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JMichaelTX,

I'm not sure if you are referring to Yahoo or groups.io storage limit.

In this topic I've only been referring to Yahoo Group sizes and limits.

My understanding is that the storage limits for each *groups.io plan*
apply to the total of everything other than messages. (but images and
attachments in messages are included in the limits).

That is my understanding as well.

The 100 GB that Shal mentioned is for the Enterprise Plan.

That's a numeric coincidence. I was referring to Yahoo Group Photos (including Attachments, as it happens).

Shal

On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 04:01 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

For Message Attachments I'm not sure. My understanding is that they count towards the same 100 GB limit as Photos, but I don't see a place to find out their size, nor do I know if they are included in the size shown for Photos.

I'm not sure if you are referring to Yahoo or groups.io storage limit.? So, just to be clear for Martyn and other readers:

My understanding is that the storage limits for each groups.io plan apply to the total of everything other than messages. (but images and attachments in messages are included in the limits).

?

The 100 GB that Shal mentioned is for the Enterprise Plan.

The other plans provide very limited storage:

?

?

Plan	Basic Free	Premium	Enterprise
Storage	1GB	10GB	100GB

Duane,

I don't know how current the information is, but
says attachments are
stored/counted with files.

Heh, the help page is wrong.

I just tested it and the size of an attachment adds to the Photos quota. That has been true since the "Store on site, send as link" option was first rolled out, so the help page was probably updated, incorrectly, for Neo.

As a Neo-related change they did put the attachments on a tab with Files. So maybe they intended to make them part of the Files allocation but didn't get around to it, just as they never got around to expanding Files allocation to match Photo's 100 GB. Making Attachments subject to that old 100 MB limit would have been a substantial downgrade.

Shal

I don't know how current the information is, but says attachments are stored/counted with files.

Duane

Martyn,

... I'd would like to know if it is possible to find the total
storage requirement of the Yahoo group - at present all I can see is
the size allocated to files - not images or posts.

Posts (the message texts) are not counted against one's storage allocation, on either Yahoo Groups or Groups.io.

For Photos go to the Photos section then switch to Albums. It will show your usage at the top (below the tabs, but above the first row of albums).

For Message Attachments I'm not sure. My understanding is that they count towards the same 100 GB limit as Photos, but I don't see a place to find out their size, nor do I know if they are included in the size shown for Photos.

Shal

I'm considering transferring some Yahoo Groups into Groups.io but, cognisant of the Groups.io hosting charges,?I'd would like to know if it is possible to find the total storage requirement of the Yahoo group - at present all I can see is the size allocated to files - not images or posts.?
TIA, Martyn

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 06:03 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

Anyway, this thread that JMichael started (here in GMF) began with his idea of boosting the storage included with each plan. I was more interested in buying an increment of extra storage for my Basic plan groups, at a price below that of going to Premium.

To be clear, I am for both:
? ? Increasing the storage provided with each plan
? ? Option to buy more storage for any plan

Ginny,

I'm not sure that I wasn't hearing discussion about selling storage -
minus the other group functions. That's what I'm trying to clarify.

I may be guilty of sowing some semantic confusion by referring both to "a la carte" options and to whether Mark is or should be in the "cloud storage" business. I never intended either of those to mean storage separate from groups.

Likewise with comments comparing Marks current and hoped-for options prices for storage at other services.

Anyway, this thread that JMichael started (here in GMF) began with his idea of boosting the storage included with each plan. I was more interested in buying an increment of extra storage for my Basic plan groups, at a price below that of going to Premium.

Your thread (over in beta@) is exactly on target with what I had in mind.


Shal

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 04:02 pm, Ginny T. wrote:

I'm not sure that I wasn't hearing discussion about selling storage - minus the other group functions. That's what I'm trying to clarify. My suggestion/request to Mark was about offering add-on storage to basic groups; you need to own a group, and if needed you can purchase extra storage for it. Yes, because it's not resident on the owner's or group members' computer, by semantics it's "cloud" -
I'm clarifying that it's to augment an existing group, not "simply" offering cloud storage to anyone for any purpose.

I have no idea where you could possibly have gotten that idea.
Just to be clear, when I started this topic, it was asking for more storage as part of the overall groups.io service.? You might want to reread my entire OP, if you have any doubts.

From my OP:

While the groups.io service is a good one, IMO the storage limits are way too low, and?the pricing way too high.??

At first I loved the features of groups.io, but now as we are really starting to use it, and to develop a wiki, the storage limits, and corresponding pricing, have given me pause.? Storage is obviously very cheap these days, so the groups.io limits/pricing seem inappropriate to me.? I am concerned about getting started with a wiki, and then running out of storage space.

Please notice how many times I referenced the other features/services provided by groups.io.? I hope that makes things clear.? I have to say I am amazed at the number of times replies in this thread that others have stated things, as if they were facts, that clearly are NOT in my OP.? Please people, before you inject your opinion (which is fine), please read in full the other posts, and make sure your assertions reflect the facts.

It is always better to ask for clarification than to make assertions that are not supported.

Wed, 01 Nov 2017 15:59:02 -0700, "Ginny T." <gttemari21@...>,
wrote:

I'm clarifying that it's to augment an existing group, not "simply" offering cloud storage to anyone for any purpose.

