On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 08:53 am, David P. Dillard wrote:

the owner of Groups.IO may not want fee based services on his free site

Mark has never, at least not so far, said anything about being against fee-based membership and was even involved in early discussions on the best ways to implement that.

Do you have credentials that show you have authority as an expert in the subject areas your shared information covers?

I don't think (Dr.) Jennifer Christian needs to worry about that. Perhaps this is addressed to others? In any case, I don't see a relationship between credentials and charging money, in general. Just look around. :-)?

I think you have some walls here to think about and then hurdle before youcan earn income from a discussion group, regardless of how valuable you think the content you share is

I do agree entirely with this. I think that in general it would be very hard to persuade people to pay for a discussion group, no matter WHO runs it. Our group has a reputation for saving cats' lives (literally), at no charge, after the owners' very expensive specialists have screwed things up and nearly killed the cat. We have a couple of very distinguished vets in our group, but they donate their time. I would never dream that I could make any money from the group, even if I wanted to, even though I spend many hours per week on it. I think making money on the internet is, often, almost entirely separate from providing actual value. It's almost purely a marketing problem.?
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On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 06:11 am, Ken Scanes wrote:

I have one lurker who on an almost daily basis is
unsubscribed for spam then re-subscribes. I’ve tried emailing him asking if
I can help, no reply. its not really a big issue but the daily emails telling
me he has been unsubscribed and then another telling me he has re-subscribed
are beginning to bug me. How would other owners handle this?

I'd ban him from your group. He is too stupid and harms your group and every other group on groups.io. His complaints make (unsubstantiated) groups.io's reputation as a spammer in his email provider.

Nonsense.

Outlook doesn't 'hide detailed message from you'. It gives you the complete non-delivery report as received from the sending mailserver.

Here's an example:

Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.

   Sent: Tue, 29 Aug 2017 22:4503 +0100
   Subject: Another failure, dammit

The following recipient(s) could not be reached:

sheila@xxxx.co.uk
   Error Type: SMTP
   Remote server (213.249.242.210) issued an error.
   hMailServer sent: 
   Remote server replied: 554 Your access to this mail system has been rejected due to the sending MTA's poor reputation. If you believe that this failure is in error, please contact the intended recipient via alternate means.



hMailServer

There are several other considerations you may want to ponder in this regard.


First the owner of Groups.IO may not want fee based services on his free site and may create rules regarding this and require that such services pay for the premium version of Groups.IO. Rules for services can change at any time. He also may have additional fees or requirements put into for fee based groups on his service, when such are created.

Secondly, a lawyer should be consulted to guide you to proper legal methods for setting this up and running it in a completely legal way.

Thirdly is there a market for this information product. Will enough people join to allow for a profit or at least cost recovery? Will they
be satisfied with the information product and retained as members?

Do you have a business plan and marketing plan? Nobody who is unaware of
your discussion group will join it. If one pays for your product, it will
need to be private and Google cannot and does not index content on private lists. Nobody will pay who does not perceive concrete benefits from learning from the content you share.

Do you have credentials that show you have authority as an expert in the subject areas your shared information covers? If not, on what basis are you charging for this information. Also can people find the same or similar information for free on the internet, or quality fee based coverage of the same from credentialed experts. If yes to either on what basis are you charging? Are there ways you can practice your expertese in whatever field that are more sure of revenue production than running a discussion group?

I think you have some walls here to think about and then hurdle before you
can earn income from a discussion group, regardless of how valuable you think the content you share is to your clients who pay to join your list.


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Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@...

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Ken

Some groups, like GMF, send out a monthly notice. That can include tips about account management. You decide what. For example perhaps first in a thread would be a better match for this member. (Advanced Preferences)

And have you told the member that Delete works? Marking something as spam doesn’t work. They may think they are tidying up their inbox.

Frances

Indeed Matty, you are misunderstanding something...

The messages which triggered the end user to mark them as spam are just
normal messages, they are NOT spam. The end user, for whatever reason,
has decided to move them to his webmail spam folder, maybe just saying
'I don't want to see all these messages'. In this case it is right that
they are automatically removed from the group. In cases when they have
accidentally done so they are given the opportunity to rejoin. Many do,
some stay unsubscribed.

We moderators are never told what actual message they clicked on as
spam. My exerience with a group we moved over to groups.io six months
ago is that we got a few of these initially but it soon died down -
those accidentally doing it realised their mistake, the rest obviously
decided groups.io was not for them and stayed away. Yahoogroups no
doubt had a similar system in place except we never were told about it,
people just left.

Dave

On 22 Dec 2017 at 4:45, Matty Smith wrote:

Hi
I looked at the two threads referenced in the Beta Group.
What I am not clear about is why should the person who identifies a
message as spam, be the one to be unsubscribed? Shouldn't it be the
person who sent it? I am sure I am missing something there. Thanks Matty

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Frances

Hi
I looked at the two threads referenced in the Beta Group.
What I am not clear about is why should the person who identifies a message as spam, be the one to be unsubscribed? Shouldn't it be the person who sent it?
I am sure I am missing something there.
Thanks
Matty

This has been a feature for over 2 years, but I don't think it's well documented.? A couple of threads you might want to read through are and

Duane

Lena,

This was a reply to a post made by me. I have the full reply archived, available for anyone from Groups.io should they be interested.

Simon Brown, G4ELI

www.dxgalaxy.com
www.sdr-radio.com
www.sdr-satellites.com

I received a message from groups.io, for one of the groups I manage, telling that a given user had been unsubscribed automatically, as he had marked a message as spam. While I agree completely on this behavior, I don't remember having read somewhere about this automatic unsubcription...

Alberto

P.S.

Your Outlook

Or MailEnable - your mail provider's "SMTP server" software.

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 11:26 pm, Simon Brown wrote:

I'm getting 'Remote SMTP Server Returned: 500 Invalid request' replies once
a day or so. Using Outlook 2016.

Reason: Remote SMTP Server Returned: 500 Invalid request

It's incomplete error message. Your Outlook hides detailed message from you.
That's Microsoft's "friendliness" for you.

One of several possible reasons is an attempt to approve a message already approved by another moderator a short time ago.

We? do not charge a fee but solicit donations.? We are a 501 (c)(3) Public? Benefit Charitable Foundation.
We use Paypal for processing donations and they have the ability for both recurring monthly and annual and also one time donations.
However It would be best to have a website for this, I think but not absolutely necessary.? I think you can generate a subscription process with simply an email address, identity and credit info and definitely a checking account to deposit paypal payments into.
You could probably manage subscriptions using a recurring model at paypal but would also need a business entity/license to open a bank account.



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Bob Bellizzi

The Corneadsl Dystrophy Foundation

I have not been following the group closely, so apologize if my question has already been answered -- though I did do a "search" and no messages with "fees" or "money" came up.

I want to earn some money for the value that a new group I have just set up will deliver to its physician-members. They will join this by-invitation group because they want to be part of a professional development community -- learning together, sharing resources, and growing their ability to successfully treat a particularly challenging group of patients.?? Specifically, I'd like to establish a subscription fee, and offer the members a choice between a monthly or yearly payment plan, paid by credit card.?

Are any of you doing that?? If so, have you found an on-line service that makes it (relatively) easy and inexpensive to manage monthly/annual subscriptions and collect fees??? If so, how have you integrated it with your management of the Groups.io group?

A year or so ago, I asked Mark whether he planned to integrate a subscription service into Groups.io, and it wasn't really high on his list.

Jennifer Christian, MD, MPH
Wayland, MA?