Hello there, I am an owner of a group and for some reason I am not able to get in to the group, so I wonder if I should unsubtle, and then get back in again, Any help would be welcomed thank you so much.

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On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 04:36 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:

I'm not sure if it is possible to set a topic as moderated, but if you can do that, you could do that, to prevent further "replies" to that mistaken message from being automatically posted.

Yes, you can use the More menu to set a topic as moderated. You must be an owner or moderator.

Frances
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On 14/01/2020 08:07, Valorie Zimmerman wrote:

One of my new groups is getting tons of "Re: reply to subscribe" messages. But they are not subbed! If I approve the message, it
seems to appear as a message. :( However, some seem properly subbed,
as I can click on their email and see that.

I joined your group temporarily (membership is unrestricted), and here's what I think happened.

One person sent a message to the group with the subject line "reply to subscribe" (which he intended to mean "here is my reply in order to subscribe"), but other list members saw the message and thought that it was an instruction (i.e. "reply to this e-mail if you want to confirm that you want to subscribe), and now many members are replying to that original message.

The original sender of the "reply to subscribe" message did not realise that he needs to press REPLY in his mail program in order to confirm his subscription, so he did what some e-mail users nowadays do: he created a *new* e-mail and addressed it to what he considered the originator of the mail that he's "replying" to.

Or, perhaps he clicked a "Reply to group" link at the bottom of one of the group's other mails, which would result in something similar (although he would have needed to edit the subject line).

I'm not sure if it is possible to set a topic as moderated, but if you can do that, you could do that, to prevent further "replies" to that mistaken message from being automatically posted.

Samuel

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 07:22 AM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote:

If I approve the message, it seems to appear as a message.

I am not entirely sure about the sequence you are trying to describe, but as your group appears to have a "UK" involvement are the messages in question coming from people with btinternet.com email addresses?

Chris

On 14/01/2020 01:39, Events events wrote:

I would like to add an unsubscribe link to my welcome message simlar to the unsubscribe link in the direct add message.

In the Welcome Message member notice that GIO generated for my group, it already contains unsubscribe instructions near the bottom of the message:

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If you do not wish to belong to this group,
you may unsubscribe by sending an email to:
[email protected]
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You can select the e-mail address, click the "chain" icon, and then add a URL, which for e-mail is "mailto:" followed directly by the address. See screenshot attached.

Samuel

But they are not subbed! If I approve the message, it seems to appear as a message. :(

However, some seem properly subbed, as I can click on their email and see that.

The group is?

Valorie

Bruce,
Your last answer was just what I was looking for, This platform has so many capabilities!
Thank you so much.
Bill

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:13 PM, Bill Hazel wrote:

Is there any way to see ALL the edits to a group's wiki?

Bill -- Yes. On any wiki page, click the "xx revisions" link at upper right (where "xx" is the number of revisions). This will return a page of links to all the revisions of that page.

Currently I can only figure out how to see the edits to whatever page I'm looking at so I have no idea what content is being added.

If you select any two checkboxes on the revisions page and click the "Compare Revisions" button, this will display the differences...kinda. It doesn't always work perfectly.

As a group owner it would seem that I could be in danger legally if a member added or edited pages that contained illegal content.

There is no system in place to send you a notification when a page is edited, short of monitoring the Activity Log. If you are truly concerned about this you can always restrict all wiki revisions to Moderators/Owners (Admin>Settings>Features>Wiki>Permissions) or instead at the page level at the time of creation (click the "only Moderators can edit this page" checkbox).?

It would also be nice to be able to see if the wiki was being used as they are designed, as a community knowledge sharing platform.
Is anyone else contributing? Are they doing a "good" job or could they use a little training?

Again, the Activity Log will tell you if someone is contributing (look for entries saying "updated wiki page"). As for whether they are doing a good job, you will have to keep tabs on this yourself and apply your own criteria.?There is no software solution to that (too bad, Wikipedia could really benefit from something like that).

Regards,
Bruce

Is there any way to see ALL the edits to a group's wiki?
Currently I can only figure out how to see the edits to whatever page I'm looking at so I have no idea what content is being added.
As a group owner it would seem that I could be in danger legally if a member added or edited pages that contained illegal content.
It would also be nice to be able to see if the wiki was being used as they are designed, as a community knowledge sharing platform.
Is anyone else contributing? Are they doing a "good" job or could they use a little training?

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Paul,

>>> I tried to use?[email protected]?but this requires the member to log in or create a login if they don’t have one.

I think you may had been intending to post the URL link there, not the email address; anyone on the planet with an email address can send email to [email protected]***, it does not require that person to have a specific group membership or even a groups.io account, so you are fine using this unsub email address in any message/notice your group sends out.
(*** obviously you'll get back different responses depending on whether you are a member or not but that's besides the point)

>>> I would like to add an unsubscribe link to my welcome message similar to the unsubscribe link in the direct add message. If a person new to groups.io wants to unsubscribe, they don’t want to have to create a login.

Since I take it you mean it's the group welcome message/notice you are working with, then anyone receiving/reading it on the other end are already members by the time they get that email, so they already have a GIO login/account, so no worries there, all they have to do is send email to the unsubscribe address, or do it through the online interface if they prefer, and you can safely include both unsubscribing email address and group web link.

>>> How can I do this.