I am at a little loss here, what business is it of a Group.io user if
Mark is selling storage space to anyone.
--
Arno

Not quite -
I'm not sure that I wasn't hearing discussion about selling storage - minus the other group functions. That's what I'm trying to clarify. My suggestion/request to Mark was about offering add-on storage to basic groups; you need to own a group, and if needed you can purchase extra storage for it. Yes, because it's not resident on the owner's or group members' computer, by semantics it's "cloud" -
I'm clarifying that it's to augment an existing group, not "simply" offering cloud storage to anyone for any purpose.
Nor did I say that I didn't want Mark to do or not do anything - other than hopefully, give consideration to allowing group owners to purchase extra storage for their groups. What Mark wants and can do is purely Mark's decision; is and always will be.
Ginny

Hi Steve - and on a similar vane check this MESSAGE out. And no doubt you can see the relevance to our hobby.

73

Jack

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Thanks Shal and if your on your phone it's in prefs at the bottom of the page.

Steve
There is a setting in your own account preferences to define your own
time zone. But there is no option to set a default time zone for the
whole group and it defaults to Pacific time. I think I asked this
before. Adding this would be a useful feature, certainly for those of
us this side of the pond (who also prefer dates in the D/M/Y
format...).

Dave G3YMC

On 30 Oct 2017 at 23:02, radio_00 wrote:

Hi,
?
Wasn't sure if this was the right place for my question. I joined io.groups this year and am enjoying the groups for
amatuer radio. Is it possible to show the messages with local time? When I post a message the sytem is using a different
time zone to where I am in the uk.
?
Thanks
Steve M0ZEH

Steve,

Wasn't sure if this was the right place for my question.

A perfectly fine place.

Is it possible to show the messages with local time?

The site displays times to you based on the timezone set in your account.

1) Click on your name in the upper right-hand corner.
2) Select "Acccount" from the drop-down menu.
3) In the left column select "Preferences".
4) Adjust the Timezone setting.
5) Click the blue "Update Preferences" button at the bottom.

Shal

I am also puzzled what little enterprise offers for that price....

I have kept out of this discussion as for my group at least for the
moment 1GB is adequate. Though over time we may reach it with email
attachments, if we were to we could just drop the older ones along with
older photos. The ability to directly add members is the only feature
of Premium that would be useful but since invite seems to work fine is
hardly a must. We could afford $10/month if needed. $100/month is
totally unrealistic.

Mark has not commented yet on the @main list.

(and as an aside, is there a problem with our sister group on
Yahoogroups? I sent a post on Saturday which has not yet appeared and I
see there have been no posts since the 27th.)

Dave

On 30 Oct 2017 at 15:03, JMichaelTX wrote:

Are all of the Enterprise features shown here:??Plans And Pricing ( /static/pricing )??

Enterprise plan provides only 3 extra features for 10X the cost of Premium:

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 12:16 pm, JMichaelTX wrote:

Is there a way to search everything in the group/subgroup, not just messages?
This means including, in the same search, all of the sections of the group:? Messages, Calendar, Photos, Files, Databases, and Wiki (especially wiki).

Well, after a bit of distraction, the question remains unanswered.
If I don't get an answer within a few days, I'll go ahead and post the question/request to the beta group.

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 05:24 pm, Ginny T. wrote:

I would like to clarify that my post to beta was not to request that Mark enter the cloud storage business - rather that we, as group owners, had the chance to purchase increments of storage as needed for our groups' needs,

I guess I find that confusing.? On one hand you don't want Mark to enter the "cloud storage business", but on the other hand you want more cloud storage.? Surely it is clear that he can't offer more storage without being in the cloud storage business.???

I for one would not like to mix up this request to Mark with the discussion of whether his current offerings of storage in the three existing levels are competitive or not - that's his choice and I trust that he has made it based on his experience, knowledge and a sound business plan

Well, this discussion here in the GMF, which I started, is about the amount of cloud storage, and the pricing for it.? If you want a different discussion, then please feel free to start one.

Do you, or anyone in this discussion, know Mark personally, or have a direct professional or business relationship with him?? Have you seen his business plan?? Have you seen his financial backing?? If not, I'm not sure what basis there is for a trust that he will do the best thing for his customers.? Even if you have, things can change, and change quickly.?

IMO, it is naive to assume that the vendor providing a product or service has a well-thought-out business plan, and will always offer his product/service at a competitive price.? Most startup businesses fail within the first 5 years;? many much? sooner than that.? Many also hope to just get things going until they can sell out (for a huge? profit) to some big company, like Google, Apple, Microsoft, etc.? Were that to happen, all bets would be off concerning the current services pricing.

Sorry if this offends anyone, and I don't mean to sound calloused, but frankly I? can't be too concerned about Mark personally.? I have to treat groups.io as a business.? As far as I can tell he has started groups.io as a business venture, and it is up to him (and any partners/investors he may have) to provide a service that is competitive and will attract and hold customers, and, ultimately, make a profit.

Even when a business has a great product, great service, fair, competitive pricing, and lots of customers, they can fail unexpectedly (to us).? A great example:? .

Having said that, I'm all for Mark, or anyone, to make a fair profit selling a good product/service.? As a customer, or even a potential customer, I have a right to make known what services, features, storage, and pricing I would like to see.? The business owner can consider (or not) this along with other feedback and research he/she has.

Finally, lest it be misunderstood again, I am NOT asking for a huge amount of storage for nothing.? Also you should know that I have no problems paying for a good service that I use. As an example, I have been a paying customer to?Evernote since its early days, even though the large major (> 200M) of its users use the free plan.? I didn't then, and don't now, know anyone at?Evernote personally.? But I did recognize their service as an unique, outstanding one, that I much valued, so I almost immediately subscribed to their Premium Plan, and have been ever since (> 10 years).? A very similar story with DropBox -- I've been a paying customer for > 7 years.