Re: Transferring a YahooGroup of 14,500 members

#1919

J is correct here. Messages will not be deleted. In fact, while my archives were being transferred, some members posted new messages, and those fell into the number order of messages being transferred. If I sort by message number instead of by date, there are recent messages that are many years out of place in the numbering because of that. But no messages were lost.

Dano

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Is it really true that 'any messages posted to the io group will be
erased' in this situation? I was not aware of that and I don't think
that's correct.

J

Yes, you can ask to transfer the member list only. But every
member will get a message about the transfer. If you later ask
for Messages to be transferred, any messages posted to the
.io group will be erased. Put the .io group on "only moderators
can post" before you ask to transfer Members.

Re: Transferring a YahooGroup of 14,500 members

#1918

When I transferred my group, messages on the new group were retained. What was lost was the chronological ordering by message number. So the messages by number started with the new messages on the new group, followed by the messages on the Yahoo group in chronological order, followed later by messages on the new group received after the transfer.

Has this changed?

Re: Transferring a YahooGroup of 14,500 members

#1917

Hi Lena and all,

I think a better approach would be to transfer everything and then transfer the last few messages in a batch. I raised a suggestion to that effect on the beta group, but I haven't heard back yet.

This may be an academic point, since the Yahoo!Groups product does not appear in the updated list of brands on the Oath website.

David.

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On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 03:43 am, Lena wrote:

Yes, you can ask to transfer the member list only. But every member will get a message about the transfer. If you later ask for Messages to be transferred, any messages posted to the .io group will be erased. Put the .io group on "only moderators can post" before you ask to transfer Members.

And keep email notifications of new members to the yahooGroup after the member list transfer. You'll have to invite them to the .io group, they'll have to accept invitation (with a click or a reply). Or you can pay .io $10 for one month in order to be able to add them (moderators of free groups cannot add members).

Re: Yahoo groups

#1916

Am considering changing from Yahoo groups to Facebook
assuming it encompasses all that Yahoo offers (having
trouble with "files").  Any advice?
Facebook has a huge problem in that you can't go back and find anything. It's not designed for the retention of information. It's designed to be a short-term social media that just comes and is gone.

Groups saves your messages in an archive and has separate places to save files and photos. Information from the past can be recalled relatively easily.

If what you're talking about is transitory in nature and meaningless after a week, FB will work for you. If you need a repository of ideas and information, it's a poor choice. I'm curious what doesn't work for your group on groups.io?

YMMV

Dano

Re: Transferring a YahooGroup of 14,500 members

J_Catlady

#1915

Is it really true that 'any messages posted to the io group will be erased' in this situation? I was not aware of that and I don't think that's correct.

J

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On Jun 20, 2017, at 12:03 AM, Lena <Lena@...> wrote:

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 01:16 pm, Ruth Levi wrote:

Obviously the Verizon/Yahoo deal has now scared me into action. I have
secured my groups name in IO. I want to secure all of the member email
addresses from YahooGroups BUT not yet go live with the IO group. Is this
possible?Yes, you can ask to transfer the member list only. But every member will get a message about the transfer. If you later ask for Messages to be transferred, any messages posted to the .io group will be erased. Put the .io group on "only moderators can post" before you ask to transfer Members.

And keep email notifications of new members to the yahooGroup after the member list transfer. You'll have to invite them to the .io group, they'll have to accept invitation (with a click or a reply). Or you can pay .io $10 for one month in order to be able to add them (moderators of free groups cannot add members).

Re: Transferring a YahooGroup of 14,500 members

#1914

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 01:16 pm, Ruth Levi wrote:

Obviously the Verizon/Yahoo deal has now scared me into action. I have
secured my groups name in IO. I want to secure all of the member email
addresses from YahooGroups BUT not yet go live with the IO group. Is this
possible?Yes, you can ask to transfer the member list only. But every member will get a message about the transfer. If you later ask for Messages to be transferred, any messages posted to the .io group will be erased. Put the .io group on "only moderators can post" before you ask to transfer Members.

