Re: Problems with Women Writers through the Ages @ Yahoo
Ellen, Could you tell me what is oi forum and Groups.IO world? As I mentioned, Groups.io is a service that competes with Yahoo Groups. Here's some more background information: /static/aboutOn that page follow the link to the Groups.io announcement if you're interested in the history of it. Before proceeding I need more information as well as detailed
instructions on how to. The instructions available through the transfer link are pretty detailed. Let us know what questions you have after reading them: /static/transferOne thing I should have mentioned is that the "transfer" process makes no changes to your Yahoo Group. If you decide to transfer your group you should let your Yahoo Group members know what you're about to do. Otherwise the only thing they'll see is the "welcome" message from Groups.io, and that may confuse them if you haven't told them to expect it. Shal
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Re: Problems with Women Writers through the Ages @ Yahoo
Ellen, your group is not the only group experiencing this
problem.
I have at least two groups that I know of that are having the
same thing.
It started out Monday morning for me, the two groups that I see
this happening on were still sending me notices that there were
messages to approve, as late as Monday morning, two days ago.
But, when I approved them, nothing went through the groups.
Now, as of yesterday morning, I am not receiving any notices of
pending messages.
I attempted to send messages to the groups myself, again
nothing.? No notices of pending messages and nothing showing
pending messages on the websites of the groups.
I attempted to post messages from the websites of the groups,
again nothing.
I sent messages to the -owner addresses of both groups, again
nothing.
The groups are normally quite active, so I am sure I have a lot
of members who are seriously wondering what has happened to all my
moderators.
Marlin
On 11/22/2017 5:44 AM, Ellen Moody
wrote:
I am wondering if anyone can help me and the people on my
Women Writers through the Ages listserv at Yahoo. We are now
in the third day, more than 48 hours, of no messages coming
into or being sent from this listserv. I have tried all I can
to? reach someone at Yahoo, but the "help" material is not
designed for me to reach anyone with power to help. None of
the suggestions made are pertinent as I am the listowner. I
know to do all that is suggested: refresh browser, clean
cache.
Sincerely,
Ellen Moody
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Re: Problems with Women Writers through the Ages @ Yahoo
I have answered. Could you tell me what is oi forum and Groups.IO world? I know nothing about it -- and I thought this was a yahoo listserv, and now see it's a Group.io list. Before proceeding I need more information as well as detailed instructions on how to.
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Ellen
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Re: Changing the wording of messages and pages
newcastle.ramblers, However, I have not been able to find a way to change the
text at the bottom of every message:
/Groups.io Links:/ As Sarah mentioned you can add your own content to the footer. But there is no way to alter the standard Groups.io footer content. For announcement groups, all of these are irrelevant except: I think the only ones that are actually irrelevent are Reply To Sender, Reply To Group, and New Topic. The first two will create an email message which will bounce back from an Announcement Only group, the third would take a member to a page they can't access. That sounds like a good suggestion to make in beta@ - remove those three items from the footer if the group is set to Announcement Group. On the web site, people are presented with a big page and lots of
options. ...
Is it possible to have a link which just adds them to the group with
All Messages instead of giving them all these options. I haven't followed an Invite link lately, so I'm not sure what all is there (a screen shot would have been handy). I don't believe there are any group owner controls to change the content of the Invite landing page. That would be another thing that would have to be taken up as a suggestion in the beta group. Shal
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Re: Problems with Women Writers through the Ages @ Yahoo
I could not have said this better myself and I totally agree.
Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@...
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On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, Shal Farley wrote: Ellen,
I am wondering if anyone can help me and the people on my Women
Writers through the Ages listserv at Yahoo. You've posted about this problem in GMF's sister group at Yahoo, so hopefully you know from reading the other messages there that your group is not alone in having that problem recently.
I have tried all I can to reach someone at Yahoo, but the "help"
material is not designed for me to reach anyone with power to help. And you should also know from the messages there that Yahoo's Customer Care no longer supports Yahoo Groups, and hasn't for some time. So the answer basically is that they'll either fix it or they won't.
The listserv is a small group of friends and we miss one another. So, now that you've visited a group on Groups.io, a service that competes with Yahoo, perhaps the time is ripe for your group to jump ship, as all of my active groups have.
Come on in, the water's warm. We'll give you what advice we can on setting up your new group here and having your members and content copied over from Yahoo.
/static/transfer
Shal
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Re: Problems with Women Writers through the Ages @ Yahoo
Ellen Moody posts many posts to her own lists and I suspect she has been posting and they have not been posted to the list archives and members.
