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Re: Free group storage limit clarification

 

Thanks for that clarification Duane

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

On 22/01/2020 21:22, Duane wrote:
On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 03:15 PM, Mod Frances wrote:
The owner and moderators of this group believe the subgroups share
the 1 GB limit.
Incorrect.? Mark just recently clearly stated that each subgroup has the same amount of storage space as the main group,
The storage that hasn't been enforced for some time is for attachments. He's working on getting that fixed "soon".
Duane


Re: Free group storage limit clarification

 

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 03:15 PM, Mod Frances wrote:
The owner and moderators of this group believe the subgroups share the 1 GB limit.
Incorrect.? Mark just recently clearly stated that each subgroup has the same amount of storage space as the main group,

The storage that hasn't been enforced for some time is for attachments.? He's working on getting that fixed "soon".

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Re: Free group storage limit clarification

 

Thank you Frances

Yes up on the 80% and deletion etc and that messages don't count

It was the suggestion that sub groups each get a 1GB limit that confused me

Thank you for the clarification

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

The owner and moderators of this group believe the subgroups share the 1 GB limit. However people have been not paying attention to this and it doesn't seem that Mark is either. I would pay attention though. He might start to enforce it.
Note that not everything counts towards the storage limit. For example, messages don't.


Re: Free group storage limit clarification

 

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 04:09 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote:
I was under the impression free groups had a 1GB storage limit

Does each sub group also have a 1GB limit ?

Or is it 1GB for the group regardless of hows many sub groups ?

The Wiki says :-

What is an individual Group¡¯s Storage Limit?

This depends on the type of group in question: Basic (free) Groups have a 1 GB limit; Premium Groups 20 GB and Enterprise Groups 1 TB.
The owner and moderators of this group believe the subgroups share the 1 GB limit. However people have been not paying attention to this and it doesn't seem that Mark is either. I would pay attention though. He might start to enforce it.?

Note that not everything counts towards the storage limit. For example, messages don't.

What Is Counted Towards The Storage Limits For My Group?
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The following are counted towards the storage limits for your group:
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Files
Photos
Images in databases
Images in wiki pages
Message attachments
Messages themselves are not counted towards the storage limits, only any attachments.
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What Happens If I Go Over My Storage Limits?
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We send you a warning when you've reached 80% of your storage limit. You can configure your group to either bounce messages when you've reached your storage limit, or to automatically delete old attachments to keep you under the storage limit. Photos and files are never automatically deleted.

From: ?Plans and Prices

There is also a preference about what to do if you are over. In Admin, Settings, Message Policies.
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Re: Direct Add from existing mailing list could lead to being BANNED? #addmembers #direct

 

Denise,

For something like your long time list of people, the invite method, which
gives the chance to confirm, may be best. The direct add seems intended for
when moving an active list where the members knew it was going to move and
had been given the option to drop from the old list first.

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Free group storage limit clarification

 

I was under the impression free groups had a 1GB storage limit

Does each sub group also have a 1GB limit ?

Or is it 1GB for the group regardless of hows many sub groups ?

The Wiki says :-

What is an individual Group¡¯s Storage Limit?

This depends on the type of group in question: Basic (free) Groups have a 1 GB limit; Premium Groups 20 GB and Enterprise Groups 1 TB.


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Re: Leaving a group

 

Possibly too late for Sheila...

But if your reason for wanting to leave the group is "too many messages!," consider changing your subscription option to daily summary.

That makes your inbox much more manageable.? And thanks to the moderators, you can usually tell from each message's subject line whether or not it's relevant to you.


Re: How do we send message to group from Group Owners

 

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 03:26 PM, Mod Frances wrote:
Bruce's explanation is good, but of course, as an owner, you can send a special message to all members at once
Yeah, I may have misunderstood what Wayne was trying to do.?I was under the impression he wanted to contact?every member, not just those who are receiving group emails.

Having re-read his post, he didn't actually say that.

In any event, even using the +owner return address, your Display Name will appear in the message header, if you don't change it to something else first. This does not happen when posting from the member list.

