On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 01:39 PM, Rob Robinson wrote:

Why a certain topic was changed to moderated I don't know.

Does it have hashtag(s)?? One of the options for each hashtag is to Moderate after x days.? That happens automatically, usually overnight.

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On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 12:25 PM, Dakotta Alex wrote:

Agreed frances :) the ideal move is to Enterprise after I get these going.? Unfortunately for me, I have run these groups for over 10 years (for free) so limited on budget until I start getting sponsors.

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 6:06 PM Frances <frances@...> wrote:

I have 50 yahoogroups (USA) and 20 (countries) = 70.

Would it be less confusing to make a few main groups?
Perhaps one for USA with subgroups and one for non-USA with subgroups?

Or even a finer breakdown?

Obviously it will cost more if you want / need Groups.io to transfer your groups from Yahoo Groups for you. Transferring to a subgroup is free (but frankly not sure that Mark was thinking of 69 subgroups!).

But I think you would find it less confusing to manage.?

Frances

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well I was talking about Premium not enterprise!

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On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 01:11 PM, Chris Jones wrote:

Assuming for now that none of your main settings has been changed there are two very similar ways in which this might have happened.

1. In Topics view there is a small drop - down arrow just to the right of the date; one of the options available in that drop down is Moderate this Topic.
   
   
2. If the Topic has been opened to read the posts in it then that drop - down disappears, but there is a shaded line under each post with Reply, Like and More (with a "Hamburger symbol beside it) Clicking on More reveals another list of options, one of these is again Moderate this Topic.?

If a topic has been moderated as described above then the option changes to Unmoderate this Topic. Once unmoderated the little set of scales beside the subject disappears.

That took care of the problem. Why a certain topic was changed to moderated I don't know. I do not have anyone else as a moderator at this time to have changed it.
I'll have to keep an eye on that. Thanks for the response.
Rob Robinson

I think part of the confirmation process is also to have the
subscriber confirm that they did indeed ask to join the group. It is
possible for someone else to have entered their address in a sign up
form like the one available on the Promote page. So in my mind the
confirmation is checking to see that the email address is valid and that
the person actually wants to join the list.

Jonathan

Sharon,

Very well worded.? Our group went into a PANIC mode when they had heard of the YG notice a month back.? Much of our membership has no lick of computer understanding whatsoever, but ask them the difference between a live 'PTO' and a clutch driven one and they can easily help you.

I'm very grateful to Groups.io being available for a time like this.? Rather than panic, I took a step forward and offered plan #1 & #2.? Sticking to the plan(s) will result in winning.? Chaos will loose the race as the time crunch gets worse.

There are still YG groups over there who still have not yet heard of the YG going away as we know it today.? I've already alerted 2 groups in the past 24 hours.? On immediately came here and re-established a footing here.?

The history of some of the groups is priceless.? I read about the CNC machinist group.? This group helps keep down manufacturing costs for finished goods.? The last thing we need is price increases in the stores.? Likewise, many in my group are into homestead organic farming from field to your dinner plate.? It has economic impact with the YG going dark.?

BMaverick

Greta,

Have you started blocking all cookies on your web browser? Groups.io sets a cookie when you log in, which is then used to avoid logging in for subsequent pages. If *all* cookies are blocked rather than just 3rd-party, this can cause the problem you're seeing.

Also try just exiting and restarting the browser; bit of a cliche but sometimes...

Regards

Derek

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 01:10 PM, Herb Gellis wrote:

And then the Premium extra bit to "confirm an email/account that's new to GIO"... if someone creates a new GIO account, then we could confirm someone trying to subscribe with that rather than by email? I've not seen this in action so I can't quite picture it ;-) I'm imagining the new GIO account person would then search the list of GIO groups, select my group, and ask to be a member on their GIO home page. So, without being a Premium account we couldn't accept such requests?