Ellen, have you tried to post from the web home page of the list rather than via email as this sometimes will work. Also is your email address accepted by Yahoo, they sometimes block emails for issues like bouncing and the email does not have to be bouncing for this reason. It would be a very good idea to back this list up on Groups.IO and have the archives and membership transferred. One certainly does not have the problem of reaching a human being in the Groups.IO world. One person, Mark, runs circles around the Yahoo, Oath, Verizon megalith "competition" in the world of groups.
Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@...
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On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, The Surferr wrote: Ellen
It may not have anything to do with Yahoo as it may simply be that no one is
interested in the group especially at this time of year and it does take awhile to
build up a group. I would suggest you redo the title and capitalize the W for writers
as Womenwriters does not look as good as Women Writers would. Also try to attach your
group URL to other groups comments section. Remember Advertise Advertise Advertise is
the only way.
Steve ?
On 22 November 2017 at 06:44, Ellen Moody <ellen.moody@...> wrote:
I am wondering if anyone can help me and the people on my Women Writers
through the Ages listserv at Yahoo. We are now in the third day, more
than 48 hours, of no messages coming into or being sent from this
listserv. I have tried all I can to? reach someone at Yahoo, but the
"help" material is not designed for me to reach anyone with power to
help. None of the suggestions made are pertinent as I am the listowner. I
know to do all that is suggested: refresh browser, clean cache.
Here is the URL of the listserv:
Here is the email:
WomenwritersThroughTheAges@...
The listserv is a small group of friends and we miss one another. It's
supportive and we read together and discuss books and movies by women.
Sincerely,
Ellen Moody
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Re: Problems with Women Writers through the Ages @ Yahoo
Oh I see . Transfer. I've thought of it for this group. Let me look at it later today. Thank you for the advice and showing me these forums. Ellen
On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote: Ellen,
> I am wondering if anyone can help me and the people on my Women
> Writers through the Ages listserv at Yahoo.
You've posted about this problem in GMF's sister group at Yahoo, so hopefully you know from reading the other messages there that your group is not alone in having that problem recently.
> I have tried all I can to? reach someone at Yahoo, but the "help"
> material is not designed for me to reach anyone with power to help.
And you should also know from the messages there that Yahoo's Customer Care no longer supports Yahoo Groups, and hasn't for some time. So the answer basically is that they'll either fix it or they won't.
> The listserv is a small group of friends and we miss one another.
So, now that you've visited a group on Groups.io, a service that competes with Yahoo, perhaps the time is ripe for your group to jump ship, as all of my active groups have.
Come on in, the water's warm. We'll give you what advice we can on setting up your new group here and having your members and content copied over from Yahoo.
/static/transfer
Shal
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Re: Problems with Women Writers through the Ages @ Yahoo
Ellen, I am wondering if anyone can help me and the people on my Women
Writers through the Ages listserv at Yahoo. You've posted about this problem in GMF's sister group at Yahoo, so hopefully you know from reading the other messages there that your group is not alone in having that problem recently. I have tried all I can to reach someone at Yahoo, but the "help"
material is not designed for me to reach anyone with power to help. And you should also know from the messages there that Yahoo's Customer Care no longer supports Yahoo Groups, and hasn't for some time. So the answer basically is that they'll either fix it or they won't. The listserv is a small group of friends and we miss one another. So, now that you've visited a group on Groups.io, a service that competes with Yahoo, perhaps the time is ripe for your group to jump ship, as all of my active groups have. Come on in, the water's warm. We'll give you what advice we can on setting up your new group here and having your members and content copied over from Yahoo. /static/transferShal
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Re: Problems with Women Writers through the Ages @ Yahoo
Ellen
It may not have anything to do with Yahoo as it may simply be that no one is interested in the group especially at this time of year and it does take awhile to build up a group. I would suggest you redo the title and capitalize the W for writers as Womenwriters does not look as good as Women Writers would. Also try to attach your group URL to other groups comments section. Remember Advertise Advertise Advertise is the only way. Steve ?
On 22 November 2017 at 06:44, Ellen Moody <ellen.moody@...> wrote: I am wondering if anyone can help me and the people on my Women Writers through the Ages listserv at Yahoo. We are now in the third day, more than 48 hours, of no messages coming into or being sent from this listserv. I have tried all I can to? reach someone at Yahoo, but the "help" material is not designed for me to reach anyone with power to help. None of the suggestions made are pertinent as I am the listowner. I know to do all that is suggested: refresh browser, clean cache.
