Thanks, Bruce.

The Past Member list does not work for past members from a migrated Yahoo group. It only shows members who left after the group was migrated to Groups.io.

Is there a unique posterid available for members who left before the group as migrated? If not, any other ways of doing this?

Regards,
Stan

That reminds me of the early "good ol' days" when folks kept using the Reply All function and email boxes got filled real quick with these huge email files for those days. I ended up actually automatically deleting emails from certain relatives of mine who made this a practice. It was almost as bad as folks using All Caps when writing, which those not interested to learn apparently did not know was the equivalent of yelling and shouting at someone.

I do like the idea of context, but Chris' mention of quotes is exactly what we expect from authors, bloggers, speakers, writers, and more. Email is an actual writing product, and while we certainly don't have to be experts to write or use email there are protocols established that are acceptable usually across the world (and I apply that to messenger and tweets for myself).

I'm going to have to figure out a good approach and how to word it simply, plainly, and thorough enough. As a trainer, instructor, and educator I can also know some folks just won't be responsible or learn. But then that is where discipline applied by moderators of a group can keep an eye out for and have a basis for handling the situations as they arise without coming across as mere authoritarians or as predominantly?opinionated. IMO.

I've been bouncing around since 1978 on computers, back when we had tape drives. Wow.

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On 16/01/2020 21:12, txercoupemuseum.org wrote:

What “speech bubble”?

It's a little icon that looks like a puff of smoke or a mirred "Q" when you use "Reply" on the web site. See screenshot.

Samuel

Bruce

On Jan 16, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 03:59 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
3. Only new topic posts are moderated
Exactly. If I want to introduce a new topic without getting it moderated, all I have to do is hijack an existing one.

Lots of people do this anyway, simply because they're lazy (easier to hit reply than compose a new message and type in a subject line). Don't want to give them another reason.

Yes, most people do this anyway.
Some are lazy.
Most probably don't realize they are doing something 'wrong' or rude, and believe it is the 'safest way' to make sure they get their message addressed correctly.

I'll concede that a 'bad actor' (knowledgeable enough to address and post with an appropriate Subject line) could and probably would revert to the 'lazy' practice to get around this new setting.

I believe "Messages that start new topics are moderated" will probably inhibit more 'lazy posters' than stop 'bad actors', but the 'cure' is probably putting all such offenders on Moderation and sending them an explanation.

BTW, this is more of a human and communication problem in general, than an 'email' (or Groups.io) problem.
Even never-ending 'language arts' education will never eliminate it.

I say let the new setting "Messages that start new topics are moderated" option exist, see how it works, and use it if you wish.


Michael

On 16/01/2020 20:04, Michael Pavan wrote:

On Jan 15, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Samuel Murray
<samuelmurray@...> wrote:

It's also how it used to be with Yahoogroups and how it still is
with Google Groups for all of the groups that I'm a member of.
It's just simpler to refer to a group by it's mail address than by
its web address.

[email protected] is simpler than GROUPNAME.groups.io ??? Really, you're saying an "@" is simpler than a "." ???

1. I was referring to groups whose URLs contain slashes and sub-directories. This does not apply to GIO (as long as you don't have subgroups).

2. Yes, it is simpler to refer to a group by its e-mail address, *if* that is how you normally use the group... i.e. by e-mail. It makes no sense to refer to a group by a web address if the thing that you type whenever you want to interact with the group is an e-mail address.

3. Despite the fact that you can use GROUPNAME.groups.io, that is only useful to you if you see it often. But you don't. If you look at your browser's address field while browsing the group, or add a bookmark to it, you don't see GROUPNAME.groups.io.

4. GIO uses the e-mail address to refer to a group on other places as well. At the top of the message list, it uses the group's e-mail address. And on the group's home page, next to the group's name, it shows the group's e-mail address.

That said, my comment that you replied to was not a advocacy for using the e-mail address, but simply a defense for using it.

Samuel

Is there a way to lock up the Member Notices feature?
I made a new one but it does not show up in the list.

For some reason as a Moderator on two different Group sites, one works, the other does not.? I've compared settings and was wondering if that was owner controlled.
Thanks,
Peter

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On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 03:59 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:

3. Only new topic posts are moderated

Exactly. If I want to introduce a new topic without getting it moderated, all I have to do is hijack an existing one.

Lots of people do this anyway, simply because they're lazy (easier to hit reply than compose a new message and type in a subject line). Don't want to give them another reason.

Bruce

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 03:17 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:14 AM, Duane wrote:

The 3 choices now are: "Not moderated", "All messages are moderated", and "Messages that start new topics are moderated".? This is a group-wide setting as opposed to individuals.

So Mark finally implemented this suggestion, eh?

I suppose it's always good to have a choice, but I've never been fond of a setting that encourages people to hijack threads to avoid being moderated. No way will I ever use that third option.