If someone is totally new to the site and has not yet created an account, an attempt will be made by the site to create one for them.? Part of this procedure is for them to reply to an email sent to them, thus confirming a good email address.? If they've attempted to join your group (at the same time or later), you'll see a pinkish NC next to their email address on your member list.? On a Premium group, you can confirm that address instead of them replying to the email they received.? Some folks make a mistake when entering their email address, others don't read the confirmation email.? If you confirm the address and it's incorrect, it will start bouncing, so be sure it's right before confirming for them if you go that route.

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Yahoo seem a little opaque about what constitutes new content. But as they've indicated, email-only functionality will continue, I think after they shutter the web interface (Dec 14th?). Content seems to mean new groups, files, photos?

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That doesn't seem exceptional. Yahoo is continuing to operate as an email reflector, as they said.
Conversations are not "content" like photos or files.

Are the latest messages available on the group web site? Yahoo's intent on the web interface is unclear.
My groups are locked down so no posting, hence I can't tell.

-John

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Hey fellow group managers,

I manage one group and am a member of two others. Today I am unable to log in, whether through the groups.io homepage or on the page of the group I manage or on the pages of the groups of which I am a regular member.

I do *not* get any error message after submitting my email address and password on the login page; it simply takes me to the groups.io home page or the homepage of the group, but I'm still not logged in. There is still a "Log In" icon at the top right of the screen, and the menu bar on the right is missing the usual options that appear when I am logged in (such as being able to view a list of my groups, manage my group and see its member list, etc)

I don't log in very often, so don't know if this is just a temporary glitch or has been going on a while. Anybody know anything?

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 05:56 PM, I wrote:

If a setting has changed...

Here is another possibility for you. Using the web UI for your group go to Topics view. Now look at the Subject Line; is there a little set of scales showing to the immediate left of the subject? If there is, that little set of scales indicates that the topic has been set to moderated.

Assuming for now that none of your main settings has been changed there are two very similar ways in which this might have happened.

1. In Topics view there is a small drop - down arrow just to the right of the date; one of the options available in that drop down is Moderate this Topic.
   
   
2. If the Topic has been opened to read the posts in it then that drop - down disappears, but there is a shaded line under each post with Reply, Like and More (with a "Hamburger symbol beside it) Clicking on More reveals another list of options, one of these is again Moderate this Topic.?

If a topic has been moderated as described above then the option changes to Unmoderate this Topic. Once unmoderated the little set of scales beside the subject disappears.

OK; this might not be the problem but at least you'll know that this capability is there if it is ever required.

Chris

Dan,

Our owner has been AOL since 2005.? Some believe he did die.? We have no ability to prove otherwise.

Also, our only standing moderator on YG has little more than the average user for permissions.? He can not even replace himself as a moderator and make a new person that role.

Short of the story, We opted for the PGOffline software.? Exported all the messages into a pipe character format CSV file.? Cleaned out the SPMA, yahoo & AOL ads and all the porn messages for the message database.
Lastly, we saved the archive in Excel's extended spread sheet format .xlsx, OpenOffice format? ods, HTML format and the raw CSV format because users are global and the world is not all into MicroSoft products.
We find the spreadsheet format works BEST for searching for works, subject line and members.? Also one can filter their searches in the columns too.? This is way better than migrating over the messages and poking around.

We have 4 groups coming across.? Mainly the CUT tractors that folks use on homesteads, farms and the like.? The food on your plate has a good chance of being from one of our members!? Especially if it's organic.? We have to save our history because without it, prices in farm Ag can rise sharply due to inability to repair the tractors.? We have now engaged a 5th group of CUT tractors off of YG as well by another brand of CUT tractor to make the hop here too.? With the closing of YG as we know it today, it has put a good deal of stress on all kinds of folks globally.? The John Deere CUT group moved ahead of us.? We are the 2nd largest group to follow and the 4th largest group just was alerted about the YG closing last night.? Shame on Yahoo not send folks a notice.? That banner above the groups can only be seen If you login to see it!

