JMichaelTX,

While the groups.io service is a good one, IMO the storage limits are
way too low, and the pricing way too high.
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Anyone else have this view?

I do.

I ran into a problem moving one of my classmate groups from Yahoo to Groups.io - we had over 4 GB of photo data. Well within Yahoo's 100 GB limit, but too much for the 1 GB limit in a Groups.io free group.

The problem was resolved by rescaling the photos to a lower resolution (one particular folder was full of camera originals an 5000x4000 and 4096x3072 pixels). Still, I would rather not have had to do that.

I'd happily pay something more like $10/year for a boost that matches (even a reasonable markup on) Amazon EC2 storage pricing. But the Premium plan pricing is twelve times that, for a capacity that is little more than double what I wanted to import.

I haven't gotten around to writing that as a proposal on beta@, but IIRC others had run into the storage limits as well.

Shal

Bob,

With 155,000 messages and well over 3000 members, a global search
would simply generate far too large a load of garbage that no one
could possilby use in our group

That seems like an odd assumption.

Yes, it would if one searched for a word or phrase that is too commonly used in your group, but that's what search refinement is all about.

After all, web search engines like Google and Bing index untold billions of pages, yet people routinely get useful search results from them. I doubt Groups.io's search relevance ranking is anywhere near to being in the same sophistication ballpark as the major engines, but then the universe of content (messages + photos + files + ...} in a single group isn't anywhere near to being in the same size ballpark as the entire web.

Shal

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I can't remember if you did this or not, but did you bring this up in the beta discuss group maybe that might be a good idea.?If this does turn out to be a bug the beta group woudl be a good place to discuss this.

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 02:51 pm, Bob Bellizzi wrote:

I find the potential? results of any such search frightening and fear it would be meaningless info

Bob, to coin a phrase, "There is nothing to fear but fear itself".? LOL

Have you ever done a Google search?? Google searches hundreds of millions of records to often find thousands of matches, but presents the best matches on top.? I usually find what I want within the first 3-5 hits.

In this case, it found your foundation, as the top 3 hits:




So a good search engine benefits from more quality sources, like your groups.io wiki, which should be better than the chatter from your 3,000 members.
Nothing to fear my friend, if the search engine is good.

JMichaelTX,

However, I'm very concerned that nothing in the wiki, not even the
title itself, is found by a Google search.

The wiki is set for public viewing. We want the wiki to be a great
resource for JXA, for everyone, not just our members.

GMF's Wiki is public and can be found in Google searches. So it isn't a general problem with Groups.io Wikis. Maybe with subgroup Wikis, I've just created one in a test group to see if it can be found. I haven't yet taken any measures (below) to call it to the attention of the search spiders. I'll let some time elapse first to see if it is found without such prompting.

If you the text you're searching for isn't unique enough there may be a great many pages that rank higher than yours. That is, your wiki might be found, but buried in other results.

To overcome that you could add site:groupname.groups.io to your search string to return only results within your group (primary and subs).

Or...

If the wiki is new the search spiders may not have found it yet. They're unlikely to find it if there are no links to it from other sites. If your group's messages are public, and already indexed, that would be one convenient place to put a link. That's probably how GMF's wiki was found.

I assume Groups.io publishes a sitemap, but I don't know if it includes user-supplied public content (Messages and Wikis, in groups where they are public). If so that would help immensely in having new pages be found by the spiders.

If all else fails you can tell Google's spider where to look:


There are probably similar facilities for other search engines.

Shal

Is it possible to move a subgroup to its own group?
If so, how?

While the groups.io service is a good one, IMO the storage limits are way too low, and the pricing way too high.

Anyone else have this view?
Over time the $/GB have gone down with the other Cloud vendors.
I wonder if we can expect this with groups.io?

At first I loved the features of groups.io, but now as we are really starting to use it, and to develop a wiki, the storage limits, and corresponding pricing, have given me pause.? Storage is obviously very cheap these days, so the groups.io limits/pricing seem inappropriate to me.? I am concerned about getting started with a wiki, and then running out of storage space.

Of course, since we are on the basic/free plan, I can't really complain that much.? I'd be happy now if the free limit was raised to, say, 5-10 GB.

groups.io Pricing:

• Plan? ? ? ? ? ?Price? ? ? ? ? ? ? Storage? ? ?I'd Like to See
• Basic? ? ? ? ?Free? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?1 GB? ? ? ? ? ? ?10 GB
• Premium? ? $10/month? ? 10 GB? ? ? ? ? ?1 TB
• Enterprise? $100/month? 100 GB? ? ? ? ?10 TB

This is way out of line with , , and :

