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Re: Notice of Pricing Change

 

We're all having sleepless nights for sure!!!

In reading all the posts in this and the beta forum everyone is doing the best they can and it's great to people being so civil despite such a horrible moment in internet history... And how many of us are so busy rescuing the most important stuff that we've barely had a chance to warn everyone else? Hard times! More sleepless nights to come!

I feel so awful for so much that's going to be lost, especially among our elders who have already passed on who's only record of their online writings are going to be in these yahogroups emails... And all the pet and people adoption groups, the genealogy groups... It's like bulldozing a one-of-a-kind library without taking the books out first.

At some point we need online data protection laws so the cost of deleting decades of archives after a merger is way, way more expensive than maintaining them.

I've no doubt that scholars, researchers and historians will be referencing this event for many decades to come!

Be well, Deane
Re: Dual email addresses

 

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 03:15 PM, Deborah Cohen wrote:
in we can send emails from both primary and secondary addresses, but group emails are only delivered to the primary email address. Do I have that right?
Yes, that's exactly right.

Duane
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Re: Detailed Instructions on How to Conduct a Yahoo Transfer

 

re #15- when we make [email protected]?a moderator do we need to set the privileges in any particular way?

thank you for the updated instructions. They are very clear.

Kathleen
Re: Where do I customize the Welcome message?

 

On Oct 22, 2019, at 4:15 PM, Deborah Cohen <debcohen2nd@...> wrote:

On Oct 22 at 12:49 PM, Michael Pavan wrote:

Admin > Settings
Click on "Member Notices" button near the top of the page
Then click on "+New Notice"
Use the "Notice Type" dropdown menu to select the type of notice
Edit message
Make sure the "Active Message" box is checked
Click on "Add Notice" at bottom of the page

Before I read these instructions I just clicked on the default Welcome message and customized it. I didn't add and activate an entirely new Welcome notification. Have I screwed up?
No, you didn't.
You customized a section of the default Welcome message, which is fine.

If you also want you own Welcome message(s) and/or other types of automated messages, follow the instructions above and explore the different "Notice Types".
Re: Delivery of Yahoo Group Messages

 

What I wrote in this case is not appropriate for general use. What I wrote is highly focused on a particular group and its transfer issues. Below is a more general message I've also used on some Groups I've transferred:

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I have completed the transfer of ##### at yahoogroups.com to the new ##### groups.io email reflector and Group website.

All the existing Yahoo Group membership names, messages, photos and files transferred successfully to the new club groups.io Group. You should have received an email from groups.io welcoming you to the new Group address.

To send messages to your club members using the new Group, use this email address:

#####@groups.io

Please add the above address to your email addressbook and delete the old #####@yahoogroups.com entry.

The new Group has a club Group website just as did the old Yahoo Group. Here is the new ##### Group website address:

/g/#####

I recommend you add this web address to your browser bookmarks.

The functionality of the new Group is essentially identical to that of the old, about to vanish, Yahoo Group. You are still allowed to have attachments to your postings, though attached pictures will be resized to no more than ##### x ##### pixels. This is to conserve space on the groups.io server so we don't exceed the free Group service limit of 1GB of storage.

Yahoo membership is no longer required to visit the ##### Group website.

I encourage you to complete registration of yourself at groups.io by entering your email address and selecting a personal password at this website:

/register

Registration is free and this is a secure https website. As a result of the transfer process, you are already registered at groups.io but you have no password saved and cannot access some Group features. Be sure to use the same email address you used for #####@yahoogroups.com.

Yahoo will shortly delete all our pictures and files. But, all these photos and files have already been transferred to the new groups.io club Group website.

Please complete registration at groups.io, look around at the photos and files that transferred and ask if you have questions.
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I sent this message to the members at the old Yahoo Group. With some editing that message may be helpful.