Bruce

I think you are looking at this in a different way that I see it. My interpretation is that the settings refer to:

1. Nothing moderated
2. All posts moderated
3. Only new topic posts are moderated

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Gerald

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 02:22 PM, txercoupemuseum.org wrote:

What “speech bubble”?

On the top bar of the Reply frame/box, at the left.

Duane
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GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki
Help: /static/help
Search button at the top of Messages list
A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 02:22 PM, R. Hari wrote:

Also under members it shows the number 1 instead of 30

When there are pending members, the default view for that page is Pending.? You have to use the drop down to select Members to get to the regular page.

Duane
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GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki
Help: /static/help
Search button at the top of Messages list
A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions

There are 30 members in our group and a new person applied for subscription. Usually it shows up in the pending list under admin for approval. Today it shows that email address under admin->members rather than admin->pending. Under pending nothing is listed. Also under members it shows the number 1 instead of 30. I wonder whether anyone else has encountered this.

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What “speech bubble”?

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 02:17 PM, Stan Garfield wrote:

Search does not search the first line in messages that shows the member's name and email address, e.g., Curtis A. Conley <thissubscriber @ hisdomain.com>

Stan -- That's correct...the engine indexer operates on the subject line and message body only.

See?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Using-the-Search-Engine

Thus, I can't find messages by searching for "thissubscriber @ hisdomain.com"?-- is there a way around this?? Or any other way of locating posts made by former members?

If you know his posterid, or can find one of his messages, yes. See?/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/68835192#26422?for details.

Premium groups also have access to Past members via the Member List and you can look up his activity history (including messages posted) that way.

Bruce

I can easily find all posts by current members of my group. For members who have changed their email addresses, or are no longer members, I would like to be able to find all messages that they posted. Search does not search the first line in messages that shows the member's name and email address, e.g., Curtis A. Conley <thissubscriber @ hisdomain.com>

Thus, I can't find messages by searching for "thissubscriber @ hisdomain.com"?-- is there a way around this?? Or any other way of locating posts made by former members?

[Email address genericized by Moderator.]?

Samuel,

On Jan 15, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Samuel Murray <samuelmurray@...> wrote:

On 15/01/2020 19:02, Michael Pavan wrote:

I don't understand why Groups.io mis-refers to groups by their by the
group's posting email address rather than the group's URL. I believe
in past discussion it has been stated that 'that's just how it is'.

It's also how it used to be with Yahoogroups and how it still is with Google Groups for all of the groups that I'm a member of. It's just simpler to refer to a group by it's mail address than by its web address.

[email protected] is simpler than GROUPNAME.groups.io ???

Really, you're saying an "@" is simpler than a "." ???

GROUPNAME.groups.io works and is more intuitive and memorable.

Michael

2 ways I know of
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1.
This works on windows computers as a standalone software in the opensource freeware realm.? It works alright on Win8.1.
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2. convert your files online via ZAMZAR
Upload and then get the converted file.?
CAUTION.? Anything copyrighted or private should NOT go thru any service like this.? Unknown if online convertors retain those files in a offline storage area for their own use.

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 09:15 AM, Duane wrote:

No.? There's not even an entry in the Activity log.? Both have been requested on the beta group.? It's possible that some things like this will be part of the app at some point.

There's an app?

[Mod Note: Not yet. See?]

Anna,

I was able to successfully improve the search engine hits to my groups place here.
The main page under the description is one of the keys to help bring search engine finders to the group.

Looking at our main page here, you will notice a few things.

- The first 5 words are keywords that the crawlers on the main web page looks for in the description field.? Thus,Yanmar Tractor Owners Group are set by the crawlers as the page TAGS.
- The number of times you use a key word is critical.? Thus, our word is Yanmar.? BUT, it can not be a repeated word and used one in a sentence.? The crawlers logic has to see the description as a field of balanced information.
- Lastly, it will use the last sentence as combinational occurrence words.? Not quite like a TAG, but in combination with a TAG. So, if someone did a search engine lookup for Yanmar YM3000, my GroupsIO page will be ranked on the first or second page vs. a dozen pages down a long listing of finds.
?
I had used a digital forensics tool that simulates web page crawlers and how they compile search engine data. The before and after effects are very impressive.?? Search engines like Google, DuckDuckGo, StartPage, DogPile, etc, the GroupsIO page ranks within the top 5 listings now for finding the group. :)?? In one weeks time after the alignment to find the group, membership jumped by 30 people joining.

Under the ADMIN tab, you can click on the ACTIVITY tab.? This will help you understand who joins via the web site and who joins via email.? For our group right now, it's 50/50.? So, the search engine rankings have helped.
?
Hope this helps you and other groups here.? The tool really isn't needed after knowing what information the tool described as being essential for the crawlers to find you.

BMaverick

Thanks Duane

I suspected as much but thought I would check just in case

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