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Dan,

Thanks for sharing!? I too had done this as well with another OpenSource FREE software.? The YG file sizes were up to 6Mb to 8Mb in size.? Total on YG Photos was 696Mb.? After the resize from 3072 down to 1024 to retain the photo quality, the file sizes averaged from 124Kb to 200Kb.? And yes, some dropped to like 68Kb.? Overall after all the resize, the total became about 156Mb for all the photos.?

With our group on the free GIO plan at this time, keeping the 1Gb limit had to be achieved.

Glad you are self-minded to control the limits too.? Thanks for posting!

BMaverick

Latest information I found (as of Dec 9 2019 @ 0700 CST), now that the YG exodus is mostly complete:
Group Member ID: 7,195,553
Site Member ID: 3,954,093
Visible Groups: 21,558

If anyone has joined a recently created, unlisted group and can look for the information Lena noted, that might give us a better figure for the total number of groups, /g/GroupManagersForum/message/6219

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On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 02:03 AM, dan mulholland wrote:

Wanted? to share my? experience dealing with photos.

Thanks for giving a detailed view of this option. :)
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On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 04:06 AM, Cal wrote:

Is there a document or post, with details on how to get the pieces uploaded en masse, from a Yahoo data download into the messages, files, photos sections of a new GIO group?

Not a lot.? You may want to investigate the topic at /g/GroupManagersForum/topic/37953856, specifically /g/GroupManagersForum/message/22251 for information about uploading the messages.? Files and Photos should be pretty straightforward.

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How about if I build a database with images in my group and then Export the whole group......will the images then appear in the reconstructed database? ?And, if so, how could I read that file?

Chuck

Is there a document or post, with details on how to get the pieces uploaded en masse, from a Yahoo data download into the messages, files, photos sections of a new GIO group?

Don,

I've been wondering why attachments can not be transferred. Is there
some technical problem associated with them?

I believe it has something to do with their somewhat tortured history in Yahoo Groups. At various times:

1) They were stored along with the message and counted against your message storage quota. (circa 2003)

2) The quota for message content was eliminated, but attachments were no longer stored. They did pass through to members in individual emails (not digests).

3) The groups photo section got a major upgrade and its storage quota upped to 100 GB (while files remained at 100 MB). (Jan 2009)

4) The groups gained an option to store attachmentns on site, passing a link to the on-site copy in the emailed messages (individual and digest). If stored, attachments were were now stored in the same pool as Photos, counting against the same quota. Or the group could continue passing attachments through to to members on individual messages without storing them. (Feb 2009)

The bottom line is that Yahoo Groups, if your group is set to store them, keeps them in a separate pool of storage from the message content. If you've received a getmydata download from Yahoo you'll find that the mbox file(s) containing group messages have placeholders in them where the attachment(s) to a message should have been.

There is a separate folder named photos_and_attachments, reflecting their combined storage, but in few of my group downloads does that folder actually contain any attachments, even for those groups where I've had them set to store on site since the option first became available.

Your Mileage May Vary.

All that said, PG Offline seems to manage to get them, at least some of the time. Some of my groups' downloads have messages that have links to attachments, but there is no corresponding Attachments folder for that group and the links do nothing.

At least one of those groups (the original Y!GMF) has an abundance of both photos and message attachments stored on site. Why neither getmydata nor PG Offline downloaded any of either of them is a mystery.

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I get the same error sometimes and I use Gmail - not Outlook.

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Rick,

I'm confused. Do I set up a database, topic, category for a monthly
repository of a *newsletter* from another org?

If one can subscribe to those newsletters such that they are delivered by email, you could try using an email integration to post the newsletters into your group.

The question then is whether you can get the newsletter source to accept the integration email address for a subscription.

You can set the Integration to be moderated or not, your choice. Probably best to start with it set to moderated, so that if the newsletter source begins by sending a confirmation request or other "getting started" messages you catch them in the Pending list rather than have them go out to group members.

I have created hashtags such as #newsAfrica.