Larry

On 10/22/2019 1:30 PM, Earl Novendstern wrote:
Larry, any chance you can post what u sent to your group?? ?It would be a good starting?point for me and I suspect others. Thanks.
On Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 3:04 PM Larry McDavid <lmcdavid@... <mailto:lmcdavid@...>> wrote:
I posted a message about groups.io <> transfer to a
Yahoo Group about an
hour ago but it has not appeared even on the Yahoo Group website as a
Conversation. Is Yahoo not posting messages or just being flaky?
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Best wishes,
Larry McDavid W6FUB
Anaheim, California? (SE of Los Angeles, near Disneyland)
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Best wishes,

Larry McDavid W6FUB
Anaheim, California (SE of Los Angeles, near Disneyland)
Not Confirmed member (NC) behind member name

 

One member shows NC behind their name. Mi have sent a ¡°confirm email¡± but no change. ?This member¡¯s entry looks all who have accepted and joined?
Re: Notice of Pricing Change

 

Don all that¡¯s true and some have stepped up. But this group has an absentee owner, yahoo cannot be reached to ask them to make me a mod with invite privileges so I had to give up and get a free basic forum into which I will manually import whatever I can and take a considerable hit to my time (which I have little of) to preserve what I can from the yahoo group. I was and am upset that we were not given more time before the fee went up to see what we could do. So I had a mostly sleepless night.?
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Susan B

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On Oct 22, 2019, at 4:15 PM, Don Grass <dgrass1@...> wrote:

I can understand your situation, but I think the real bad guy here is Yahoo. Yahoo has caused all this commotion, and is trying to offer you a way to keep your group. If there was no place to transfer to like you would lose your group anyway, so can I suggest you pass the collection plate around to your membership if you can¡¯t personally afford it, and ask your membership to help you out this time. You would be surprised how many people will offer to chip in, just as I found out last year when I transferred my group.

Don

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Re: "Eligibility to join" pop-up for potential new members

 

On Oct 22, 2019, at 2:55 PM, Susan B <doggiesmail@...> wrote:

Our Yahoo group confirms eligibility to join our group when a potential new member clicks the join button. A message box pops up asking them to write a few sentences on why they want to join.

We are worried that our new group will not have this function when the join button is clicked. If not, how do we assess the eligibility of these potential new members? Due to time constraints for our volunteers, we hope we don¡¯t have to send each an individual request for information, even if that request is just a copy/paste into a new email addressed to the new person.

Is there a workaround for this if no request for eligibility information pops up when the join button is clicked? Is it possible to post a standing message next to the join button telling them they have to email us with their explanation of why they want to join?
Groups.io doesn't have that yet, hopefully someday it will.
This is what I do:


MAKE YOUR GROUP 'Restricted Membership' and use a "Pending Subscription Message"
Admin > Settings > Spam Control
Check the box next to "Restricted Membership"
I also recommend checking the box next to "New Users Moderated"
and use the "Unmoderate After" menu to select "1, 2, 3, or 4 approved messages"
Click on "Update Group" at bottom of page.
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Admin > Settings
Click on "Member Notices"
Click on "+New Notice"
Select "Pending Subscription" from "Notice Type" menu
I change the message "Subject"
from: Your pending membership in the [email protected] group
to: Additional Information Required
Make sure box next to "Active Message" is checked.
Compose your "Pending Subscription" message telling them what you want to approve their membership
I suggest you tell them why and who wants it.
Click "Add Notice"
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This "Pending Subscription Message" (sent to anyone who applies to join) and the "Subscription Approval Needed" notice that is sent to Owner/Moderator will both be sent at the same time, and a 14 day clock before the subscription application is automatically deleted will be started.

The "Pending Subscription Message" will not delay the "Subscription Approval Needed" notice, however an Owner/Moderator can put the 14 day clock on hold by 'Claiming' the application.
Click on "View Pending Member" in the "Subscription Approval Needed" notice email,
or go to the group's website Admin > Members
Select "Pending Members" (in the drop-down Members menu) if not already shown
Click on the row (not the check box) of the Pending Member
Click on "Claim Sub" at bottom of the page
The words "Claimed by <your name>" will appear in a blue box to the right of the applicant's email address
Now the 14 day clock has been stopped and only you can approve this Subscription by email.
NOTE: All Owners and any Moderator (with appropriate privileges) can still approve this Subscription at anytime at the website.
This allows you to wait until you get a reply to the "Pending Subscription Message".