And keep email notifications of new members to the yahooGroup after the member list transfer. You'll have to invite them to the .io group, they'll have to accept invitation (with a click or a reply). Or you can pay .io $10 for one month in order to be able to add them (moderators of free groups cannot add members).

Yahoo groups

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#1913

Am considering changing from Yahoo groups to Facebook assuming it encompasses all that Yahoo offers (having trouble with "files"). ?Any advice?

Also anyone know anything about ?new Yahoo corporate structure? ?Improving/groups?

Transferring a YahooGroup of 14,500 members

#1912

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Obviously the Verizon/Yahoo deal has now scared me into action. I have secured my groups name in IO. I want to secure all of the member email addresses from YahooGroups BUT not yet go live with the IO group. Is this possible?

?

Thanks in advance for your help & any great advice that you can offer,

?

Ruthie Levi(a newbie here, but i recognize some of your names from YahooGroups, so I feel at home already!)

Re: can't find log of owner messages to a member - where are they logged?

J_Catlady

#1911

Thanks, Duane. I hope it's very high on the list. :)
J

Re: can't find log of owner messages to a member - where are they logged?

#1910

They're not logged, only sent to you if you use Bcc:  It's been discussed in several threads on beta@ and is on the TODO list.  It will probably come as part of the Notifications Overhaul, but may be split off from that.

Duane

can't find log of owner messages to a member - where are they logged?

J_Catlady

#1909

Does anyone know where a "send message" owner message to a group member is logged? A couple of them I sent yesterday are not in "owner messages," they're not in the group message activity or moderator activity logs, not in the members' email delivery history or activity history logs, or anywhere else I can think of. To find them, I had to resort to checking my email, since I'd bcc'd myself.?

If they're not logged anywhere that anybody here is aware of, I'll report it as a suggestion to support or beta.

J

Re: Transfer of files Qu from yahoo

#1908

Noel,

Our group is public, in that anyone can join and read messages.I meant public in the stricter sense that anyone can read the messages, without joining. I don't know whether the DMCA (or a lawyer arguing about it) considers those effectively the same. Which is what I mean by having a field day with it.

But he also objected to transferring messages from other people that
included his messages as quotes.In Groups.io there is an option not available in Yahoo Groups: the posted messages can be edited to remove the quoted material. But beyond a handful of messages that would be even more impractical than message deletion, without some form of automation.

Longstanding tradition in Yahoo Groups is that he's out of luck on that claim. But IANAL nor would I wouldn't presume to guess how Groups.io might handle it should a take-down be filed.

Another good reason for inline quoting, trimmed to relevant parts. That probably puts the quotes squarely in "fair use" territory (IANAL again).

Shal

Re: Transfer of files Qu from yahoo

#1907

Noel . . .

On Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:09:55 +0100, "Noel Leaver"
<n.leaver@...> wrote:



We have over 150,000 messages so it would have needed at least a way to
delete all messages from a particular user. But he also objected to
transferring messages from other people that included his messages as
quotes.
I wonder what he will think when you shut down the Yahoo group (turn
off posting for regular members)? Will you lose him or will he migrate
to the new group? Just thinking out loud. 

Donald

The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who 
speak it.  --George Orwell

Re: Control over Photo section

#1906

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 12:32 am, Shal Farley wrote:

I don't think it is so much a bug as something that hasn't been done. It is on the to-do list:

?Our group also would love to be able to monitor what certain members upload. Most members get that we are paying for space but others upload far too many useless (to us) photos. We get around that in most our groups and sub-groups by making all but one photo section moderator upload only. ?This gets very time consuming in one of our groups but where it is member upload, we have a few members who are "out of control". ?One member has almost 200 photos and the mod who would know for sure what pics are useless just has not the time to remove and re-remove the photos.

--
-LeeAnne

?Archivist

Re: Transfer of files Qu from yahoo

#1905

Too, if your group's messages are not public I'm not sure that DMCA evenapplies; but that's a subtlety where a lawyer might have a field day.

