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On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 04:56 PM, JoeLox@... wrote:

Does anyone know why the View/Edit Row is not shown on some databases?

I think it depends on how the database was set up.? If you're not the group owner/moderator or the table creator, you may not have that option visible.? I haven't really checked into that aspect, but that's my guess.

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On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 03:32 PM, Doug Raymond wrote:

But is the Easy Yahoo Transfer still available, to do a clean transfer of messages to my existing groups.io group, nicely formatted, searchable?

No, but there is information about using the YG provided mbox file file at /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Moving-to-Groups.io#Upload-Services

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On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 03:25 PM, Peter Keenan wrote:

For some reason as a Moderator on two different Group sites, one works, the other does not.? I've compared settings and was wondering if that was owner controlled.

Sort of, it depends on what privileges they give the moderator.? There's a list of them at /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Promotion%2C-Status-or-Permissions-Change-to-Moderator-or-Owner

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Does anyone know why the View/Edit Row is not shown on some databases?
? ?I have many databases that it appears in, but some it doesn't.

Thank You
Joe

Thanks, Bruce.

What is the process to submit an enhancement request to Groups.io?? I want to request enabling search for the email address used when posting.

Regards,
Stan

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 04:50 PM, Stan Garfield wrote:

If not, any other ways of doing this?

Stan -- One more thought...you can always export your messages (Admin>Settings>Export Group Data button at the top). The resulting mbox file does contain header information. Open it in a text editor, and do a search on that for the desired search string[s]. Mbox files can also be opened in Thunderbird or Apple Mail and probably some other email clients, too.

Not particularly convenient, but if you find yourself in desperate need of this, it might serve.

Bruce

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 04:50 PM, Stan Garfield wrote:

The Past Member list does not work for past members from a migrated Yahoo group. It only shows members who left after the group was migrated to Groups.io.

Is there a unique posterid available for members who left before the group as migrated?

Posterid is the primary subscription identifier. A single account/email address can have multiple posterids, one per group.?

The way I understand it, only accounts that are 1) currently active in your Yahoo group and 2) not in Bouncing status, are transferred. At that time, a groups.io account is created for each of those email address (if not already present) and a posterid in your group is assigned.

Later in the same transfer, incoming messages are compared against those email addresses and if any matches are found, they are mapped to the corresponding posterid. If there is no corresponding email address among the subscribers, the posterid is left empty.

Something similar happens if a person leaves the group. This leaves such messages orphaned, as far as these kinds of searches are concerned.

If not, any other ways of doing this?

As I mentioned earlier, for activities that occurred after the transfer, you can search the Activity Log for his email address. But for posts that occurred before the transfer, for people who are not current subscribers, I really think you're stuck with sig line content or quoted text or other such references that may have appeared in the message body.

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Bruce

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Christos -

Another way around this (the lazy problem) might be to add a line to the footer,
With a well labeled description/tag. "New Topic"
/g/GroupManagersForum/post

That pulls me right back to the Group site from my third party WEBmail.
(So it does not solve everything for all...)

Rick

Thanks, Bruce.

The Past Member list does not work for past members from a migrated Yahoo group. It only shows members who left after the group was migrated to Groups.io.

Is there a unique posterid available for members who left before the group as migrated? If not, any other ways of doing this?

Regards,
Stan

That reminds me of the early "good ol' days" when folks kept using the Reply All function and email boxes got filled real quick with these huge email files for those days. I ended up actually automatically deleting emails from certain relatives of mine who made this a practice. It was almost as bad as folks using All Caps when writing, which those not interested to learn apparently did not know was the equivalent of yelling and shouting at someone.

I do like the idea of context, but Chris' mention of quotes is exactly what we expect from authors, bloggers, speakers, writers, and more. Email is an actual writing product, and while we certainly don't have to be experts to write or use email there are protocols established that are acceptable usually across the world (and I apply that to messenger and tweets for myself).

I'm going to have to figure out a good approach and how to word it simply, plainly, and thorough enough. As a trainer, instructor, and educator I can also know some folks just won't be responsible or learn. But then that is where discipline applied by moderators of a group can keep an eye out for and have a basis for handling the situations as they arise without coming across as mere authoritarians or as predominantly?opinionated. IMO.

