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Re: How Calendar Event Reminders are handled based on an individual's Subscription settings
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On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 10:38 AM, Howard Waxman, WZ4K wrote:
Bruce (or Mod.) Please clarify for me as I agree, the Reminder options are quite granular:Howard -- A #cal-reminder is not a notification...it is just another post to the group, with a hashtag.?Perhaps it *should* be a notification, I can see both pros and cons to that (see further below). The message itself should post to the group message archive in a timely fashion, but the bottom line is that anyone signing up for digest delivery has actively forfeited their right to the timely receipt of group messages (via email). 2. How are Special Notices handled with respect to an individual's Subscription setting?I frankly didn't know, so I just tested this...and the "send as special notice" option does seem to force prompt delivery of a #cal-reminder to those subscribed with a digest. So I learned something today! I do suggest polling your digest subscribers about this before going down that road. Some might take exception to this override. Regards, Bruce |
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Re: Email merge
On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 10:24 AM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
I have also tried logging in on the same browser with two different login accounts. Since there is no way that i could find to login in on the initial logged in page without first doing a logout, I go to a new browser tab to try this. All that happened was that the first login instance was changed to the second account. There was no suggestion to merge accounts.Gerald/Sandi -- My bad. There is no way to get to the login page if you're already logged in with that browser. It's actually done from the Account page, which kinda looks like the login page at first glance. If on the Account page, you type in another email address (overwriting what's already there) and click Change Email (or simply hit the Enter key), the merge dialog pops up if the newly-entered email address is already registered with groups.io. Note that the new address doesn't even have to be yours...if you had the cooperation of someone else, the accounts of two entirely different people can be merged, if for some obscure reason you felt it was desirable to do that. Regards, Bruce |
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Re: Email merge
On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 08:16 AM, John Russell wrote:
If you merge 2 email addresses and the emaIl address which is deactivated is the only owner of a group, then I think that should be prevented with a message. The message should prompt you to go back to the group or groups where you are the owner and promote one of the moderators (or a member) to owner, before attempting this merge again. The fact that you can do this at the moment is sort of a bug, in my opinion, and should be reported to support so some code can be added to the "merge email accounts" function to prevent a group becoming orphaned. Do you agree?John -- I do.? There is a fail-safe in place for account deletion, to keep you from accidentally deleting the last Owner of a group...but some posts here in GMF over the past year or two have suggested that the fail-safe can be circumvented via merging accounts. Being disinterested in creating a problem for myself, I haven't actually verified this. So unfortunately, it remains hearsay on my end, which is the only thing that's kept me from reporting it. By the way, I noticed the use of inactivate earlier in this thread. I think deactivate is more appropriate, etc...I kinda think this is splitting hairs...but I'm not married to the existing wording. Have at it! Bruce |
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Re: #howto #announcement
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#announcement
On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 02:39 PM, Paula K. Parker wrote:
Mondays and Fridays will be for specific topics. I would rather not have to send a reminder post each week. Is there a way I can have a reminder sent automatically, similar to the one that goes out on the first of the month?You could create a Calendar Event for Mondays and another for Fridays.? Each can repeat ad infinitum as long as you want.? And you could have a reminder sent sometime before the event, when the event occurs, or both.? It wouldn't include what the subject is, unless it's always the same, but would announce that those are Special Topic days. Duane -- Help: /static/help GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Search button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions |
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#howto #announcement
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#announcement
We are changing the weekly discussion format for our group. Mondays and Fridays will be for specific topics. I would rather not have to send a reminder post each week. Is there a way I can have a reminder sent automatically, similar to the one that goes out on the first of the month?
Thank you, Paula Parker |
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Re: Can we disable 'Likes'?
#featurerequest
On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 02:33 PM, RFI-EMI-GUY wrote:
This unwanted draft creation is a result of clicking the "view/reply online" button in the mail digest.It's easy enough to click Discard if a draft/reply is opened.? As far as changing it, nothing will be done if you don't post about it on the beta group.? There is no GIO management here. BTW, it's considered impolite to hijack a topic to try to further your cause. Duane -- Help: /static/help GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Search button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions |
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Re: Can we disable 'Likes'?
