: bouncing around

 

Hi Sugar, who knows how long it will last. I have only been bounced once since this whole thing started. However, I got to bounce probes for some strange reason.

On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:51 PM, Sugar Lopez <sugarsyl71@...> wrote:

Hi all
Ok, so I just had to send every single one of my members a pro bounce note, to unbounce themselves.
This is he secnd time I do this with in the hour
Id it because of today being the last day of yahoo¡¯s e mail groups?
I¡¯m not trying to be difficult, just wondering how long will this go on
Thanks for all you do
Sugar
Re: bouncing around

 

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There appears to be a problem outside the groups.io scene at the moment where perfectly good gmail addresses are bouncing because the gmail server says they do not exist.

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Hopefully the second Google problem in two days will be speedily resolved. ? describes the first outage, which seems to have been self-inflicted rather than the result of malicious outside actors.

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Jeff

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Sugar Lopez
Sent: 15 December 2020 22:51
To: Group Managers Forum <[email protected]>
Subject: [GMF] bouncing around

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Hi all

Ok, so I just had to send every single one of my members a pro bounce note, to unbounce themselves.

This is he secnd time I do this with in the hour

Id it because of today being the last day of yahoo¡¯s e mail groups?

I¡¯m not trying to be difficult, just wondering how long will this go on

Thanks for all you do

Sugar
Re: to the novices who want to move from yahoogroups to io-groups

 

Thanks Duane and Bruce! Finally able to do the move.
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Re: bouncing around

 

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 05:54 PM, Sugar Lopez wrote:

Ok, so I just had to send every single one of my members a pro bounce note, to unbounce themselves.

This is he secnd time I do this with in the hour

Seems to me that sending additional emails -- bounce probes or otherwise -- to email accounts that aren't accepting them isn't going to accomplish much.?

Id it because of today being the last day of yahoo¡¯s e mail groups?

That seems unlikely.

I¡¯m not trying to be difficult, just wondering how long will this go on

See??

It will be fixed when Google gets its act together. There is no way to know exactly when that might be.

Regards,
Bruce
Check out the groups.io Help Center?and?groups.io Owners Manual
bouncing around

 

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Hi all

Ok, so I just had to send every single one of my members a pro bounce note, to unbounce themselves.

This is he secnd time I do this with in the hour

Id it because of today being the last day of yahoo¡¯s e mail groups?

I¡¯m not trying to be difficult, just wondering how long will this go on

Thanks for all you do

Sugar
Re: gmail nightmare continuing

 

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??????????????? Hi,

Yes, I am finding that a few of my members are bouncing off and on and new members that are coming from yahoo groups are bouncing? before they are accepted.

I have unbounced myself only twice today

Does anyone know when this maddness is going to relax a bit?

Smile

Thank you

Sugar

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gmail nightmare continuing

 

I have now literally unbounced myself 3 times within 5 minutes and no doubt will be bouncing again as soon as I hit the ?send¡° button. ?What a nightmare.
Barbara
Re: Bouncing due to a message from GMF!

 

Ken,

If someone is on a number of very busy lists, this would seem to make
bouncing more likely due to the amount of traffic going to one account.
Correct, in the sense that each message sent is an opportunity for the receiving service to reject ("bounce") one of the messages.

In the case of yesterday's Gmail problem, someone whose group subscriptions sent no messages during the affected interval would not have been put on Bouncing status.


But the message logged shows an explanation that clearly say the issue is
Groups.io is sending or connecting too many times and needs to throttle
back. It would serve as a clue that would impact many members as I guess the
threshold is for all of Groups.io mail servers talking to the
Spectrum/Charter mail servers. I hope the solution they are working on is
taking that into account.
For that circumstance, yes. Several months ago Mark implemented means to regulate how many simultaneous connections Groups.io forms to any given service, and IIRC how many messages to deliver during each connection. So it should be a matter of tuning those parameters to suit the limitations of a given service, while working with the service to increase what they allow if their limits are causing noticeable message delay.


Setting a number of members to bouncing is only a temporary and poor fix as
that reduces the continuing traffic from GIO to Spectrum/Charter.
Setting the individual accounts to bouncing is not intended as a fix - it is a response to the service's rejection of messages. If there's a large number of rejections from a given service what has to happen from there is an investigation into the underlying cause, hopefully with the cooperation of that service.

In the case of Gmail yesterday the cause appears to have been a temporary failure of their email servers to recognize valid destination addresses.

There was also yesterday a listing by SORBS (a blacklist service) of one of Groups.io's outbound servers as being a spam source []. That may have caused some email services to start rejecting messages from Groups.io rather than simply diverting them to the member's Spam folder.

Shal
IP for groups.io for SPF record?

 

When I send an email to groups.io, I get a DKIM fail and SPF fail. I would like to work on SPF for now as I am just learning about this.