Here is the URL of the listserv:
Here is the email:
The listserv is a small group of friends and we miss one another. It's supportive and we read together and discuss books and movies by women.
Sincerely, Ellen Moody
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Re: Problems with Women Writers through the Ages @ Yahoo
Have you confirmed that people are sending messages? My lists tend to go dead on holidays.
Sharon
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On Nov 22, 2017, at 6:44 AM, Ellen Moody <ellen.moody@...> wrote:
I am wondering if anyone can help me and the people on my Women Writers through the Ages listserv at Yahoo. We are now in the third day, more than 48 hours, of no messages coming into or being sent from this listserv. I have tried all I can to reach someone at Yahoo, but the "help" material is not designed for me to reach anyone with power to help. None of the suggestions made are pertinent as I am the listowner. I know to do all that is suggested: refresh browser, clean cache.
Here is the URL of the listserv:
Here is the email:
WomenwritersThroughTheAges@...
The listserv is a small group of friends and we miss one another. It's supportive and we read together and discuss books and movies by women.
Sincerely,
Ellen Moody
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Re: Requiring email addresses
I have that disabled for my groups. You are only allowed to post to the group on the website, you may not reply to all, or do a private reply. Now in the email interface you can as you can see the people who are in the thread. This actually came in handy as someone forgot to put their email in the mesage and I needed to write to them to get a voiceover script to work on this weekend for a project they need by Sunday so that came in handy. But no, if you are using the website like a forum, all other options are disabled. As I want to see everybody who replies.
Take care and have a happy wednesday
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On Nov 21, 2017, at 1:27 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Richard,
... (unless there is a private messaging facility, which groups.io
sadly lacks ... There is, sort-of, for a loose meaning of the word private.
If you click on Reply under a member's post there is a "Private" button over to the right. Clicking that will change a default "Reply to Group" into a "Reply to Sender".
A member can use that without knowledge of the other member's email address, but one caveat and one loophole:
1) The replying member's email address is exposed in the From field of the message sent to the original poster. Same as it would have been in a group message. With an anonymity feature I'd have to assume some other address would be there.
2) The loophole: if the replying member checks the "BCC me" box, the BCC they get will expose the original poster's email address in the To field. With an anonymity feature I think the BCC field would need to be used for both addressees, to avoid revealing the original poster's email address to the replying member.
... though I'd be very surprised if it hasn't been discussed
extensively before). Right you are, it was extensively discussed in beta@.
Shal
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Re: Changing the wording of messages and pages
If you mean the footer, you can actually type in custom text in the settings under ?under your group, then admin, then settings. I just modified my android list to list resources people could use. For an example look at the group in my sig, although I'm not sure if the new footer will show up on the older messages.?Doubt it. Oh well. I hope one is there for people to see.
Take care and be blessed. For an android list in the making where android apps, accessibility, phones and development can be discussed ?subscribe send a blank email to and follow the prompts. to visit the subgroups ?and subscribe (note you must be subscribed to the main group as well) visit the following URL:
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Hello
I am looking to move several announcement groups from Yahoo to here. These are mostly e-mail announcement lists, with a couple as discussion groups.
The members of the groups are not particularly computer literate, so I am trying to make everything very simple for them, with the minimum of jargon and irrelevant options that confuse them. I was pleased to see that most of 's messages can be customised. However, I have not been able to find a way to change the text at the bottom of every message:
Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. | Reply To Sender | Reply To Group | Mute This Topic |
Contact Group Owner
Terms Of Service
For announcement groups, all of these are irrelevant except:
Reply to Sender (and this is not really necessary as they can reply to the e-mail)
Unsubscribe from group
Contact group owner (perhaps - again, they could just reply to the e-mail)
Is there a way to change the text added to the bottom of messages?
A second question relates to accepting an invitation. There appear to be two options. One is to reply to the message. The other is to accept it on the web site.
On the web site, people are presented with a big page and lots of options. Most of my members would not have a clue what most of them mean, and would probably not click any of them out of confusion.
Is it possible to have a link which just adds them to the group with All Messages instead of giving them all these options.
Thanks
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Problems with Women Writers through the Ages @ Yahoo
I am wondering if anyone can help me and the people on my Women Writers through the Ages listserv at Yahoo. We are now in the third day, more than 48 hours, of no messages coming into or being sent from this listserv. I have tried all I can to? reach someone at Yahoo, but the "help" material is not designed for me to reach anyone with power to help. None of the suggestions made are pertinent as I am the listowner. I know to do all that is suggested: refresh browser, clean cache.
Here is the URL of the listserv:
Here is the email:
The listserv is a small group of friends and we miss one another. It's supportive and we read together and discuss books and movies by women.
