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Re: Additional Owner
Bruce,
Keep in mind that being an owner on a group is not a different login. It is just different access to the same login. When he accesses the group via the web, he will have those additional rights and permissions tied to that login. -Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team www.jmri.org www.fingerlakeslivesteamers.org www.cnymod.org www.syracusemodelrr.org |
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Re: Additional Owner
On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 06:37 AM, Cal wrote:
Since you made him a owner you have to designate what aspects of being an owner he can change and do or not doNo, an owner has all privileges.? You only need to make selections for a moderator Duane -- The official Groups.io user documentation is in the Groups.io Help Center. GMF's Unofficial Help Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki |
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Re: Downgrading a group
Chris D,
No. We missed the $110 by a week or so. ... But at $220, it¡¯s tooThe only person who might care, in a constructive sense, does not monitor GMF. I'd suggest a message to support to see if there is any hope for a "grace period" or waiver for your situation, except that your message may not be noticed now that your group has downgraded (unless you own another which is still premium). Another approach might be to explain your situation in a #suggestion to the beta group. I'm not certain what the actual chain of events are when a group like yours reaches the end of its $110 payment period, but if you feel that you missed the deadline due to lack of notice maybe that's something that can be improved. Shal -- Help: /helpcenter More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Additional Owner
Bruce,
If he was a group member already when you promoted him to owner, the change should take effect pretty-much immediately. ?Part of being an owner is you can see & access everything so he doesn't have to do anything special. ?If for some reason, he is having problems, it could be cached info/cookies somewhere, just have him log out of GIO and log back in as normally and now he should be OK. Cheers, Christos |
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Re: Non-member spam-bombing of our group
#spam-bombing
#howto
Pete,
Shal, I'm curious to know what the benefit would be here.Similar to what Frances said. We have people post to GMF without joining. Some time ago GMF crossed a dubious sort of threshold and we saw an uptick in junk postings from non-members such that evident junk now dominates (judging from the address and subject text reported in the activity log). But absent that junk it would be nice to be able to approve on-topic messages from non-members. GMF's archives are public, so it is even possible that those people could see any replies they get, even though they wouldn't receive the replies in email. When approving a non-member message we could separately send a message (or even an invitation) to the sender, suggesting that they'd probably like receive replies by email, but pointing to the public archives if they don't want to accept the invitation. We also get non-member messages to the GMF+owner address. Fortunately these are not (yet?) dominated by junk. If that happens we may have to let most of the mods turn off receipt of non-member posts and let a single spear-catcher (me) handle them. That would slow response dramatically, as I'd likely use a filter to send them into an alternate folder, and plow through it on the weekend. Many of the people that post to the GMF+owner address seem to think GMF is run by Groups.io (likewise a fraction of those who join and post to the group). So I imagine a fair fraction of the legit non-members sending to our posting address have the same misunderstanding - and it seems to me a shame that what they get for their effort is a non-delivery bounce response. Some probably go away with a very negative impression of Groups.io. As it stands, no one has taken on the task of reviewing the activity log for possibly legit messages from non-members. It would be a tedious task, and without access to the message content it would be almost entirely guesswork. So I don't think that's a practical option. Shal -- Help: /helpcenter More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Membership questions
#addmembers
#question
Thanks Duane and Bruce, your responses were very helpful! I am all set!
Best, Liz |
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Re: Upgrad then Downgrade
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýKen, Although I'm sure there is some financial cost to putting that 20GB aside for the group, plus for the overall setup process, it really shouldn't be that significant as cloud storage is plentiful nowadays and most things are done by code, otherwise GIO wouldn't be offering the free month-long trial. But even if we were to assume (or find out) that GIO doesn't really make a profit in that setup and $20 is the cost more-or-less to initially setup a premium group, remember, there's nothing forcing you to stop/cancel this "donation" group at only one month & $20; at the end of the first month trial, you can "sign-up" for the monthly $20 premium option, and keep that group for as many months as you want your total $ donation to be.? Then downgrade it to Basic first, then delete it, and remove your CC info from that email account (assuming you did use a different owner email address).? Or even better, if you are planning on doing this "donation" again next year, downgrade that group to basic but keep it instead of deleting it, and let it sleep there until the next time you want to donate again, then again temporarily upgrade it to the monthly again for as long as you want, and repeat and rinse. And who knows, you may even find some other use for that "donation" group, such as use it as a test group for testing GIO or email/message-related functionality/settings/changes/whatever, before instituting the change/setting or doing the same /whatever to your actual group, another reason for not deleting when done but keeping that group, and it now becomes your GIO-"utility" group. Cheers, Christos |
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Re: Non-member spam-bombing of our group
#spam-bombing
#howto
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 06:21 PM, Peter Cook wrote:
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 05:21 PM, Shal Farley wrote:On my own groups, I allow non-member posts. I must moderate them, even though the group is restricted and unmoderated. It allows me to have the non-member ask something or raise something that the members might be interested in. This works well for committee groups. It also allows me to approve messages from members who are using the wrong email address - and I am quite sure that they are "real". Of course they could create an alternate address but most don't. Of course the non-member doesn't see any feedback. I have to take care of that. Frances ? -- GMF wiki for help.?Search box at the top of each page. Check out the?new groups.io Help Center??Use your browser to search or download?the PDF. |