The error report says:

<source_ip>66.175.222.108</source_ip>
<count>6</count>
-<policy_evaluated>
<disposition>none</disposition>
<dkim>fail</dkim>
<spf>fail</spf>
</policy_evaluated>
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My SPF record does have "include:groups.io".
Do I have to add "ip4:66.175.222.108"?
Someone mentioned that I need to add?ip4:66.175.222.12 too. Is that correct?

Thanks in advance for any suggestion. If this has been asked before, could you point me to the message? Many thanks!


David
Re: configuring reply emails #email #reply-to-group

 

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 10:12 AM, LostAngelKitty wrote:
a member hits reply it replies directly to the individual sender of the group email
See the Reply To section of /helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/customizing-group-settings/message-policy-settings

Duane
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Re: Bouncing due to a message from GMF!

 

Shal,

If someone is on a number of very busy lists, this would seem to make
bouncing more likely due to the amount of traffic going to one account. At
least I think that's the issue for many of us Spectrum/Charter users. But
the message logged shows an explanation that clearly say the issue is
Groups.io is sending or connecting too many times and needs to throttle
back. It would serve as a clue that would impact many members as I guess the
threshold is for all of Groups.io mail servers talking to the
Spectrum/Charter mail servers. I hope the solution they are working on is
taking that into account.

Setting a number of members to bouncing is only a temporary and poor fix as
that reduces the continuing traffic from GIO to Spectrum/Charter.

-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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Re: is there a way to blanket unbounce a bunch of members?

 

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Hi,

Based on a message sent by a moderator of a group I manage: members must take the initiative to unbounce themselves. When they receive bounce probes, they will get a link to unbounce their address, and that must be communicated when sending a message to affected members directly. It could pose an issue if folks do not use the web interface, but that¡¯s not yet tested.

Cheers,

Joseph

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Ruthie Levi
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 5:46 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [GMF] is there a way to blanket unbounce a bunch of members?

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i am an owner of multiple groups...yesterday¡¯s gmail outage has caused many to bounce. i have sent bouncing probes but they are not solving the problem.

thanks for any advice. stay safe, all!

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ruthie levi

ruthlevi@...

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Re: Seems Spectrum/Charter is tripping again

 

The digest this morning is paced with email service providers TRIPPING.

Just out of a strange coincidence today makes the END of Yahoo Groups for good.?

With that stated, in the past 3-days I've blanketed our old 4 groups over there with messages to join up here at GIO.

I've been very surprised to see a significant jump in membership once again.

When all this TRIPPING gets sorted out, I'm hoping for a few late comers to join GIO as well.

BMaverick
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configuring reply emails #email #reply-to-group

 

Hi all? - i have had a request that that when a member hits reply it replies directly to the individual sender of the group email not to the group as a whole. As an example - sent to group, i'm selling shoes, and the replies go to the whole group as opposed to just the shoe seller. How can I change the default settings so that my responding emailer hits reply and it goes to just the original poster and not the group.?

thank you -- Kitty
Re: Bouncing due to a message from GMF!

 

Janet,

It was not the gmail problem from yesterday as the list of my accounts
bouncing went back to messages from the time of the transfer in.
There definitely was an event yesterday afternoon, 2 to 4 pm Pacific (22:00 to 24:00 UTC) which put a couple hundred GMF members who use Gmail, myself included, into Bouncing status. Gmail was reporting that those addresses did not exist.

Mark reported in beta that the issue was not only site-wide, but was affecting many other email services as well.


I haven't posted messages to some of those in months niow and yet they
were on the bounced list.
You posting isn't the trigger. The trigger for the Bouncing status is whether Groups.io (any group) tried to send a message /to/ you.

It stands to reason that the more active a group was during that period, the more likely that group would be the one cited as causing your email address to go to Bouncing status.

Shal


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Re: #issue #invitation #issue #invitation

 

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 09:33 AM, Neill Simpson wrote:
Is there a known problem affecting invitations to some email providers (ntlworld.comn and blueyonder.co,uk)?
Both ntlworld.com and blueyonder.co.uk are owned by Virgin Media.? You may have to contact them to see what's going on.? It appears that they may not allow outside email, but only they know for sure.

The folks that want to be members can use the +subscribe address to apply.? You could also upgrade to Premium for a month to Direct Add them to the group.

Duane
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#issue #invitation #issue #invitation

 

Hi,

Is there a known problem affecting invitations to some email providers (ntlworld.comn and blueyonder.co,uk)?

I am new to io and also to being the secretary of our group (Clyde & Argyll Fungus Group). My first task was to transfer the mailing list from yahoo before today. Most of the invitations were delivered, but there has been a repeated failure to deliver to members of our group with these two email providers. The error message says?'Failed - 421 4.2.0 MXIN611 From header check failed ;id='. (then id information).

How can I add these members, who have sent me personal emails to confirm they wish to be on our list?
Neill
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