#featurerequest
Search for my two threads about "spontaneous drafts" and drafts bug. This unwanted draft creation is a result of clicking the "view/reply online" button in the mail digest. Those two functions need to be bifurcated into separate buttons. The unwanted draft has the subject filled and the browser assumes it is a true draft.
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I complained of this, even sent in a bug report. I got shut down for even mentioning it. You would think that hosting / storing zillions of unwanted drafts would be something the developers would not be happy with. On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 06:40 PM, Duane wrote: On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 03:45 PM, BMaverick wrote: |
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Re: Is it possible to recover subscriber email to re-create a deleted groups.io group?
On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 02:27 PM, Deane wrote:
A group called [email protected]?was created to help people deal with Verizon destroying 20 years worth of daily data of hundreds of thousands of people and the person who create that list?bruce.bowman@...?decided to delete it this morning without any warning or even asking.No, it was not.? That group was always intended to be a temporary forum for people to let off steam about the Yahoo Groups shutdown...mainly so such posts did not pollute GMF and beta. Now that the tide has turned on that, it stands to reason that it is no longer serving any purpose...there have been no posts to the group for the past 8 days. Does groups.io have any rules about treating group members respectfully with advanced notice when a group owner decides to delete a group without warning??A message saying that the group was going to be deleted was posted on December 20. Until now, no one has mounted a serious objection.? Is there any way the people who subscribed to that group can be recovered?No. This is very upsetting and a terrible thing to do to archivists who are already grieving the loss of so much community data.This comment is incomprehensible. The group contained no archival data from Yahoo Groups, nor any truly valuable information.? Is there anything that can be done? If I had known this was going to happen I'd of done all I can to deal with it but got totally blindsided and no longer have the email addressed of the people in that group. Can anything be done??No. The group owner owns the group and can do with it what he wants to. If you want a group that better meets your needs, there is nothing keeping you from starting your own. Failing that, consider joining?. It seems to have a similar goals and substantially more permanence (started in 2015). Regards, Bruce |
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Is it possible to recover subscriber email to re-create a deleted groups.io group?
Hi folks...?
A group called [email protected]?was created to help people deal with Verizon destroying 20 years worth of daily data of hundreds of thousands of people and the person who create that list?bruce.bowman@...?decided to delete it this morning without any warning or even asking. Does groups.io have any rules about treating group members respectfully with advanced notice when a group owner decides to delete a group without warning?? Is there any way the people who subscribed to that group can be recovered? This is very upsetting and a terrible thing to do to archivists who are already grieving the loss of so much community data. Is there anything that can be done? If I had known this was going to happen I'd of done all I can to deal with it but got totally blindsided and no longer have the email addressed of the people in that group. Can anything be done?? Please help!? Deane |
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Re: Bounced and bouncing members
On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 08:16 AM, M. A. Gormez wrote:
I want to know the difference between bounced (red B) and bouncing (blue B) members.Michel -- Red B means groups.io has given up attempting to send emails to that address. See the system help (/static/help#bouncing) for details. Bruce |
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Re: Email merge
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Re: Define terms
Michael,