Our group is public, in that anyone can join and read messages.

As a matter of courtesy to objecting members I would probably delete theirmessages after the transfer. Or if there's too many of them inquire about a
way to do that in bulk.

We have over 150,000 messages so it would have needed at least a way to
delete all messages from a particular user. But he also objected to
transferring messages from other people that included his messages as
quotes.

Noel

Re: Transfer of files Qu from yahoo

#1904

If you want to move the group, I would suggest calling his bluff by makingthe transfer, perhaps without advance notice, then make the announcement in
the Yahoo group and shut off all posting and make it announcement only right
away.

We have already moved the group without transferring messages etc. 

In practice this may be a good thing as most postings are only of transient
interest or so old they are outdated, 99%+ of messages are of no current
interest and probably several people have the ones that are of interest
stored in their email client and could repost them if the subject came up
again. What is really needed is to extract the content of the useful
postings into Wiki FAQ pages, but that is a lot of work. Similarly when I
looked at what had accumulated in the files and photos section over 18 years
I realised nearly all was junk and it would be a lot of work sorting out
what was not and filing it better.

As on this group, there was much discussion of what the legal position is
and suggestions for what to do, but in practice it just is not worth the
possible hassle and distraction.

Noel

Re: Control over Photo section

#1903

I don't think it is so much a bug as something that hasn't been done. Itis on the to-do list:

While I agree full moderation of loading photos is an enhancement not a bug,
I think that in its absence it the correct behaviour is to prevent moderated
users from loading photos, not to allow it.

For example, consider group that allows anyone to join but moderated the
first post. As it is at the moment anyone can join and upload photos without
the moderators being aware. I would expect that a user on moderation would
not be allowed to make any updates to the group without permission. I'll
post this on the Beta group topic.

Noel

Re: Control over Photo section

#1902

Noel,

A moderated user is allowed to upload photos - surely this is a bug?I don't think it is so much a bug as something that hasn't been done. It is on the to-do list:

Also: 

In Yahoo Groups we had a checkbox to prevent a member from uploading files, but for photos we only got a notification, no ability to moderate or block an individual member from uploading.

The following are some observations and wishes from what I have tried
(perhaps I've missed something).The rest of these I don't see on the to-do list.

Posting in beta@ a well-written description of what you want is likely to be the best way to get it on the to-do list.

Myself I'd like to see a "grand unification" of sorts of photos, files, and possibly wiki-pages such that they have the same capabilities, despite being presented differently. That is, I don't see why the ability to make subfolders (aka nested albums) should be a feature of Files but not Photos. Likewise with cut-and-paste for moving them around.

And the other way too: if we gain the ability to moderate or selectively block the upload of photos, we should have that ability with respect to files also. And wiki pages, perhaps.

Shal

Re: Transfer of files Qu from yahoo

#1901

Donald,

"Where there is great power there is great responsibility . . ."I was thinking of that even as I wrote my message.

The only reason I hesitate is that there were (thankfully few) cases reported in the Yahoo mod groups of a moderator being either confused or spiteful and setting about deleting the group's entire archive.

Maybe there's a way to put some safety guards on such an axe, such as having the deleted messages go into a recoverable state for some period of time, a bit like the Windows' Recycle Bin, and make emptying that bin require a higher level of moderator permission.

Shal

Re: Transfer of files Qu from yahoo

#1900

Hi Shal and Sarah,

There is a minor glitch in that the downloaded messages do not contain their message numbers in an obvious way.

However, in the worst case there is a simple URL that allows someone with the group.io cookies for a moderator to obtain the message source (more precisely a cleansed version of the source), this version (at least for my group's messages) gives the original Yahoo message number. So it should be easy to script it up. A quick and dirty script can be written using wget (or the Mac equivalent) with some simple text processing. I've just tested URL with wget and it works.

I think that only group moderators can view the source of the message.

David.