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Re: Bouncing due to a message from GMF!

 

Ken,

If someone is on a number of very busy lists, this would seem to make
bouncing more likely due to the amount of traffic going to one account.
Correct, in the sense that each message sent is an opportunity for the receiving service to reject ("bounce") one of the messages.

In the case of yesterday's Gmail problem, someone whose group subscriptions sent no messages during the affected interval would not have been put on Bouncing status.


But the message logged shows an explanation that clearly say the issue is
Groups.io is sending or connecting too many times and needs to throttle
back. It would serve as a clue that would impact many members as I guess the
threshold is for all of Groups.io mail servers talking to the
Spectrum/Charter mail servers. I hope the solution they are working on is
taking that into account.
For that circumstance, yes. Several months ago Mark implemented means to regulate how many simultaneous connections Groups.io forms to any given service, and IIRC how many messages to deliver during each connection. So it should be a matter of tuning those parameters to suit the limitations of a given service, while working with the service to increase what they allow if their limits are causing noticeable message delay.


Setting a number of members to bouncing is only a temporary and poor fix as
that reduces the continuing traffic from GIO to Spectrum/Charter.
Setting the individual accounts to bouncing is not intended as a fix - it is a response to the service's rejection of messages. If there's a large number of rejections from a given service what has to happen from there is an investigation into the underlying cause, hopefully with the cooperation of that service.

In the case of Gmail yesterday the cause appears to have been a temporary failure of their email servers to recognize valid destination addresses.

There was also yesterday a listing by SORBS (a blacklist service) of one of Groups.io's outbound servers as being a spam source []. That may have caused some email services to start rejecting messages from Groups.io rather than simply diverting them to the member's Spam folder.

Shal


IP for groups.io for SPF record?

 

When I send an email to groups.io, I get a DKIM fail and SPF fail. I would like to work on SPF for now as I am just learning about this.

The error report says:

<source_ip>66.175.222.108</source_ip>
<count>6</count>
-<policy_evaluated>
<disposition>none</disposition>
<dkim>fail</dkim>
<spf>fail</spf>
</policy_evaluated>
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My SPF record does have "include:groups.io".
Do I have to add "ip4:66.175.222.108"?
Someone mentioned that I need to add?ip4:66.175.222.12 too. Is that correct?

Thanks in advance for any suggestion. If this has been asked before, could you point me to the message? Many thanks!


David


Re: configuring reply emails #email #reply-to-group

 

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 10:12 AM, LostAngelKitty wrote:
a member hits reply it replies directly to the individual sender of the group email
See the Reply To section of /helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/customizing-group-settings/message-policy-settings

Duane
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Re: Bouncing due to a message from GMF!

 

Shal,

If someone is on a number of very busy lists, this would seem to make
bouncing more likely due to the amount of traffic going to one account. At
least I think that's the issue for many of us Spectrum/Charter users. But
the message logged shows an explanation that clearly say the issue is
Groups.io is sending or connecting too many times and needs to throttle
back. It would serve as a clue that would impact many members as I guess the
threshold is for all of Groups.io mail servers talking to the
Spectrum/Charter mail servers. I hope the solution they are working on is
taking that into account.

Setting a number of members to bouncing is only a temporary and poor fix as
that reduces the continuing traffic from GIO to Spectrum/Charter.

-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
www.jmri.org
www.fingerlakeslivesteamers.org
www.cnymod.org
www.syracusemodelrr.org


Re: is there a way to blanket unbounce a bunch of members?

 

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Hi,

Based on a message sent by a moderator of a group I manage: members must take the initiative to unbounce themselves. When they receive bounce probes, they will get a link to unbounce their address, and that must be communicated when sending a message to affected members directly. It could pose an issue if folks do not use the web interface, but that¡¯s not yet tested.

Cheers,

Joseph

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Ruthie Levi
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 5:46 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [GMF] is there a way to blanket unbounce a bunch of members?

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i am an owner of multiple groups...yesterday¡¯s gmail outage has caused many to bounce. i have sent bouncing probes but they are not solving the problem.

thanks for any advice. stay safe, all!

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ruthie levi

ruthlevi@...

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Re: Seems Spectrum/Charter is tripping again

 

The digest this morning is paced with email service providers TRIPPING.

Just out of a strange coincidence today makes the END of Yahoo Groups for good.?

With that stated, in the past 3-days I've blanketed our old 4 groups over there with messages to join up here at GIO.

I've been very surprised to see a significant jump in membership once again.

When all this TRIPPING gets sorted out, I'm hoping for a few late comers to join GIO as well.

BMaverick
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configuring reply emails #email #reply-to-group

 

Hi all? - i have had a request that that when a member hits reply it replies directly to the individual sender of the group email not to the group as a whole. As an example - sent to group, i'm selling shoes, and the replies go to the whole group as opposed to just the shoe seller. How can I change the default settings so that my responding emailer hits reply and it goes to just the original poster and not the group.?

thank you -- Kitty


Re: Bouncing due to a message from GMF!

 

Janet,

It was not the gmail problem from yesterday as the list of my accounts
bouncing went back to messages from the time of the transfer in.
There definitely was an event yesterday afternoon, 2 to 4 pm Pacific (22:00 to 24:00 UTC) which put a couple hundred GMF members who use Gmail, myself included, into Bouncing status. Gmail was reporting that those addresses did not exist.

Mark reported in beta that the issue was not only site-wide, but was affecting many other email services as well.


I haven't posted messages to some of those in months niow and yet they
were on the bounced list.
You posting isn't the trigger. The trigger for the Bouncing status is whether Groups.io (any group) tried to send a message /to/ you.

It stands to reason that the more active a group was during that period, the more likely that group would be the one cited as causing your email address to go to Bouncing status.