To resend the "Pending Subscription Message" (if you get no response):
Check the box at the left end of that Pending Member's row
Select "Resend Pending Membership Notice" in the drop-down "Actions" menu
Click "Yes" in the "Verify Action" dialog window.
Re: Display names vs User names #displayname

 

I've always considered a USER NAME is what you use LOG INTO a service,? a DISPLAY NAME is what shows on your email, or other visible name

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Re: "Eligibility to join" pop-up for potential new members

 

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Rich, our group only accepts for membership whose own specific needs align with the help we can provide for them. We don¡¯t accept, for instance, people asking for help for someone they know. We also want their personal concerns to be private from outside eyes. Messages are moderated to be sure they are on target and also to prevent snarky replies from appearing. We sometimes have to communicate with a member to explain why we can¡¯t put a message through. We almost never edit a message but do ask members once in a while to rewrite to clarify what they¡¯re talking about.?
It is a lot more work but it also pays off for the membership to feel safe and to get well targeted answers.?

I don¡¯t know what auto moderated means.?

Susan B?

On Oct 22, 2019, at 3:42 PM, rich hurd <rah1420@...> wrote:

Do you just not want spammers? ? Or is your group hosting content that you would rather keep private?

For my part, I just leave them moderated until they post their first message, which is generally an on-topic message if they are ¡°genuine.¡± ? I like the auto-moderation in GIO better than manually doing it.? Going to love it here. If my group ever gets transferred.? LOL ?

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 15:04 Frances <frances@...> wrote:
You can create a notice that requires members to give you some information.

See

/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Member-Notices

and more:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Screening-New-Members-Using-the-Pending-Subscription-Notice

Lots more in the wiki!
GroupManagersForum

Frances
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Re: Notice of Pricing Change

 

Considering what you get and considering it for me costs that much to run a server, 2 of them actually, plus cloud space on other stuff 200 dollars for a year is not bad. It costs to run these things guys, there never will be anything such as a free lunch, someone behind the seens is paying.

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On 22 Oct 2019, at 13:06, Rob Halligan wrote:

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RE how to handle the charging policy change. I got it! I'll say something like. "Well it didn't turn out to be free. They got me for $200 a year. Consider buying me a beer next time you see me across the pub."
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Re: No mail "members" bouncing

 

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 09:14 PM, Mike Murray - Clocksmiths Co-Owner wrote:
Will I get bouncing notices about folks set to "no mail"?
No, for the simple reason that no mail will be sent to them, so there is nothing to bounce.

It does make weeding out "dead" emails that much harder; as a first step you will have to go through your membership list to find out who has and who has not posted recently, for some indeterminate value of "recently". Even then the only valid conclusion is that they haven't posted of late.

Chris
Re: Message (re-)numbering #messages #transfer

 

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 11:19 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

Point is, the g.io search tool seems deficient.
That statement strikes me as a little harsh. Let's just say it isn't suitable for this particular application.
Not harsh at all, Bruce. It's an observation that the text search engine does not treat the forward slash character as a literal and, as a result, gives unwanted results. What other characters are special? And it missed most of the instances found by the other text search tools I tried - nothing fancy, no regexp. That's why it's accurate to say it is deficient when compared to typical text search engines.
Re: Bounced because of SPAM #bouncedemails #spam

 

I wonder if systems like senderbase would raise the flag because of the
number of dead accounts that were in the Yahoo system all bouncing when
groups.io tries to send the welcome message? Since many (older) spambots
used massive lists, that have much out of date, they might think the work of
those messages would look very similar.

-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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#transfer Add members, then transfer messages? #transfer

EFA Groups Admin
 

Given the likely lag at this point between our transfer from Yahoo taking effect and Yahoo stopping saving messages that are exchanged, what are the pros and cons of adding our Yahoo members to our groups.io group, then doing a transfer without the members from Yahoo??

