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On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 09:08 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:

I'm busy migrating a Yahoogroup manually, and among the lists on Yahoogroups is a list of banned e-mail addresses. Is there a way to add these banned addresses to a ban list on the IO group so that either (a) we don't accidentally add them or (b) we get a notification whenever any of them try to join?

Samuel -- Sure. See?/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/45196276#22712

Bruce

Hello

I'm busy migrating a Yahoogroup manually, and among the lists on Yahoogroups is a list of banned e-mail addresses. Is there a way to add these banned addresses to a ban list on the IO group so that either (a) we don't accidentally add them or (b) we get a notification whenever any of them try to join?

Thanks
Samuel

I'm fairly new here and can't contribute much but I do appreciate the GMF resource and the time - and extensive knowledge - you mods are putting in to it. Thank you. I have learnt a lot .. it has given me a few laughs as well :-)
Groupsio is wonderful ..

On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 10:21 AM, JerryW wrote:

sooo many Yahoo groups have suffered from having no contactable owner

Indeed it is a balancing act. Just make sure that your appointee(s) as co - owner(s) is/are totally trustworthy and will not abuse the capabilities that you have placed in their hands.

Chris

Fabien,

i am using the email address that is associated with my account, which
could be the problem.

You wouldn't have guessed it, but because you're using Gmail that is indeed the problem.

Short answer: use some other address to send your test message.

Longer answer:

What you're experiencing is one of my primary complaints with Gmail: it hides from you your own messages that return from somewhere else. It sees that you already have that message in your account, and decides you don't need to see a copy in your Inbox.

For group postings Groups.io implements a work-around. For Gmail users it modifies the Message-ID field in the message header sent back to yourself. That causes Gmail not to recognize it as the same message and so the message displays in your Inbox.

Arguably Groups.io should do that for +owner messages as well, but it doesn't.

Shal


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On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 10:09 AM, Fabien wrote:

I did as you explained, and still nothing

Emails to +owner are a "logged" activity, so I suggest you go to your groups's web UI, then Admin > Activity and see what (if anything) is recorded there.

Chris

.. but remember, if nobody but you has "set moderator privileges," the group is then totally dependent on you, and sooo many Yahoo groups have suffered from having no contactable owner

On 09 Nov 2019 18:43, Tom Field wrote:

A lot of that e-mail bounced as undeliverable. I don't recall any data in our Yahoo group flagging members' email addresses as undeliverable.

My experience with this has been similar to what has been said elsewhere in this thread: many e-mail addresses that Yahoogroups did not flag as undeliverable turned out to be undeliverable. In my case, I had a small enough list of members that I was able to use my own ISP to send them all an e-mail beforehand, and many of the onces that Yahoogroups did not flag as undeliverable, bounced (many some bounced hard).

Samuel

Hello Shal,
Thank you so much for your help. I did as you explained, and still nothing. I have my subscription set to all emails, and the group owners email to receive all emails. I also clicked on the email address for the group owner email, and sent a test email. Nothing happened. i am using the email address that is associated with my account, which could be the problem. Although I’m not sure. better explained, its sending to the email address that is associated with my account, and the email address, from recipient, is the address associated with my account.
Fabien

Fabien,

I noticed there is an email that is associated with every group, that
starts with, groupowner@ and then the group name.

Close. It is:

[email protected] for groups without subgroups, and
[email protected] for groups with subgroups.
(where "subgroup" includes the name given to the primary group, if it has been changed from "main").

If someone sends an email to the group owner email, how does the group
owner know if that happens?

The message is forwarded to the group's owner(s) and moderator(s) in accordance with each of their Owner Email subscription setting.

I just sent a test email, and I didn’t receive it.

You may have sent it to the wrong address (see above). Safest to copy/paste the address from the group's home page (down near the bottom).

Or, your Owner Email option may not be set to receive owner emails, or not from non-member addresses. Scroll down to near the bottom of your Subscription page to check it. I generally recommend that at least one owner/mod in each group have their Owner Email set to receive All Emails.

The same thing goes with the help email.

That doesn't forward anywhere, instead an auto-responder sends back info about the group.

Shal
That's S, h, a, l.
(not to be confused with Secure Hash Algorithm 1)


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hello,
I noticed there is an email that is associated with every group, that starts with, groupowner@ and then the group name. If someone sends an email to the group owner email, how does the group owner know if that happens? I just sent a test email, and I didn’t receive it. The same thing goes with the help email. Hopefully I making sense.
Thanks,
Fabien P.S. just a friendly kindly heads up, my name is spelled, F, a, b, i, e, n.

You can change the name but do it carefully. Quite a few places to change, I remember. See
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Renaming-a-Group

If you haven’t moved your group yet, you should be able to name your Groups.io fairly easily. Easier to market to members perhaps.?
The YahooGroup name and Groups.io name don’t have to be the same at all.?