• Company? ? ? ? ? ?Plan? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Price? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Storage
• Google Drive? ? ? Basic? ? ? ? ? ? Free? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?15 GB
• ? ? ? ?"? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Paid 1? ? ? ? ? ?$1.99/mo? ? ? ? 100 GB
• ? ? ? ?"? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Paid 2? ? ? ? ? ?$9.99/mo? ? ? ? 1 TB
• ? ? ? ?"? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Paid 3? ? ? ? ? ?$99.99? ? ? ? ? ? 10 TB
• MS OneDrive? ? ? Basic? ? ? ? ? ? Free? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?5 GB
• ? ? ? "? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Paid 1? ? ? ? ? ?$1.99/mo? ? ? ? 50 GB
• ? ? ? "? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Paid 2? ? ? ? ? ?$6.99/mo? ? ? ? 1 TB + Office 365 Personal Subscription
• ? ? ? "? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Paid 3? ? ? ? ? ?$9.99/mo? ? ? ? 5 TB + Office 365 Home Subscription
• DropBox? ? ? ? ? ? ?Basic? ? ? ? ? ? Free? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?2 GB
• ? ? ? "? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Plus? ? ? ? ? ? ? $9.99/mo? ? ? ? 1 TB
• ? ? ? "? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Pro? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? $19.99/mo? ? ? 1 TB + many features

I find the potential? results of any such search frightening and fear it would be meaningless info
With 155,000 messages and well over 3000 members, a global search would simply generate far too large a load of garbage that no one could possilby use in our group

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Bob Bellizzi

The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation

Hi,? I did quite a bit of searching here, could not find an answer to my question.

Is there a way to search everything in the group/subgroup, not just messages?
This means including, in the same search, all of the sections of the group:? Messages, Calendar, Photos, Files, Databases, and Wiki (especially wiki).

For my subgroup (), we will have important information in both messages and wiki.? While it is nice to have a wiki-only search, we very much need to have a search that covers everything, or at least an option to select which sections should be included.

Thanks.

We have started build a wiki for our subgroup:

?

However, I'm very concerned that nothing in the wiki, not even the title itself, is found by a Google search.

The wiki is set for public viewing.? We want the wiki to be a great resource for JXA, for everyone, not just our members.

So, can this be fixed?? If so, how?

If not, then we may need to reconsider where we want our group, or at least where we want our wiki.

I'm having a problem sorting our database by clicking on the column titles. The only one that works as expected is the ID column. The others give the following error:

template: grouptable.html:262:19: executing "grouptable.html" at <index (index $.Colum...>: error calling index: index out of range: 2

I think all the column sorts worked earlier, but not sure.

Drew

Hi all,

This week's change log:


Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.


* Launched new search!

This is the big one. Long anticipated, and hopefully a lead-in to more search/filter features (my list beta@ #14955). Though Mark may want to take a breather from Search for a while.


* When viewing a database row, there's now a permalink icon/link for the row.

Yay! On the path towards permalinks for all user contributions...


* New hashtag options: Locked, which creates a topic and locks it immediately, and Replies Unmoderated, which for moderated groups, allows all replies to be unmoderated (excepting people who are specifically moderated).

For when you absolutely positively want to have the first and last word, and for when it's "let your hair down" time? Ok, that latter falls under the category "just because I can't imagine a use case for it doesn't mean that one doesn't exist".


Comments about these others are also welcome:

NEW: When viewing an event, there's now a 'Download Event' button which will download an ICS file for just that event.
NEW: Support for +sub and +unsub email commands.
INTERNAL: When importing Yahoo Groups, check for bogus Yahoo email addresses.
BUGFIX: Some reports of ICS files not being parsed correctly. I re-worked how the timezones were specified to hopefully fix the problem.
CHANGE: Pull larger pictures from Facebook pages.
BUGFIX: Subject sort in overall Topics view was not working.
INTERNAL: Re-wrote the Postgres to ES streaming connection to not use Kafka, which was proving to be unreliable.
INTERNAL: Re-wrote a part of the monitoring system for efficiency and to make it easier to maintain.


Please call out any you find significant.

Shal

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Shal,

J,

Just to clarify, in case there is any confusion here: the suggestion was NOT to "make Special Notice replies also Special Notices."?My suggestion was to create a hashtag sub-option, under the the special-notice hashtag option, which would make topics with that hashtag?have replies to it be special notice.?

Right, I oversimplified my statement.

I also see a related feature request: to add the "Send this message as a special notice" checkbox to the Reply composition window - if you're a moderator. And maybe only if the topic is already a special notice, but I'm less sure of that.

Shal

Sarah,

If we all do in different way sor send them to support as well, that
might help.

Feel free to chime in, but it is probably best if the idea can kept to a single topic (thread) in beta@ so that Mark doesn't have to keep track of separate threads.

To me this feels more like a feature request than a bug report, so I wouldn't recommend going to support.

Shal

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 11:35 am, Shal Farley wrote:

unless the feature, recently discussed in beta@, to make Special Notice replies also Special Notices is implemented.

Shal,

Just to clarify, in case there is any confusion here: the suggestion was NOT to "make Special Notice replies also Special Notices."?My suggestion was to create a hashtag sub-option, under the the special-notice hashtag option, which would make topics with that hashtag?have replies to it be special notice.?
?
--
J

Frances,

Should I send your suggestions to the Beta group as a wish list?

Go ahead. I'll put a "like" on it and help answer technical details of any questions that may come up.

Shal

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If ?we all do in different way sor send them to support as well, that might help.

Shal, thank you.
Should I send your suggestions to the Beta group as a wish list? Or will you?
Or any other comments, folks?

Frances

How's Life?

? I request an RSVP for a group meeting, am I missing something that sends an email to the admins when someone RSVP's and/or changes their RSVP?

Have a great day!
Richard