Shal


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Re: #issue #invitation #issue #invitation

 

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 09:33 AM, Neill Simpson wrote:
Is there a known problem affecting invitations to some email providers (ntlworld.comn and blueyonder.co,uk)?
Both ntlworld.com and blueyonder.co.uk are owned by Virgin Media.? You may have to contact them to see what's going on.? It appears that they may not allow outside email, but only they know for sure.

The folks that want to be members can use the +subscribe address to apply.? You could also upgrade to Premium for a month to Direct Add them to the group.

Duane
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#issue #invitation #issue #invitation

 

Hi,

Is there a known problem affecting invitations to some email providers (ntlworld.comn and blueyonder.co,uk)?

I am new to io and also to being the secretary of our group (Clyde & Argyll Fungus Group). My first task was to transfer the mailing list from yahoo before today. Most of the invitations were delivered, but there has been a repeated failure to deliver to members of our group with these two email providers. The error message says?'Failed - 421 4.2.0 MXIN611 From header check failed ;id='. (then id information).

How can I add these members, who have sent me personal emails to confirm they wish to be on our list?
Neill


Re: Bouncing due to a message from GMF!

 

I got that same message and noticed all the bounces were ones with ? Yesterday morning, there was widespread outage affecting Google's Youtube, gmail and other services. Noticed those whose email addresses are not gmail (comcast, aol, etc) were not affected.

David Samuelsen

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 7:27 AM Mike Russell <autolycus0152@...> wrote:
<<Interesting one - for the first time in a couple of years using , I got the message "Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing". I immediately used the un-bounce link, and then checked the groups of which I am and owner or a member, and the one that triggered the bounce condition was GMF, probably as a result of a message sent while gmail was out of action yesterday (which made it look like the e-mail account no longer existed).>>

Same thing happened to me - the trigger was also GMF.

Mike Russell


Re: Bouncing due to a message from GMF!

 

<<Interesting one - for the first time in a couple of years using groups.io, I got the message "Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing". I immediately used the un-bounce link, and then checked the groups of which I am and owner or a member, and the one that triggered the bounce condition was GMF, probably as a result of a message sent while gmail was out of action yesterday (which made it look like the e-mail account no longer existed).>>

Same thing happened to me - the trigger was also GMF.

Mike Russell


Re: Discard messages w/ "Invoice" and "Attendee list" in subject? #spam

 

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Seems like disallowing non-member posts will make the pain go away. I¡¯ll have to check with the group. Thanks for the suggestion...

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Dave

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Duane
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 8:45 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Discard messages w/ "Invoice" and "Attendee list" in subject? #spam

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On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 07:32 AM, Dave Barach wrote:

Would it be possible to add message subject line regular-expression filters to kill obvious spam, rather than put it into the moderation queue?

This is a user-to-user group, so suggestions won't receive any action, just discussion.

There have been requests on the beta group for similar functions, but nothing has been implemented.? If you uncheck the "Allow Nonmembers to Post" setting, these messages won't go into the pending queue.? You'd need to decide which is more important.

Duane
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is there a way to blanket unbounce a bunch of members?

 

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i am an owner of multiple groups...yesterday¡¯s gmail outage has caused many to bounce. i have sent bouncing probes but they are not solving the problem.

thanks for any advice. stay safe, all!

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ruthie levi

ruthlevi@...

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Re: Discard messages w/ "Invoice" and "Attendee list" in subject? #spam

 

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 07:32 AM, Dave Barach wrote:
Would it be possible to add message subject line regular-expression filters to kill obvious spam, rather than put it into the moderation queue?
This is a user-to-user group, so suggestions won't receive any action, just discussion.

There have been requests on the beta group for similar functions, but nothing has been implemented.? If you uncheck the "Allow Nonmembers to Post" setting, these messages won't go into the pending queue.? You'd need to decide which is more important.

Duane
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The official Groups.io user documentation is in the Groups.io Help Center.
GMF's Unofficial Help Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki


Google outage

 

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The technology giant saw all its major apps, including YouTube and Gmail, go offline this morning, leaving millions unable to access key services...more




Discard messages w/ "Invoice" and "Attendee list" in subject? #spam

 

Would it be possible to add message subject line regular-expression filters to kill obvious spam, rather than put it into the moderation queue?

Over the past few months, I have been deleting a dozen message a day which have subject lines like "MWC Barcelona 2020-21 Attendees list."


Re: Bouncing due to a message from GMF!

 

It was not the gmail problem from yesterday as the list of my accounts bouncing went back to messages from the time of the transfer in. I haven't posted messages to some of those in months niow and yet they were on the bounced list.

Janet

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 12:37 PM Tim Mitchell <timmscot@...> wrote:
Interesting one - for the first time in a couple of years using
, I got the message "Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing".

I immediately used the un-bounce link, and then checked the groups of
which I am and owner or a member, and the one that triggered the bounce
condition was GMF, probably as a result of a message sent while gmail
was out of action yesterday (which made it look like the e-mail account
no longer existed).

I joined GMF to learn more about and its administration, but
did not expect practical tests as part of membership!

Tim Mitchell.






Bouncing due to a message from GMF!

 

Interesting one - for the first time in a couple of years using groups.io, I got the message "Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing".

I immediately used the un-bounce link, and then checked the groups of which I am and owner or a member, and the one that triggered the bounce condition was GMF, probably as a result of a message sent while gmail was out of action yesterday (which made it look like the e-mail account no longer existed).

I joined GMF to learn more about groups.io and its administration, but did not expect practical tests as part of membership!

Tim Mitchell.


Re: Footer

 

Admin, Settings, Message Formatting, Message Footer
Remember to click on "Update Group" at the bottom.