"Subscriber" is an email address that has not logged in to a Groups.ioIn Groups.io there is no distinction between a subscriber that has logged in to the site and one that hasn't yet. Hence Subscriber and Member as you've described them are the same. This stems from the fact that creating the subscription caused the automatic creation of a corresponding account for that email address, if there wasn't one already. And with the account came the ability to log in - whether the person has done so yet or not is purely circumstantial (and inconsequential). STATUS is another further user definition:I don't think you're adding clarity by lumping together as Status many different types of things. "Not Confirmed", "Bouncing",Those two (along with "Bounced") are user Statuses, they apply to the email address across all of its subscriptions, and are applied to the address by the system. "Pending Approval", "Banned";Those two are (non)member Statuses. They apply to a specific address in a specific group based on the settings of the group and the actions (or inactions) of its moderators. "Moderated", "New User Moderated", "Cannot Post", Moderate First",These are Posting Privileges, assigned to the subscription by the group moderators, or in the case of New User Moderated, by a group setting. "Following only", "Following Only w/ First MessageThese are Messages Selection options. They apply to each subscription and are under the subscriber's control as well as the moderators. It seems many questions are caused by it not being clear if an emailI don't see how that's relevant to a group moderator. Any given member might log in or out at any given moment, on one or more devices. Myself, I'm typically logged in at all times on three devices - my phone, laptop, and desktop. But at a given moment I might be asleep or otherwise not paying attention to those devices. Every term should be explained when hovered over or at least have aThe top of the Help page has a short glossary. You could suggest additions to it, or write a Glossary page for GMF's wiki. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: yG Privacy Dashboard download
#yahooprivacydashboard
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On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 12:15 AM, Bryan Jones wrote:
I've set the new user as unmoderated for both the subgroup first address in fromto.txt must be unmoderatedDownload memberlist.csv again. If again the same error message then email me the line from memberlist.csv with that email address. -- Lena |
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Define terms
Unfortunately we can't rely on everyone intuiting every term to mean the same thing.
The more terms are used with different meanings, greater miscommunication is likely. All terms should have one distinct meaning (not multiple meanings). If we all use the same terms to mean the same thing, less confusion and misunderstanding should occur. The lower the level of technical understanding is presumed (and therefore accommodated), the more users will understand Groups.io and the more successful it can be. It is confusing to many that the words "subscriber" and "member" are used interchangeably.But it brings up the question of what is a subscriber versus not a EMAIL ADDRESSES (users) There are three different ways email addresses (people) are involved with Groups.io I propose these 3 definitions (as a start): "Account Holder" is an email address registered with Groups.io "Subscriber" is an email address that has not logged in to a Groups.io group (interacts with email) (All group Subscribers are also Groups.io Account Holders) "Member" is an email address that has logged in to a Groups.io group (All group Members are also group Subscribers and Groups.io Account Holders) ROLE is a further user definition: "Role" (Group Role) as viewed at a Group's Member List currently can be "Member", "Moderator", or "Owner". STATUS is another further user definition: "Not Confirmed", "Pending Approval", "Bouncing", "Banned"; "Moderated", "New User Moderated", "Cannot Post", Moderate First", "Moderate Topics", "Following only", "Following Only w/ First Message Also", and "Auto Follow Replies" are Statuses It seems many questions are caused by it not being clear if an email address is not logged in or not (or its status), (and many others are caused by not knowing which email address is in use) perhaps "Member" should be changed to "Subscriber" when that email address is not logged in, so that Moderators (with view Member List privileges) and Owners can recognize the distinction, and may be better able to help. It could also be useful to designate whether a Moderator or Owner is not logged in. Their Role could then be noted in a different color (grayed out?) or as "subModerator" and "subOwner" OR "sub Moderator" and "sub Owner"... Every term should be explained when hovered over or at least have a WIKI entry. (Account Holder, Subscriber, Member; Role, Moderator, Owner; Home, Subscription, Admin, Pending, Members (in the group page's left column should be Member Lists?), Invite, Integrations, Settings, Promote, Subgroups, Activity, Upgrade, Messages, Topics, Hashtags, New Topic, New Poll, Chats, Directory, Calendar, Photos, Files, Databases, Wiki; Account, User, Preferences, Email Delivery, Signature, Advanced Preferences, Notifications; Status, "Not Confirmed", "Pending Approval", "Bouncing", "Banned"; "Moderated", "New User Moderated", "Cannot Post", Moderate First", "Moderate Topics", "Following only", "Following Only w/ First Message Also", "Auto Follow Replies"; etc, etc) |
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