You can set the integration to add that Hashtag to the newsletters posted through that address.

I want to avoid lumping all postings to the group in one "dump".

I'm not quite sure what you mean by that, but having that hashtag attached to each newsletter posting will allow members to seek them out (via the Hashtags page) or Mute them or Follow them.

As you may have noticed when creating hashtags, there are a lot of options you can apply to topics tagged with a given hashtag.
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Jennifer,

However, when using her smart phone - photos on groups.io are not
visible. A note comes up that her yahoo email is not registered.

I've had good results using the "Email Link To Log In" method to log in on my android phone. I use the default Gmail app, with its built-in web browser, clicking on a link in a message to get to the group.

It is important that she log in using the same email address that is subscribed to your group. She can find that address at the bottom of the footer of any individual or digest message she receives from the group.

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Spica Speakers Group,

Since I have successfully exported and downloaded my Yahoo group, can
you import from my downloaded file or do you need to make a direct
connection as outlined in the FAQ?

The formal mechanism required a direct copy from the Yahoo Group.

However Mark has indicated they can import message content in mbox file format, likely requiring the same $220 upgrade to Premium Yearly. I believe the Yahoo getmydata download is in the correct mbox format.


The alternatives are Lena's program (free) to re-post mbox downloads, and Wilson's planned PGO-2-GIO program ($50 and up) to re-post PGO downloads. Both suffer the defect that the reposted messages appear under the From address of the person doing the reposting, and at the current date, rather than the original From address and message Date.

okay to be "honest" the owner made me a moderator 6+ years ago and has
since disappeared. All attempts to reach him have thus far failed.

I'd say your position as moderator qualifies you to make this decision on behalf of your group's members, no less than the mods who happen to have the privilege to promote the transfer agent.

I'm not as concerned about potential legal challenges to moving a group to Groups.io. I think that line was crossed when Groups.io decided to create the transfer process in the first place. Accomplishing it by other means does not seem (to me) to change why or how a plaintiff would lodge the complaint nor how Groups.io would handle it.

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All,

Wanted? to share my? experience dealing with photos.? For our migration from Yahoo, I? didn't have the photos included.? Why? Because the pictures ran from 8Kb to 6Mb, and, in the new regime, I wanted to save space and use resources efficiently.? So, I worked from downloaded files, downsizing them before upload.? I used a free utility, .?? I found that setting the size (the first setting) at 100%, and the file size (a sliding bar) at 240K worked pretty well most of the? time.? In this way, I could process a folder/directory of photos of mixed file size, so it would ignore the small ones and compress the big ones.? Going from a 2 or 3 Mb photo to a 240kb? or less photo did not impact the? quality very? much.? I estimate that about 2/3 of the? pictures were already "small".

The bulkresizephotos? application does not (they say) upload and process the pictures; rather it runs a job on your machine and places the? results in your brouser defined downloads file in a .zip format. Very? fast. ? The software appears to react to? settings? in the order you make them.? Some of the? time, rather? than setting a file size limit, I chose 100% size and 1024X768 for size.? This seemed to? have about the same results as the other.??

I did a copy and paste from the downloaded file name to the groups.io album name, cleaning up as I went.? Groups.io sorts/arranges albums? by upload date/time only.?? I'm? dealing with 1940's to 1960's jeeps and wagons (willystech), so, to the extent possible, I used the order they? were sorted by my computer- numbers first, then? alphabetical, to be the upload order. I don't like that my name is displayed ast he uploader of all of the albums and pictures.? I? could have monkeyed around with another email address and name to change it to "Archive" or similar, could still do this.? Also, there is a list of names? and email addresses? provided by Groups.io, so you can't enter anything that's not a name or entry in the directory. ? I only know a few of the correct names or addresses associated with? albums. ? I don't know if this was handled better by the the groups.io migration process.

Alternatively, I could have migrated the? pictures, and then deleted the big ones and replace with smaller ones- Kb and Mb I mean, using a screen shot application- Preview in the Mac world- but I don't know how I could put replacement pictures back in album in the same place they were.? Most of the time this would not be important.