Bruce


Re: Bizarre! has to approve my own posts ??

 

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 03:10 PM, W David Samuelsen wrote:
Lately I had to approve my own posts to my own groups.
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Bizarre repeating doing it yesterday and today.
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What is going on?
David -- If your group is moderated but you feel you should be exempt, open your own member record and change your Posting Privilege from "Use Group Moderation Setting" to "Override: Not Moderated."

Your member record will subsequently display a "P" status badge.

Bruce


Re: How do we send message to group from Group Owners

 

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 01:02 PM, Wayne Hulehan wrote:
How do we send a message to the group from the group owners?
Bruce's explanation is good, but of course, as an owner, you can send a special message to all members at once. Except "no mail" members.
It wouldn't come from your owner email address though.?

You can change your display name for the group to Owner XXX, if you wish. In Account - top right corner.. Identity. Just make it for that specific group. Just as I did for this post.

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Re: Bizarre! has to approve my own posts ??

 

Check your moderation status.

As I mentioned the other day, on some groups, including GMF, everyone is moderated. Even moderators and owners. As an owner, you can choose your own moderation status.

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Bizarre! has to approve my own posts ??

 

Lately I had to approve my own posts to my own groups.

Bizarre repeating doing it yesterday and today.

What is going on?

David Samuelsen


Re: How do we send message to group from Group Owners

 
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On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 01:02 PM, Wayne Hulehan wrote:
How do we send a message to the group from the group owners?
Wayne -- There's no convenient way to do this, IMO.

You can send a message to 100 subscribers at a time as follows:

1) Go to?/account?page=prefs?and change your "Items per Page" to 100
2)?Go to Admin>Members.
3) Click the "Select All" checkbox at upper left (to the left of the Display Name column label)
4) Scroll down to the Actions menu at the bottom of the page and select "Send Message."
5) On the resulting page, pull down the From: menu and select the group +Owner address (if not already selected)
6) Compose your message and click "Send to Members"
7) Return to the members list and repeat steps 2-6 for each pageful of members.

Note that this process is easier if you compose the message ahead of time and save it as a Member Notice of type "Note to Member." Then all you have to do is select that from the list of Notices (pull-down menu immediately below the message composition window). This is particularly handy if you anticipate ever needing to send the same message again.

If you have many, many members, such that doing this a page at a time is too burdensome, here's the best work-around that I've come up with:

1) Go to Admin>Members and open your own member record.
2) Change your Display Name to "Owners" (or something like that) and click the Save button.
3) Click on New Topic on the left-side menu bar.
4) Click on the From bar at top of the page and again select the +Owner email address.
5) Tick the "Send as Special Notice" checkbox
6) Compose your message and send.
7) Delete the message from the message archive (if desired).
8) Go back to your member record and change the Display Name back the way it was.

This approach has the downside that it won't be received by anyone whose subscription is set to No Email. Also note that any messages appearing in the message archive are displayed with the "current" Display Name. If you don't delete the message in Step #7 before changing your Display Name back, anyone who views messages online will be able to see who sent it. Depending on your anonymity needs, this may or may not be a problem.

Hope this helps,
Bruce


Re: Changing email address - does it preserve ownership rights on other groups #email

 

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 01:22 PM, dcbanks wrote:
So the trick is to click on the top leftmost Groupsio button with all my groups listed but NOT to click on any one of them. Just curious, given that, would it be possible for someone to be a member of Groupsio but not have a group of their own?
You can do it from within a group, but use the Account menu at the upper right where you'll usually see your name.? Anyone can have an account on GIO, but they don't have to belong to any groups.

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Re: New users messages still need approval

 

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 01:19 PM, Otto J. Arnoscht N4UZZ wrote:
So, the direct-add happened when "New Users Moderated" was checked.
In that case, those will all be NuM.? Changing the setting doesn't change any existing accounts.

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Re: Changing email address - does it preserve ownership rights on other groups #email

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Hi Christos.