Sincerely, Ellen Moody
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Changing the wording of messages and pages
Hello
I am looking to move several announcement groups from Yahoo to here. These are mostly e-mail announcement lists, with a couple as discussion groups.
The members of the groups are not particularly computer literate, so I am trying to make everything very simple for them, with the minimum of jargon and irrelevant options that confuse them.
I was pleased to see that most of groups.io's messages can be customised. However, I have not been able to find a way to change the text at the bottom of every message:
Groups.io Links:
You receive all messages sent to this group.
| Reply To Sender | Reply To Group | Mute This Topic |
Contact Group Owner
Terms Of Service
For announcement groups, all of these are irrelevant except:
Reply to Sender (and this is not really necessary as they can reply to the e-mail)
Unsubscribe from group
Contact group owner (perhaps - again, they could just reply to the e-mail)
Is there a way to change the text added to the bottom of messages?
A second question relates to accepting an invitation. There appear to be two options. One is to reply to the message. The other is to accept it on the web site.
On the web site, people are presented with a big page and lots of options. Most of my members would not have a clue what most of them mean, and would probably not click any of them out of confusion.
Is it possible to have a link which just adds them to the group with All Messages instead of giving them all these options.
Thanks
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Re: Requiring email addresses
Richard, ... (unless there is a private messaging facility, which groups.io
sadly lacks ... There is, sort-of, for a loose meaning of the word private. If you click on Reply under a member's post there is a "Private" button over to the right. Clicking that will change a default "Reply to Group" into a "Reply to Sender". A member can use that without knowledge of the other member's email address, but one caveat and one loophole: 1) The replying member's email address is exposed in the From field of the message sent to the original poster. Same as it would have been in a group message. With an anonymity feature I'd have to assume some other address would be there. 2) The loophole: if the replying member checks the "BCC me" box, the BCC they get will expose the original poster's email address in the To field. With an anonymity feature I think the BCC field would need to be used for both addressees, to avoid revealing the original poster's email address to the replying member. ... though I'd be very surprised if it hasn't been discussed
extensively before). Right you are, it was extensively discussed in beta@. Shal
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Re: Member list vs. member directory
Ok thanks, I¡¯ve done that. ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of J_Catlady
Sent: 21 November 2017 15:51
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Member list vs. member directory? On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 05:00 am, Richard L King wrote: I'll add my wish list of things I'd like to see in groups.io related to this thread:
I think this is so comprehensive and straightforward that you should repeat this wishlist to the beta group, which is the place for new feature suggestions. Some of these have been discussed there ad infinitum and some are even on the Trello todo list. If you do that, I (and probably others) will comment there on the individual items. For example, #4 is something I broached long ago and I believe is on the Todo list. A version of #1 (which was going by the name of "Private Groups" for awhile in the beta group - you can search on it) was also discussed ad infinitum, and Mark was even working on implementing it as an option for enterprise groups at one point (except for the option for group owners not to have access to the info - doubt you would get very many takers there). Etc.
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NextDoor, YahooGroups, Google
Not meaning to undermine you group here, but have you checked out Nextdoor? The specialize in neighborhood (geographically defined) groups. One cannot be anonymous there either.
I only mention them because Gordon Strause, former Product Manager for Yahoo Groups, went to Nextdoor when he left Yahoo. In my opinion he was one of the "good guys" from YG's golden age. And I like what they've done over at Nextdoor.