Frances

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My group has changed and I need to have a more up to date name.? It is possible to change the name or do I delete the group and start over?

Rick,

Sure, I get that function. But I just transferred a fully functioning
list.

Any subscription copied over should have retained its posting privilege from the Yahoo Group. They won't be affected by the Spam Control settings.

Yahoo Groups have no equivalent to Groups.io's NuM privilege, so we can't be talking about such members. Is your concern with others who joined independently?

The only option is to have to manually reapprove 1000s of people?

No, any subscription copied over from your Yahoo Group is copied in as a member - they would not need any approval to join regardless of the Restricted Membership checkbox.

This is a transfer question. For those users migrated from Yahoo, I
shouldn't have to go re-approve them manually.

You don't.

It doesn't minimize my effort, it creates a lot of NEW effort.

Only for the first message from someone who joins your group. Not for anyone brought in by transfer.

Great, so what you're saying is the workaround is lousy, and doesn't
work really well.

I'm not saying that because I haven't tried it.

I can semi-bulk approve everyone to not be moderated (100 at a time).

I recommend choosing the "Use Group Moderation Setting" for the members, then in the Group's Settings page leave the Moderated box unchecked.

That will give you the future flexibility to change the entire group to Moderated, temporarily, in the event of a flame war or other disruption.

Shal


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Hi all,

This week's change log:


Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.

INTERNAL: Several database optimizations to speed group imports.

Normally items marked "internal" don't merit much discussion, but this one certainly had effects that were noticed and commented upon!


Comments about these others are also welcome:

INTERNAL: Completed webhook server.
API: Added /getmemberdirectory endpoint.
API: Added sticky_wiki_page_id field to the group object.
API: Added new id parameter to /getwikiset endpoint.
API: Added new Types section to the docs. Currently only lists the
action enum.
API: Changed all view_* permissions to be *_visible, to be consistent.
API: Added msg_num, subject, extra, extra2, extra_id fields to
webhook_event objects.

Please call out any you find significant.

Shal


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James,

If someone is the owner of a group with a Yearly Premium membership,
is it possible to create a subgroup and then IMPORT/UPLOAD messages
saved from an old Yahoo Group?

As others have answered, no, that feature isn't available.

If that's not possible, I suppose the best we can do in that case is
to convert the odd ball file type Yahoo gives out into a readable PDF
File, which can be uploaded to the files section.

The naming convention Yahoo used is inconvenient but mbox is a pretty common format (I'm not sure which you were calling oddball, "type" could refer either).

Another option, which you can do in addition to any others, is upload the .zip of mbox file(s) Yahoo gave you for that group as a file in that Groups.io subgroup. You can then tell members that they can use a file viewer or email program to read the messages.

I haven't tried Thunderbird yet, but a member of another group reported that its "ImportExportTools NG" add-on failed on these files. That person recommended File Viewer Plus ($40) which was able to read them.


Shal


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Thanks for the feedback.
Couple of comments:
a. yes it's a video pertaining to an event of our group; filmed by one of our members
b. Bob says "videos are not supported " (?) Well...yes they are, we have several other videos of our group events in the io group already. Only this particular one has caused this particular problem and it may be due its size (?)
Thanks again for the support.
Fernando

J Forster,

... can the owner request that groups.io transfer another group into
the main group as a subgroup ...

Just to be clear on the terminology: you would set up a transfer from a Yahoo Group into the subgroup. You have to create the subgroup before setting up the transfer, just as you had to set up the primary group before any transfers into it.

If a main Group is made premium ...

Specifically, upgraded to the Premium Yearly plan. Not the one-month or monthly plans.

... can the owner request that groups.io transfer another group into
... a subgroup for free?

Yes. Regardless of whether there had been a transfer into the primary group.

Shal


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I spent a while creating a Welcome letter for the upcoming transfer. It's a little long, but covers a few of the contingencies and questions I'm expecting.

You're welcome to use it as a template and make mods to fix your group.

E-mail me offline and I'll send you the Word doc.

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I have a number of groups projected to complete within the next few days and want to create/edit the appropriate notices to be issued. What, exactly, will be sent out when?

I understand that a notice will be sent out to all (?) / all active (?) transferred members of the imported Yahoo group upon completion of the transfer.

This implies that members of multiple subgroups will receive multiple transfer completion notices. Correct?

What will be the content of this standard GIO message besides the notice of completion and a link to logon and to set a password? Please post a sample message.

What other messages will be sent out upon transfer completion?
The current group Welcome message?
The current group Guidelines message?

If so will they be sent out simultaneously with the GIO message or delayed?

I am trying to prevent any conflicting message content that could cause confusion in the recipients.


BTW, Access to the management of group notices is very difficult to find; For those looking it is:

Group >> Admin >> Settings >> Member Notices (at the TOP of the page!)

Art




Namaste', Art