I've been bouncing around since 1978 on computers, back when we had tape drives. Wow.

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On 16/01/2020 21:12, txercoupemuseum.org wrote:

What “speech bubble”?

It's a little icon that looks like a puff of smoke or a mirred "Q" when you use "Reply" on the web site. See screenshot.

Samuel

Bruce

On Jan 16, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 03:59 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
3. Only new topic posts are moderated
Exactly. If I want to introduce a new topic without getting it moderated, all I have to do is hijack an existing one.

Lots of people do this anyway, simply because they're lazy (easier to hit reply than compose a new message and type in a subject line). Don't want to give them another reason.

Yes, most people do this anyway.
Some are lazy.
Most probably don't realize they are doing something 'wrong' or rude, and believe it is the 'safest way' to make sure they get their message addressed correctly.

I'll concede that a 'bad actor' (knowledgeable enough to address and post with an appropriate Subject line) could and probably would revert to the 'lazy' practice to get around this new setting.

I believe "Messages that start new topics are moderated" will probably inhibit more 'lazy posters' than stop 'bad actors', but the 'cure' is probably putting all such offenders on Moderation and sending them an explanation.

BTW, this is more of a human and communication problem in general, than an 'email' (or Groups.io) problem.
Even never-ending 'language arts' education will never eliminate it.

I say let the new setting "Messages that start new topics are moderated" option exist, see how it works, and use it if you wish.


Michael

On 16/01/2020 20:04, Michael Pavan wrote:

On Jan 15, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Samuel Murray
<samuelmurray@...> wrote:

It's also how it used to be with Yahoogroups and how it still is
with Google Groups for all of the groups that I'm a member of.
It's just simpler to refer to a group by it's mail address than by
its web address.

[email protected] is simpler than GROUPNAME.groups.io ??? Really, you're saying an "@" is simpler than a "." ???

1. I was referring to groups whose URLs contain slashes and sub-directories. This does not apply to GIO (as long as you don't have subgroups).

2. Yes, it is simpler to refer to a group by its e-mail address, *if* that is how you normally use the group... i.e. by e-mail. It makes no sense to refer to a group by a web address if the thing that you type whenever you want to interact with the group is an e-mail address.

3. Despite the fact that you can use GROUPNAME.groups.io, that is only useful to you if you see it often. But you don't. If you look at your browser's address field while browsing the group, or add a bookmark to it, you don't see GROUPNAME.groups.io.

4. GIO uses the e-mail address to refer to a group on other places as well. At the top of the message list, it uses the group's e-mail address. And on the group's home page, next to the group's name, it shows the group's e-mail address.

That said, my comment that you replied to was not a advocacy for using the e-mail address, but simply a defense for using it.

Samuel

Is there a way to lock up the Member Notices feature?
I made a new one but it does not show up in the list.

For some reason as a Moderator on two different Group sites, one works, the other does not.? I've compared settings and was wondering if that was owner controlled.
Thanks,
Peter

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On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 03:59 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:

3. Only new topic posts are moderated

Exactly. If I want to introduce a new topic without getting it moderated, all I have to do is hijack an existing one.

Lots of people do this anyway, simply because they're lazy (easier to hit reply than compose a new message and type in a subject line). Don't want to give them another reason.

Bruce

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 03:17 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:14 AM, Duane wrote:

The 3 choices now are: "Not moderated", "All messages are moderated", and "Messages that start new topics are moderated".? This is a group-wide setting as opposed to individuals.

So Mark finally implemented this suggestion, eh?

I suppose it's always good to have a choice, but I've never been fond of a setting that encourages people to hijack threads to avoid being moderated. No way will I ever use that third option.

Bruce

I think you are looking at this in a different way that I see it. My interpretation is that the settings refer to:

1. Nothing moderated
2. All posts moderated
3. Only new topic posts are moderated

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On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 02:22 PM, txercoupemuseum.org wrote:

What “speech bubble”?

On the top bar of the Reply frame/box, at the left.

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