Aha, now I understand, there is a ¡®top¡¯ account of groupsio, then a trickle down to all my own groups. I must have been ¡®in¡¯ one of my groups at the time. So the trick is to click on the top leftmost Groupsio button with all my groups listed but NOT to click on any one of them. Just curious, given that, would it be possible for someone to be a member of Groupsio but not have a group of their own?

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Thanks, David

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Christos G. Psarras
Sent: 22 January 2020 18:41
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Subject: Re: [GMF] Changing email address - does it preserve ownership rights on other groups #email

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David,

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 12:32 AM, dcbanks wrote:

If I change my email address on one group will all my groups 'inherit' my ownership's and moderators privileges on my new email address automatically?


No, if you change your address on one group only, you'll get what happened to you: ?>>>?Hmm, I did change it but lost all my groups, they completely disappeared off the 'Your Groups' screen. I couldn't get in any one of them, had to re-join one to find out what was going on.<<< The technical reason this happened is, when you changed your account on that group to a different one, since there was not already an account with the new email address in groups.io, it dutifully created a new one for you and logged you in as that new account, not your previous one. (As an FYI, if the new email account was already existing (i.e. you had used it before on groups.io), and you did the same thing on one group, then the same exact result that happened wouldn't have, but instead, you'd lose membership on all your groups except the one you changed the address in; the corollary would had been true if you had logged in with the old address post single-group address change, you'd see all your groups except the one you changed to the new one.)

As stated, you need to go to your main account settings while logged into groups.io with the?pre-changed email, and go to the upper right of the screen and click on?your name?to bring the menu up and select Account and?change it there; this will change it on all your groups preserving your group subscriptions, permissions, and statuses, as well as main account customization settings.

Also as stated, if you want to also preserve both accounts, do as Dave Grimm suggested.

Cheers,
Christos


Re: How to locate members with recent bounce activity #bouncingemails

 

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 01:07 PM, John Pearce wrote:
However now special delivery only see's one email per month and that isn't enough to kick off the bounce process.
It only takes one.? See the details at /static/help#bouncing? It would take much longer for them to change from Bouncing (blue B) to Bounced (red B), as well as to remove the Bouncing (blue B), but the process is the same.

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Re: New users messages still need approval

 

Thank you all for the thoughtful replies.
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No, non-subscribers are are not permitted to post.
No, we have not used any hashtags at all.
Has it always been so?? Interesting question.
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It is a new group.? I direct-added 110 subscribers.
It was a "do-it-yourself" move from yahoo.
I started to get requests? for approval and realized that new users were moderated, and that this meant that all users would be moderated because it was a new group.? So I changed it to uncheck the New Users Moderated.
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So, the direct-add happened when "New Users Moderated" was checked.


Re: Direct Add from existing mailing list could lead to being BANNED? #addmembers #direct

 

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 01:02 PM, <angus.admin@...> wrote:
Adding people without getting their explicit permission in advance would be in breach of the European GDPR, in which case you could be prosecuted, never mind just banned from Groups.io. It seems to me to be a thoroughly bad idea.?
Anne -- I've often wondered about that, but Mark has run the existing features list by his attorneys, and I'm not inclined to second-guess those who do such things for a living. Perhaps the "opt out" link that appears in every Direct Add and Invite notification is enough to ensure compliance. Each and every group email contains an unsub link, too.

For what it's worth, the whole GDPR thing has been cussed and discussed at length. Do a search on that -- either here or in beta -- and you'll get plenty of hits.

Regards,
Bruce


Re: How to locate members with recent bounce activity #bouncingemails

 

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 02:07 PM, John Pearce wrote:
I've partially gone through the member list selecting those with the special setting one at a time and looked at "email delivery history".? I located a few and removed them.? But 900?? Is there a way to find these dead accounts more easily with a more automated method?? I downloaded the member list to see if there is any field there to indicate any bounce activity but that only includes the members settings, which makes sense.? I could possibly send enough special notices in a day or week to trigger the bounce processing but I've no idea how much activity I would need to generate.? I would rather not do that so as not to bother the entire membership.

Go to Admin Members. Use the drop down menu to choose Bouncing.?

There are two pages in the GMF wiki about bouncing.?


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