It is a mad dash to get all of this done prior to the 29th of this month.? There is lots of uncertainty how thing will work from December 1st to midnight on Friday the 13th of December when the YG goes dark.?

Bret

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 08:45 AM, Duane wrote:

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 09:31 AM, J Forster wrote:

In each case, the orphan photos on Yahoo were attributed to the co-owner, not me, after the transfer.

I suspect that it's the last one to join the group.? Take a look at Admin > Members, Moderators.? The names listed there default to the reverse order that they joined the group, so the most recent is at the top.? Most groups haven't run into this because they only had one owner when the transfer was done.

Duane

J & Duane,
Duane's suspicion sounds likely.? I experienced the same results as J reports, after my transfer 2 yrs ago, with orphan photos and files being attributed to my co-owner whom I had added and promoted before the transfer from Yahoo was initiated.? I had thought that unusual as well, assuming they would be attributed to me as the original G.io owner and "transferrer".? It didn't create a problem, as I could correct the attributions if I wanted to, but I did question the logic. :)

Coincidentally, these orphaned items included many originally owned by me (albeit under a different email address I was using in the Yahoo Group, and which was not subscribed to the new G.io.)? This observation prompted me to change by Yahoo Group email address to the same one I use on Groups.io before initiating the recent transfer of another group to G.io.? With the second transfer, my photos and files retained the correct attribution to me.? Lesson learned!

Dotty Bell

Ok, 1st part clear. 2nd part... not sure.

By normal email channel, do you mean using the [email protected] method of subscribing?

And then the Premium extra bit to "confirm an email/account that's new to GIO"... if someone creates a new GIO account, then we could confirm someone trying to subscribe with that rather than by email? I've not seen this in action so I can't quite picture it ;-) I'm imagining the new GIO account person would then search the list of GIO groups, select my group, and ask to be a member on their GIO home page. So, without being a Premium account we couldn't accept such requests?

Their banner message states "New content can no longer be uploaded after October 28, 2019."

But the Conversations view on the web continues to update. This is a surprising and pleasing finding. The timestamps on the six most-recent messages are:
13 hours ago
3 days ago
4 days ago
4 days ago
4 days ago
5 days ago

It's taking a bit of time to migrate over as I work through the issues of dealing with attachments because of the short-sighted view of Groups.io on handling them. Fortunately, the Yahoo group continues to serve us.

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 11:55 AM, Herb Gellis wrote:

"Edit emails and confirm members" starts only at the Premium level.

That just means that a group has to be Premium before a moderator/owner can change someone's email address for them.? The second part means that you can confirm an email/account that's new to GIO instead of having the member use the normal email channel.? All basic functions are included in a Basic group.

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On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 05:39 PM, Rob Robinson wrote:

Anyone have any idea on what is going on?

Another wild guess... do you have another moderator who might have gone and changed a setting? Have you gone back into your settings to see if everything is still how you intended it to be?

If a setting has changed have a look in Admin > Activity to find out who might have changed it and when.

Chris

I've looked around and couldn't find the answer to this. The groups.io feature-list by plan level indicates that "Edit emails and confirm members" starts only at the Premium level. Does this mean that Basic plans are open to the public, and that only Premium levels can moderate whether a member can subscribe? I hope this isn't so and is just a wording issue. Since we had to join at the Premium level to do the YG transfer I can't really tell if we would lose this ability if we eventually switched to Basic.

-Herb Gellis

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 11:39 AM, Rob Robinson wrote:

Within the last several days, something has changed (not on my part), where I am now getting via email
requests for approving messages by members who are already subscribers.

One wild guess - They're replying to a message that has a hashtag with the Moderated box checked.

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Set up and transferred group from Yahoo threeweeks ago. No problem and everything running smoothly!
Since it is a restricted group (approval needed to join), I allow postings without moderation.
Within the last several days, something has changed (not on my part), where I am now getting via email
requests for approving messages by members who are already subscribers.
Anyone have any idea on what is going on? Am I missing something?

Rob Robinson