Here's the "boiler plate" text I use in the group welcome messages in the groups I admin regarding unsubscribing, always ensuring it's at the top area, so it's visible right away pretty-much, and I also always list the email unsub method first:

Greetings and Welcome to XYZ, a discussion group for ... (a one or two liner explaining what the group is about)

You are receiving this message because your membership in our group was just approved.? If you accidentally joined this group, or were accidentally added to this group, and/or you do not wish to belong to this group anymore, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to [email protected] or if using the Groups.io online interface, by going to our group's Subscription page (/g/XYZ/editsub) and clicking Unsubscribe at the bottom of the page. (Please note if you use the online method, if you never visited Groups.io before and have not yet created your account password, select "Email me a link to login" when presented with the Groups.io Login screen)

... (rest of stuff like rules, how-to, etc, follow)

Cheers,

Christos

Don't forget the search box at the top of the wiki pages. ?Simple searches work best.

There is the table of contents too!

Frances
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On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 07:41 PM, Events events wrote:

I would like to add an unsubscribe link to my welcome message simlar to the unsubscribe link in the direct add message. I tried to use?[email protected]?but this requires the member to log in or create a login if they don’t have one. ? If a person new to groups.io wants to unsubscribe, they don’t want to have to create a login. How can I do this.

First, the invitation email says: ?If you are not interested, or if joeblow@...?is not your email address, please ignore this email. So it will expire.

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I would like to add an unsubscribe link to my welcome message simlar to the unsubscribe link in the direct add message. I tried to use?[email protected]?but this requires the member to log in or create a login if they don’t have one. ? If a person new to groups.io wants to unsubscribe, they don’t want to have to create a login. How can I do this.
Paul

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 07:25 PM, Bruce Hyman wrote:

sorry i couldnt find this: i am the owner of a group that is not needed. how can i delete the group?

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In Admin, Settings. Bottom of the page - red button.
Be careful if you do. You might want to rename your group first so that you can re-use the name if you wish.

Frances
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Gentlemen,

Was in shock, and poor subject was probably my attempt to keep sense of humor... my apologies.

Have contacted support, when they stop laughing at me they may reply,
jim

sorry i couldnt find this: i am the owner of a group that is not needed. how can i delete the group?

That's pretty clever.

I just noticed that the creator of PGO-2-GIO finally has something on his webpage about it, but it's pretty subtle. It simply says "

?Yahoo or Facebook Group migration?to phpBB or Wordpress or Groups.io. For more info click??
He's trying to cover four cases in one sentence and that's obscure.
Larry

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Larry

On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 04:50 PM, Ann Wild wrote:

I have a simple question, but cannot find the answer in wiki.

Glad you got the answer but I wanted to point out that there is a search box at the top of the wiki page.

A search for NC in the wiki search box retrieved this:

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On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 04:10 PM, Marv Waschke wrote:

Descriptive subject help a lot.

Marv -- As the Moderator who approved it, I accept responsibility for that.

Generally we all need to do a better job of reviewing incoming topics and --- if necessary -- providing a subject line more useful to both subscribers and the search engine. When the Yahoo flood was ongoing, we could be forgiven for putting such things on the back burner. That excuse no longer exists.

Bruce

On 13/01/2020 18:25, Laurence Marks wrote:

PGO-2-GIO is using HTTP.

Thanks for clearing that up, Laurence. Information about PGO-2-GIO is currently all rather hush-hush, so one can but only draw conclusions from whenever bits of information float to the surface. :-)

Note that both HTTP and SMTP have the unfortunate effect of making every post appear as it came from one individual.

No, the fact that it appears as if the posts are all from the same person is not an artifact specificallyt of HTTP or SMTP being used.

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Using redirection

As I said previously, if one uses "redirect" (which uses SMTP), all kinds of cool things happen. The screenshots attached show what happens when I redirect 11 messages from an old Yahoogroups MBOX. This is with Thunderbird 60.9.1 using Onno Ekker's "Mail Redirect" add-on (without the add-on, you can only redirect messages individually, and a later version of Thunderbird may not work with the add-on).

Of course, one can do a bit of clever find/replace on the MBOX file to make certain information from the headers visible in the body of the message, e.g. original date, original msg number, possibly even threading, similar to what PGO-2-GIO is doing.

As a reminder, you have to enable sending by non-subscribers, otherwise most of these redirected mails will be rejected by Groups.io as coming from non-subscribers.

If you're going to use this method, you'd have to ensure that (a) your SMTP service allows redirection and (b) you may have to buy extra sending capabilities. Also, I'm not sure at what point Groups.io will start blocking the mails, and what happens to such blocked mails.

I recently tried to make a list of some SMTP services, but I haven't tested if they allow redirection. For what it's worth, here is the list (I hope this isn't regarded as disallowed advertising):


eur 20 monthly, 40 000 mails per month
OR eur 0 monthly, 300 mails per day


pay as you go: 50c per 1000 mails


eur 0 monthly, 40 000 mails first month, 100 per day afterwards
OR eur 15 monthly, 40 000 mails per month


eur 10 monthly, 10 000 mails, + eur 1.25 per 1000 mails
eur 50 monthly, 50 000 mails, + eur 1.00 per 1000 mails


eur 14 monthly, 20 000 mails
eur 69 monthly, 100 000 mails
(This is the one I use, and it does support redirection.)

So, if you want to redirect 100 000 mails:

Sendinblue: eur 60, takes 3 months
Mailgun: eur 50, as long or short as you need
Sendgrid: eur 45, takes 3 months
Postmarkapp: eur 125, takes 1 month
SMTP2go: eur 69, takes 1 month

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Samuel