I have all the files "shrunk" ready? to upload; I've uploaded over half of them.? The users are just thrilled to have a working system again, I don't know if they care about all the old pictures or not.??? Getting there.?? A lot of work, fun to see all the pictures? though.

Dan

On 12/8/2019 9:38 PM, BMaverick wrote:

Join the PGO web forum and send Wilson a PM on how to make payment for the PGO software.? It's one of the quickest ways to reach him.
BMaverick

Wilson posted earlier today that he's on this list:

/g/GroupManagersForum/message/25693

He said "Speak to me here… I’m listening."

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Droxine,

This may be a stupid question, but re: YG download packet - are they
backing up all the groups you were subscribed to (not just the one/s
you own)?

Yes.

The download includes all groups of which you are a member, mod or owner.

It does not appear to contain complete content of Files, Photos, or Attachements (at least in my downloads) but it does appear to be complete for the mbox files of messages.

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Paul,

What is the trick or methods to get the GIO homepage to show up on Google.? I've not had any success getting that to even happen.? The old YG shows up just fine.? bummer.

BMaverick

Don Hellen wrote:
Funny that you mention this, but you could set up a Yahoo group after
Dec 14. After that, they will be no longer host the message archives.
I believe you will have to receive all posts by email after then and
won't be able to read them on the group site anymore.

New members would not be able to see the old posts, so that would seem
to meet your objectives. Older members would have the prior messages
in their email program if they choose to save them.

Donald

You could also start a free forum at Proboards.com. They also simply forward mail and keep no archives.

Larry

Dennis,

Join the PGO web forum and send Wilson a PM on how to make payment for the PGO software.? It's one of the quickest ways to reach him.

BMaverick

Ronaldo,

BTW as to "reposting policy"....Does not ticking the box mean that no
repostings are allowed at all, as in, double posts (accidental or
intentional) will not get passed-on?

It does not mean that.

Checking the box adds an item to the More menu that allows a member to repost their message:


It has no effect on posts made by email, nor even posts made via web using the New Topic or Reply features.

It is primarily intended for groups that allow selling or giving away items: a repost in such a group would be appropriate for an item that didn't sell or for which there are more available.

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Dano, Shal, Gerald,

Shal I did your suggestion and had a look at the activity log.? No there was no option to search specifically for deleted msgs, but I scanned about 3 years down.? It was even more of a pain, because there were no "next" buttons; I had to plug in new dates after scanning each page.? Anyway, I found only 3 deleted msgs in 3 years, 2 were my own deletions for mistakes, one other by a member.? I stopped there, as I don't think the first 2 years will yield much different results.? If anyone left in disgust taking their messages with them, I would think it would have been in the more recent years, when the group was slowing down and petering out.? But I appreciate the suggestion, Dano and Shal.? The investigation validated what I remember.

Emma,

Sadly, I'm having the login failure over at PGO you warned me about.? I wrote Wilson (developer) about it, and can post his response if you or anyone is interested.? It got a bit complicated.? He did offer his personal assistance in doing it for me if I couldn't figure it out, which I will no doubt end up doing.? Going to try one more time to restart it up first.? If you want to write him directly, use info@...

Anyone,

This may be a stupid question, but re: YG download packet - are they backing up all the groups you were subscribed to (not just the one/s you own)?? Because I found msgs from a different group than the one I own.? Some of these groups were massive - I have all their posts and files now?? (Haven't had a program or time to go through everything yet, just opened a few posts in wordpad).

Thanks,

Droxine

On 12/8/2019 6:33 PM, Duane wrote:

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 05:21 PM, Bill Burns wrote:
That would suggest that the number of groups hosted here had also
doubled (approximately) in that period.
I would interpret that to mean the number of members had doubled, not the number of groups.? That would jibe with the figures I mentioned for site members.
Duane

I would too, but on the assumption that with so many thousands of groups, the average number of members per group is statistically similar between the existing and new cohorts, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that the number of groups is also about double.

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