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Re: Non-member spam-bombing of our group
#spam-bombing
#howto
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 05:21 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
Even here in GMF I'd prefer to allow non-Member postsShal, I'm curious to know what the benefit would be here. Pete |
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Re: Non-member spam-bombing of our group
#spam-bombing
#howto
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 05:12 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
== == Thanx Bruce; that's the same conclusion I was leaning towards. My concern was that the bloating of the Activity Log by all these bounced spammer attempts to post might could be going to cause some sort of problem down the road. It is still a problem of sorts because the spam bounces are diluting the legitimately logged activities by our active member and moderators. Cheers! Paul M. == |
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Re: Non-member spam-bombing of our group
#spam-bombing
#howto
Paul, Fortunately these attempts are all bouncing since our group requires approval of messages but the Activites Log is now showing dozens of attempts from these two spammers over the last three days. That sounds like your group does not allow non-members to post. Which is independent of requiring approval of messages. In many of my groups I like to allow non-member posting, which hasn't been a problem because all non-member posts require approval, regardless of the group's Moderation setting. However, those groups also haven't been hit by mass-mailings. I prefer allowing non-members to post because those (other) groups are Restricted membership and many times valid would-be members don't know how to join, so they just post to the group's posting address as a means of making contact. Catching their messages in Pending and replying off-list is a lot more friendly then having them get a nasty rejection notice from Groups.io. Even here in GMF I'd prefer to allow non-Member posts, but we have been hit by mass mailing (as Duane noted), so rather than take up moderator time with rejecting the junk we've unchecked that box. Now the mass mailing just fills up the Activity log, as with your group. ? Anyone have an idea for how to block these spam posts?? We are a Premium Group but I find no tool for dealing with this. Disallowing non-member posts is the tool for dealing with this. Even if you banned the addresses I believe the attempted posts would still fill up the activity log, just with a different activity ("Banned member attempted to post" or some such, I think). ? ? Is this something to maybe post over on BETA? If you have an idea for what #suggestion to post, sure. I suppose that finding a way to consolidate the activity log entries so that they don't push everything else way down the list might be an idea. Shal -- Help: /helpcenter More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Non-member spam-bombing of our group
#spam-bombing
#howto
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 05:07 PM, Epicatt2 wrote:
My concern is that dozens and dozens of of these bounced post notices continue to show up, bounce, and are bloating our Activities Log. I was mostly wondering ¨Cand still am¨C whether there's any method one can use to block these several aggressive spammers.Paul -- Every incoming message that your group receives will generate a log entry of some kind. You can prohibit posts from non-members, ban the spammer's address or (with a Premium group) ban the domain, but I'm not aware of anything you can do to eliminate the log entries. Regards, Bruce Check out the groups.io Help Center?and?groups.io Owners Manual |
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Re: Non-member spam-bombing of our group
#spam-bombing
#howto
Duane wrote:
== == Duane, This is the same setting that you decribe as with my group. No one sees these non-member posts except the owner/moderators and then only in the Activity Log. I hope that I was being clear about this in my post starting this thread. My concern is that dozens and dozens of of these bounced post notices continue to show up, bounce, and are bloating our Activities Log. I was mostly wondering ¨Cand still am¨C whether there's any method one can use to block these several aggressive spammers. Paul M. == |
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Re: Non-member spam-bombing of our group
#spam-bombing
#howto
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 03:17 PM, Epicatt2 wrote:
Anyone have an idea for how to block these spam posts?Yes: Go to Admin > Settings > Message Policies and uncheck "Allow Nonmembers to Post." Pete |
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Re: Non-member spam-bombing of our group
#spam-bombing
#howto
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 02:17 PM, Epicatt2 wrote:
Is this happening to anyone else right now?One of my groups has had 7 non-member messages, a couple have had 2, and another none since the 1st of November.? I don't have "Allow Nonmembers to Post" checked, so I never see them unless I look in the Activity Log.? Here on GMF, there have been about 100 in the last 2 days! Duane -- The official Groups.io user documentation is in the Groups.io Help Center. GMF's Unofficial Help Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki |
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Re: Membership questions
#addmembers
#question
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 03:50 PM, Liz Zoob wrote:
Is there a way to have groups.io?automatically send them an email with a couple of questions asking about their interest, the way Facebook groups allow, or must I do this manually from my own email account?Set up a Member Notice of type "Pending Subscription" containing the questions and make it Active. Replies will go to the +owner address. See?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/8155?and?/helpcenter/faq/1/group-owner-moderator-faq/q-can-i-screen-prospective-members-who? Regards, Bruce Check out the groups.io Help Center?and?groups.io Owners Manual |
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Re: Membership questions
#addmembers
#question
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 02:50 PM, Liz Zoob wrote:
Is there a way to have groups.io?automatically send them an email with a couple of questions asking about their interestIf your group is Restricted (members must be approved), then yes.? Have a look at the Pending Subscription notice in the Owners Manual.? (There are also many topics about it here on GMF that you could read.)? A lot of us use that to screen prospective members. Duane -- The official Groups.io user documentation is in the Groups.io Help Center. GMF's Unofficial Help Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki |
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