When NextDoor started someone called me repeatedly to get me to join. I didn¡¯t for several reasons. They were pushing security and guaranteeing that no one would be on the list unless they were guaranteed to be real neighbors. They had the neighborhoods drawn by their own definitions, which doesn¡¯t work because people form their own neighborhoods. Some people are on our list to keep in touch but they live elsewhere now. Some relate to this neighborhood more than an adjacent one so they are on our list. We don¡¯t restrict membership, only the topics ¡ªwe don¡¯t discuss politics in other neighborhoods, for example. We don¡¯t list classes in other neighborhoods unless a member specifically wants to recommend them. So the lack of democracy and the narrowness of the focus are uninteresting to me. I also felt that the narrowness of focus is really so they can market more specifically. It just gives the marketing people more information on demographics and changing demographics over time. It felt like another commercial guinea pig opportunity. Aside from an excellent and continually improving service, what I like about Groups.io is that it has a business plan based on providing services, not on selling information or tacking on ads everywhere. As a provider, that makes Groups.io more attractive because it has the features a group might need as it grows. The features are there if we need them. In addition to horror stories about Yahoo, there are stories about Google. My cohousing community started a wiki on GoogleSites to keep track of facilities issues. It was a huge success with members loving it who didn¡¯t even like email, much less use computers. People in their 70s with no online experience would enter information frequently about HVAC repairs, serial numbers, warranties, reports from service people ¡ªon everything. Then comes the little known fact ¡ª sites are limited to 1MB of information. We are at 99%, there is no ability to buy more storage, and no ability to easily transfer the information elsewhere ¡ª like to Groups.io. We will have to move all the minutes of meetings to our website to make room for the chronological recordings of wiki info. Bad because now people have to search in two places to be sure to have all the information. So I¡¯m leery of a lot of "free¡± online stuff. Sharon ---- Sharon Villines Takoma Village Cohousing, Washington DC
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Re: Member list vs. member directory
On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 05:00 am, Richard L King wrote:
I'll add my wish list of things I'd like to see in groups.io related to this thread:
I think this is so comprehensive and straightforward that you should repeat this wishlist to the beta group, which is the place for new feature suggestions. Some of these have been discussed there ad infinitum and some are even on the Trello todo list. If you do that, I (and probably others) will comment there on the individual items. For example, #4 is something I broached long ago and I believe is on the Todo list. A version of #1 (which was going by the name of "Private Groups" for awhile in the beta group - you can search on it) was also discussed ad infinitum, and Mark was even working on implementing it as an option for enterprise groups at one point (except for the option for group owners not to have access to the info - doubt you would get very many takers there). Etc. ? -- J
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Re: Member list vs. member directory
Shal Sorry, I didn't intend to add any more to this topic but I just want to clarify something that was a misunderstanding on my part. I am (and always was) perfectly happy with the distinction between the member list and the member directory, and with the fig-leafing of email addresses. But one thing that caught my attention was your statement in message #2626 that the Member list includes member's subscription information, and in particular shows their email addresses.
I suspect most groups would restrict this list to moderators for privacy reasons. On initial reading this seemed to me to be an overstatement, but re-reading it, I realise that you're not suggesting that the distinction between the lists is a privacy feature per se, but simply that not making the member list accessible to all is a useful privacy practice in many groups, which I entirely agree with. Just for the record, I'll add my wish list of things I'd like to see in groups.io related to this thread: 1. Members to be able to state in their profile that they wish to remain anonymous, meaning that other members (even moderators and owners) cannot discover their email address by any means. [I realise of course that there will always be some people who have complete access to everything, particularly those who run and maintain the databases, but they are not normal members and one has to presume that they are trustworthy.] 2. A group-level policy option that all members are to remain anonymous in this way. 3. A means for members to contact other members privately without needing to know their email address. 4. A means for members to declare that they do not want to be contacted privately under any circumstances. 5. Overriding 4, a means for moderators to contact members regardless of their preference, again without needing to know the member's email address. Having said that, with 40+ years of professional software development under my belt, I'm well aware of the difficulties of keeping a very large and diverse user base happy and prioritising their enhancement requests, and also of the effort involved in such developments. I have to say Mark and his team have done a brilliant job so far (I presume he does have at least a small team? If not I'm even more impressed!). Richard
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Re: Requiring email addresses
My list that had 33,000 members when it was on Yahoo was a technical support group for an online broker's application programming interface: this is something that enables people to develop financial trading software (both personal and corporate). It is of huge interest to people around the globe.
I've never met a single person from that list (and probably never will), I know nothing about them except what comes across in their posts (which of course reveals a lot about them in general terms!), for the most part I have no idea where they live, and in general I have absolutely no reason to need their email addresses.
However there are occasions where people want to contact each other off list, for example further to discuss an issue that has arisen that's off topic for the list itself, and this can be tricky in a list where people can hide (unless there is a private messaging facility, which groups.io sadly lacks - though I'd be very surprised if it hasn't been discussed extensively before).
Richard
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of Sharon Villines Sent: 21 November 2017 00:31 To: [email protected]Subject: [GMF] Requiring email addresses I can¡¯t imagine a list with anonymous members posting. I have a 3,000 member neighborhood list and it starts a big row if people don¡¯t sign their emails and indicate the street on which they live. (We have government agency posters who list titles and offices.) I think if people want to lurk, that¡¯s fine, but if they post we should know who is posting. Many members have been living here for 40 years and know everyone. If someone sets up a gmail address and starts posting things as Patsy on 5th, it doesn¡¯t last long. Particularly if they are snarky or endorsing political candidates. Sharon ---- Sharon Villines [email protected]
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