Also, does "group content" in this post by Bruce Bowman include messages?
. . . . ownership of all the group content (files, photos, etc) will be reassigned to you (the owner). Generally it's a much better idea to transfer the group as is and perform any necessary maintenance afterward.
I realize our members would have to set up their settings in groups.io if we invite them, versus having the settings brought over if we transfer them. That's a factor, but we also don't want to lose discussion for an extended period.

Susannah
Re: Delivery of Yahoo Group Messages

 

Larry, any chance you can post what u sent to your group?? ?It would be a good starting?point for me and I suspect others. Thanks.?


On Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 3:04 PM Larry McDavid <lmcdavid@...> wrote:
I posted a message about transfer to a Yahoo Group about an
hour ago but it has not appeared even on the Yahoo Group website as a
Conversation. Is Yahoo not posting messages or just being flaky?

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Best wishes,

Larry McDavid W6FUB
Anaheim, California? (SE of Los Angeles, near Disneyland)
Re: Notice of Pricing Change

 

I can understand your situation, but I think the real bad guy here is Yahoo. Yahoo has caused all this commotion, and Groups.io is trying to offer you a way to keep your group. If there was no place to transfer to like Groups.io you would lose your group anyway, so can I suggest you pass the collection plate around to your membership if you can¡¯t personally afford it, and ask your membership to help you out this time. You would be surprised how many people will offer to chip in, just as I found out last year when I transferred my group.

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Don

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Susan B
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 8:01 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [GMF] GMF] Notice of Pricing Change

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Why are they literally springing this overnight fee change on people. They surely knew before this afternoon. I am helping a group with an absentee owner and have to ask Yahoo to make one of us a moderator so we can issue an invite! There is NO time to get that done! We are going to lose our group over this, I¡¯m afraid. Several people offered to donate toward the $110 but we haven¡¯t done anything toward collecting the donations because we wanted to give the owner a chance to respond. If I pay the $110 myself just to get it done, I will lose that money if we can¡¯t send an invite to the transfer agent.

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Re: Where do I customize the Welcome message?

 

On Oct 22 at 12:49 PM, Michael Pavan wrote:

Admin > Settings
Click on "Member Notices" button near the top of the page
Then click on "+New Notice"
Use the "Notice Type" dropdown menu to select the type of notice
Edit message
Make sure the "Active Message" box is checked
Click on "Add Notice" at bottom of the page

Before I read these instructions I just clicked on the default Welcome message and customized it. I didn't add and activate an entirely new Welcome notification. Have I screwed up?
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deborah

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Re: Message (re-)numbering #messages #transfer

 

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 11:17 AM, Tom H wrote:
My PBO d/l preceded the transfer by a few days and doing a manual binary search I can say that the NewID corresponds with that of g.io up to something between 1225 and 2500, above which there is a discrepancy of just 1. I'll have to redo a d/l and hope that nobody has been deleting stuff in the meantime.
I redid the PBO d/l and that 1-off discrepancy persisted. Narrowed it down to groups.io failing to import a message that it did not report as a failure. It was #1990 in plain text. So I had to revise my query of the PBO exported database to skip over that record:
SELECT id+1-(SELECT MIN(id) FROM group_message) AS Gio_ID, number AS YG_ID?
FROM group_message WHERE number<1990
UNION?
SELECT id-(SELECT MIN(id) FROM group_message) AS NewID, number AS OldID?
FROM group_message WHERE number>1990
;
So it's not only deletions on the YG occurring between the PBO and Gio transfer but also missed messages by one or the other. It can be very labour intensive finding the discrepancies. I really wish Gio had the option to preserve YG message numbers when importing to an empty database or to allow them to be offset by some user defined value that assured the resulting numbers did not clash with any already in the Gio archive.

Tom
Re: Dual email addresses

 


On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 12:00:01 CD, Frances said:

Members can have an alias to send emails from. There is no email received at the other secondary address.

So, unlike Yahoo, in we can send emails from both primary and secondary addresses, but group emails are only delivered to the primary email address. Do I have that right?

deborah

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